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Do the electric cars use fossil fuel or windmill electric?????

apc2010, is this a real question?

Electric cars use electricity produced by many ways, including wind power.
The part you are missing is this: Electric cars don't use petrol, that's why these cars don't have a gas tank but a battery bank, get it?

Georgios100

Do they have a substitute for Lead in their batteries yet?

[cyprusgrump]

Do the electric cars use fossil fuel or windmill electric?????

apc2010, is this a real question?

Electric cars use electricity produced by many ways, including wind power.
The part you are missing is this: Electric cars don't use petrol, that's why these cars don't have a gas tank but a battery bank, get it?

Georgios100

Electric cars require a massive amount of batteries which are envromentally harmfull to manufacture, discard or recycle. If you are recharging an electric car with fossil fuel ,mile for mile no better overall

The batteries are a problem, perhaps recycle might be acceptable. If renewable "hydro" was more available then mile for mile would make more sense. Still, conventional cars are made via fossil fuels and burn fossil fuels to move us around. Electric cars "burn" electricity, reducing their footprint and provide cleaner air for us to breath. It's a start. We are beginning to do something about carbon emissions and pollution. We have a long way to go. Electric cars will lead the way to better and "greener" solutions. It's better than nothing.

Georgios100

Electric cars....

Not only do they use Nickel in the batteries which has to be mined and transported half-way around the world to Japan where they are manufactured...

...but they run on fossil fuels. The electricity is generated by burning fossil fuel... all you are doing is moving the pollution from one place to another...

'Renewable energy' like wind will never replace the billions of gallons of crude oil we turn into petrol and diesel to run our vehicles. The only current advantage of electric vehicles is efficiency gained by recharging overnight when there is spare generating capacity and plants would otherwise need to be shut down...

It is a fantasy to suggest that we can do this, an expensive fantasy as is having 30% of Cyprus' generating capacity from wind...

I can look out of my window this morning and see them assembling the second wind generator - why? because it is so calm that they can attach massive blades hanging on the end of a crane. So this is probably a week now when the 30% of our generating capacity you would like to see from wind would produce nothing at all...

Are you suggesting that 30% of the country should close down on wind-less days, hospitals closed, operations cancelled?

[cyprusgrump]

Do the electric cars use fossil fuel or windmill electric?????

apc2010, is this a real question?

Electric cars use electricity produced by many ways, including wind power.
The part you are missing is this: Electric cars don't use petrol, that's why these cars don't have a gas tank but a battery bank, get it?

Georgios100

Do they have a substitute for Lead in their batteries yet?

Nickel... mined in Canada, shipped to Japan to be turned into batteries and then off to the car making plants around the world...

Extremely Green!

[cyprusgrump]

The future propulsion 'fuel' for vehicles will be:

Hybrids > Range Extenders (Electric with a small petrol engine which solely generate elecricity > Fuel Cell (probably hydrogen).

The speed of technology development will determine how quickly these changes come about.

Oh dear Lana... FAIL!

Hydrogen fuel cell vehicles offer excellent range and produce no pollution (except water).

The problem is that while Hydrogen is abundant, you can't 'mine' it like oil... You have to use vast amounts of energy (electricity) to extract it from something else (water).

So, while fuel cell vehicles are seen as a panacea by many, they would only be practical if we had enough electricity to replace all the oil we currently suck out of the ground to use as vehicle fuel...

And the only way to do that would be nuclear.

Which I am in favour of by the way!

[georgios100]

Do the electric cars use fossil fuel or windmill electric?????

apc2010, is this a real question?

Electric cars use electricity produced by many ways, including wind power.
The part you are missing is this: Electric cars don't use petrol, that's why these cars don't have a gas tank but a battery bank, get it?

Georgios100

Electric cars require a massive amount of batteries which are envromentally harmfull to manufacture, discard or recycle. If you are recharging an electric car with fossil fuel ,mile for mile no better overall

The batteries are a problem, perhaps recycle might be acceptable. If renewable "hydro" was more available then mile for mile would make more sense. Still, conventional cars are made via fossil fuels and burn fossil fuels to move us around. Electric cars "burn" electricity, reducing their footprint and provide cleaner air for us to breath. It's a start. We are beginning to do something about carbon emissions and pollution. We have a long way to go. Electric cars will lead the way to better and "greener" solutions. It's better than nothing.

Georgios100

Electric cars....

Not only do they use Nickel in the batteries which has to be mined and transported half-way around the world to Japan where they are manufactured...

...but they run on fossil fuels. The electricity is generated by burning fossil fuel... all you are doing is moving the pollution from one place to another...

