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[cyprusgrump]

Safe, clean energy....

[georgios100]

Mr cyprusgrump is in favor of nuclear energy in Cyprus yet he is posting wind turbine failures... I ask you this;

Your proposed nuclear plant is out of the question. Simply, if an accident like Chernobil happens, well, the whole island would be abandoned for the next 300 years... thousands may die... check out this link.

http://www.ctv.ca/generic/WebSpecials/c ... meset.html

A sad reminder.

Georgios100

[cyprusgrump]

Mr cyprusgrump is in favor of nuclear energy in Cyprus yet he is posting wind turbine failures... I ask you this;

Your proposed nuclear plant is out of the question. Simply, if an accident like Chernobil happens, well, the whole island would be abandoned for the next 300 years... thousands may die... check out this link.

http://www.ctv.ca/generic/WebSpecials/c ... meset.html

A sad reminder.

Georgios100

Very sad...

Should we let an accident such as that determine our energy plans for generations to come tho...?

Cyprus could do with some of these.

[georgios100]

Mr cyprusgrump is in favor of nuclear energy in Cyprus yet he is posting wind turbine failures... I ask you this;

Your proposed nuclear plant is out of the question. Simply, if an accident like Chernobil happens, well, the whole island would be abandoned for the next 300 years... thousands may die... check out this link.

http://www.ctv.ca/generic/WebSpecials/c ... meset.html

A sad reminder.

Georgios100

Very sad...

Should we let an accident such as that determine our energy plans for generations to come tho...?

Cyprus could do with some of these.

Your proposal in a nutshell (copy from link)

Hyperion Power’s Mini Power Reactor, is a liquid metal-cooled fast reactor, and offers unique safety
features and efficiency. Housed in a permanently sealed container just 1.5 meters wide by 2.5 meters
tall, it’s small enough to be transported by truck, rail or ship. Meeting all the non-proliferation criteria
of the Global Nuclear Energy Partnership (GNEP), each unit produces 70 megawatts of thermal energy
or 25 megawatts of electric power— enough to provide electricity for 20,000 average American-size
homes or the industrial equivalent for seven to ten years depending on usage.
Offering a cost-efficient source of clean, emission-free, baseload energy, the Hyperion Power Module
will provide crucial independent power for military installations; heat, steam, and electricity for mining
operations; and electricity for local infrastructure and clean water processes in communities around the
globe.

These are small scale units. 6 units to equal the wind farm being installed in Cyprus as we speak. Unit lifetime 7 years. Cost unknown. Disposal of "expired" units (cost & location) unknown.

Nuclear powered units (in multiples) have a greater chance of failure. Cyprus does not have a remote location to place these units for security reasons. I would think the units are suitable for mining installations, military outposts, remote transmission towers/antennas etc. Not suited for high dence build-up areas like Cyprus.

Still, nuclear power is considered renewable.

Georgios100

[cyprusgrump]

Mr cyprusgrump is in favor of nuclear energy in Cyprus yet he is posting wind turbine failures... I ask you this;

Your proposed nuclear plant is out of the question. Simply, if an accident like Chernobil happens, well, the whole island would be abandoned for the next 300 years... thousands may die... check out this link.

http://www.ctv.ca/generic/WebSpecials/c ... meset.html

A sad reminder.

Georgios100

Very sad...

Should we let an accident such as that determine our energy plans for generations to come tho...?

Cyprus could do with some of these.

Your proposal in a nutshell (copy from link)

Hyperion Power’s Mini Power Reactor, is a liquid metal-cooled fast reactor, and offers unique safety
features and efficiency. Housed in a permanently sealed container just 1.5 meters wide by 2.5 meters
tall, it’s small enough to be transported by truck, rail or ship. Meeting all the non-proliferation criteria
of the Global Nuclear Energy Partnership (GNEP), each unit produces 70 megawatts of thermal energy
or 25 megawatts of electric power— enough to provide electricity for 20,000 average American-size
homes or the industrial equivalent for seven to ten years depending on usage.
Offering a cost-efficient source of clean, emission-free, baseload energy, the Hyperion Power Module
will provide crucial independent power for military installations; heat, steam, and electricity for mining
operations; and electricity for local infrastructure and clean water processes in communities around the
globe.

These are small scale units. 6 units to equal the wind farm being installed in Cyprus as we speak. Unit lifetime 7 years. Cost unknown. Disposal of "expired" units (cost & location) unknown.

Nuclear powered units (in multiples) have a greater chance of failure. Cyprus does not have a remote location to place these units for security reasons. I would think the units are suitable for mining installations, military outposts, remote transmission towers/antennas etc. Not suited for high dence build-up areas like Cyprus.

Still, nuclear power is considered renewable.

Georgios100

So forty-one windmills must also have a 'greater chance of failure' then...?

Plus, they only produce power when windy requiring back-up generation capability for calm days...?

[denizaksulu]

I was involved in a couple of renewable energy projects in the Dominican Republic. The selection of the location is based on wind resources for best results. The estimated KW production is very accurate. Payback is usually 20 years.

Isn't that roughly the time when you need to replace all the wind mills?

how do they make these with electric from fossil fuels??
do they transport them by boats and lorries?

Wind turbines, same as other generating plants, are made using fossil fuels. Anything we make has a "footprint". Beyond the initial fabrication, wind turbines "footprint" is far less than conventional power plants.

Georgios100

Each windmill is made out of thousands of tonnes of steel and concrete. The iron ore has to come from somewhere. China probably. It has to be shipped to wherever it is turned into steel, not on a sailing boat and then must be converted, not in a tree house into steel using vast amounts of electricity which did not come from solar panels.

Then the steel has to be transported, not on a donkey to wherever the windmill was manufactured using electricity which didn’t come from a waterwheel. Then the whole thing has to be shipped, not by Thor Heyerdahl to Cyprus where it was transported, not by donkeys to the construction site.

Then a huge crane, powered not by hamsters running in a wheel lifted the components into position atop a massive reinforced concrete block which was not made from recycled newspapers…

Plus on days like yesterday when it is totally still wind farms generate no electricity at all. So wind farms can't be used to supply growing electricity requirements without matching them to backup generators for when the wind stops...

The only sensible solution for Cyprus is nuclear in my opinion...

A too large 'carbon foorprint?'.

[holitec]

This is what we need

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andasol_So ... er_Station

Who would have nuclear in an earthquake zone, built by Local Developers!

[georgios100]

Mr cyprusgrump is in favor of nuclear energy in Cyprus yet he is posting wind turbine failures... I ask you this;

Your proposed nuclear plant is out of the question. Simply, if an accident like Chernobil happens, well, the whole island would be abandoned for the next 300 years... thousands may die... check out this link.

http://www.ctv.ca/generic/WebSpecials/c ... meset.html

A sad reminder.

Georgios100

Very sad...

Should we let an accident such as that determine our energy plans for generations to come tho...?

Cyprus could do with some of these.

Your proposal in a nutshell (copy from link)

Hyperion Power’s Mini Power Reactor, is a liquid metal-cooled fast reactor, and offers unique safety
features and efficiency. Housed in a permanently sealed container just 1.5 meters wide by 2.5 meters
tall, it’s small enough to be transported by truck, rail or ship. Meeting all the non-proliferation criteria
of the Global Nuclear Energy Partnership (GNEP), each unit produces 70 megawatts of thermal energy
or 25 megawatts of electric power— enough to provide electricity for 20,000 average American-size
homes or the industrial equivalent for seven to ten