'Renewable energy' like wind will never replace the billions of gallons of crude oil we turn into petrol and diesel to run our vehicles. The only current advantage of electric vehicles is efficiency gained by recharging overnight when there is spare generating capacity and plants would otherwise need to be shut down...

It is a fantasy to suggest that we can do this, an expensive fantasy as is having 30% of Cyprus' generating capacity from wind...

Denmark achieved 20% windpower. Population 5.5 million people with heavy industrial sector. Electricity demand 10 times greater than Cyprus.
Still a fantasy?

I can look out of my window this morning and see them assembling the second wind generator - why? because it is so calm that they can attach massive blades hanging on the end of a crane. So this is probably a week now when the 30% of our generating capacity you would like to see from wind would produce nothing at all...

You like to see nuclear stacks from your kitchen window? Not many will agree with, my friend.

Are you suggesting that 30% of the country should close down on wind-less days, hospitals closed, operations cancelled?

30% windpower is the yearly average. While the wind is there, we can harvest it. What is wrong with that? Nearly all the countries in the world are installing wind power. Do you think it's politics? Do you think everyone is stupid?

Georgios100

[cyprusgrump]

Do the electric cars use fossil fuel or windmill electric?????

apc2010, is this a real question?

Electric cars use electricity produced by many ways, including wind power.
The part you are missing is this: Electric cars don't use petrol, that's why these cars don't have a gas tank but a battery bank, get it?

Georgios100

Electric cars require a massive amount of batteries which are envromentally harmfull to manufacture, discard or recycle. If you are recharging an electric car with fossil fuel ,mile for mile no better overall

The batteries are a problem, perhaps recycle might be acceptable. If renewable "hydro" was more available then mile for mile would make more sense. Still, conventional cars are made via fossil fuels and burn fossil fuels to move us around. Electric cars "burn" electricity, reducing their footprint and provide cleaner air for us to breath. It's a start. We are beginning to do something about carbon emissions and pollution. We have a long way to go. Electric cars will lead the way to better and "greener" solutions. It's better than nothing.

Georgios100

Electric cars....

Not only do they use Nickel in the batteries which has to be mined and transported half-way around the world to Japan where they are manufactured...

...but they run on fossil fuels. The electricity is generated by burning fossil fuel... all you are doing is moving the pollution from one place to another...

'Renewable energy' like wind will never replace the billions of gallons of crude oil we turn into petrol and diesel to run our vehicles. The only current advantage of electric vehicles is efficiency gained by recharging overnight when there is spare generating capacity and plants would otherwise need to be shut down...

It is a fantasy to suggest that we can do this, an expensive fantasy as is having 30% of Cyprus' generating capacity from wind...

Denmark achieved 20% windpower. Population 5.5 million people with heavy industrial sector. Electricity demand 10 times greater than Cyprus.
Still a fantasy?

I can look out of my window this morning and see them assembling the second wind generator - why? because it is so calm that they can attach massive blades hanging on the end of a crane. So this is probably a week now when the 30% of our generating capacity you would like to see from wind would produce nothing at all...

You like to see nuclear stacks from your kitchen window? Not many will agree with, my friend.

Are you suggesting that 30% of the country should close down on wind-less days, hospitals closed, operations cancelled?

30% windpower is the yearly average. While the wind is there, we can harvest it. What is wrong with that? Nearly all the countries in the world are installing wind power. Do you think it's politics? Do you think everyone is stupid?

Georgios100

Well yes, they apparently are...

While there is wind we can harvest it... but when the wind stops we have to provide an alternate source of energy.

Paying twice to get a source of electricity is clearly mad.

And think what we could have achieved if we hadn't spent billions on pointless wind farms? We may have solved the fusion problem...

And lastly, referring to your ridiculous scare tactics (typical of eco-fascists), why exactly would the nuclear plant be built outside of my kitchen...? Surely, they'd build it next to existing generating facilities allowing it to use the existing distribution network?

[Jerry]

I'm not sure about electric cars, these http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztFDqcu8oJ4 are still in their infancy but make a lot of sense. Compressed air could also be a cheap means of storing energy created from wind turbines and so make duplication unnecessary.

Insulation is must be the the most cost effective way of reducing energy costs, a friend who bought a very high spec flat in the UK only used his central heating twice the winter before last. The heat from lighting, fridge, TV etc was enough to keep the place warm. I have insulated two bedrooms with 75mm Celotex, the radiators are now permanently off in those rooms.

[cyprusgrump]

I'm not sure about electric cars, these http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztFDqcu8oJ4 are still in their infancy but make a lot of sense. Compressed air could also be a cheap means of storing energy created from wind turbines and so make duplication unnecessary.

Insulation is must be the the most cost effective way of reducing energy costs, a friend who bought a very high spec flat in the UK only used his central heating twice the winter before last. The heat from lighting, fridge, TV etc was enough to keep the place warm. I have insulated two bedrooms with 75mm Celotex, the radiators are now permanently off in those rooms.

I don't believe that compressed air would allow a dense enough energy store to be of practical use... If you've ever felt the weight of a scuba tank which only allows storage up to 200 atmospheres you'd realise that the energy store required to power a real car (as opposed to a lightweight prototype) would be vast...

It is frustrating tho that the admittedly interesting video was ruined by ridiculous claims of zero costs and engines that can re-charge themselves... certain laws of physics have to be overcome first!

I agree with you entirely on insulation and energy conservation though... if the cost of our new 41 part-time windmills had been spent on insulation homes across the country it would have mad a significant difference to the energy used 365 days per year...

[georgios100]

Do the electric cars use fossil fuel or windmill electric?????

apc2010, is this a real question?

Electric cars use electricity produced by many ways, including wind power.
The part you are missing is this: Electric cars don't use petrol, that's why these cars don't have a gas tank but a battery bank, get it?

Georgios100

Electric cars require a massive amount of batteries which are envromentally harmfull to manufacture, discard or recycle. If you are recharging an electric car with fossil fuel ,mile for mile no better overall

The batteries are a problem, perhaps recycle might be acceptable. If renewable "hydro" was more available then mile for mile would make more sense. Still, conventional cars are made via fossil fuels and burn fossil fuels to move us around. Electric cars "burn" electricity, reducing their footprint and provide cleaner air for us to breath. It's a start. We are beginning to do something about carbon emissions and pollution. We have a long way to go. Electric cars will lead the way to better and "greener" solutions. It's better than nothing.

Georgios100

Electric cars....

Not only do they use Nickel in the batteries which has to be mined and transported half-way around the world to Japan where they are manufactured...

...but they run on fossil fuels. The electricity is generated by burning fossil fuel... all you are doing is moving the pollution from one place to another...

'Renewable energy' like wind will never replace the billions of gallons of crude oil we turn into petrol and diesel to run our vehicles. The only current advantage of electric vehicles is efficiency gained by recharging overnight when there is spare generating capacity and plants would otherwise need to be shut down...

It is a fantasy to suggest that we can do this, an expensive fantasy as is having 30% of Cyprus' generating capacity from wind...

Denmark achieved 20% windpower. Population 5.5 million people with heavy industrial sector. Electricity demand 10 times greater than Cyprus.
Still a fantasy?

I can look out of my window this morning and see them assembling the second wind generator - why? because it is so calm that they can attach massive blades hanging on the end of a crane. So this is probably a week now when the 30% of our generating capacity you would like to see from wind would produce nothing at all...

You like to see nuclear stacks from your kitchen window? Not many will agree with, my friend.

Are you suggesting that 30% of the country should close down on wind-less days, hospitals closed, operations cancelled?

30% windpower is the yearly average. While the wind is there, we can harvest it. What is wrong with that? Nearly all the countries in the world are installing wind power. Do you think it's politics? Do you think everyone is stupid?

Georgios100

Well yes, they apparently are...

While there is wind we can harvest it... but when the wind stops we have to provide an alternate source of energy.

Paying twice to get a source of electricity is clearly mad.

And think what we could have achieved if we hadn't spent billions on pointless wind farms? We may have solved the fusion problem...

And lastly, referring to your ridiculous scare tactics (typical of eco-fascists), why exactly would the nuclear plant be built outside of my kitchen...? Surely, they'd build it next to existing generating facilities allowing it to use the existing distribution network?

You are the one that complained about the turbines visible from your window... the scare tactics is your field, but where ever they install the nuclear stacks, the visibility is there.

The fusion reactor is far from reality... I bet oil will run out before any real progress in made. In the meantime, wind is harvested for many years now... more efficient turbines "see" the market more often than before.

The electric car... see link http://gm-volt.com/

Related story.
The Niagara hydro plant produces enormous amounts of electricity via the water falls, totally renewable. Some 50 golf courses in the area recharge all their electric golf carts daily for the last 15 years. Can you imagine how many thousands of gallons petrol is saved? People that live in the area can charge their "Volt" cars from the same renewable source. This is a reality, not fiction. Unlike the negative opinions like yours, other countries already are implementing these new renewable principles on every day life. Maybe, in Cyprus, people should be more open minded and welcome windpower instead of bitching about the color of the tower.

Georgios

[Get Real!]

The future clearly lies in rubber band cars with the wife getting off every so often to wind it up again thus exercising and keeping her weight down!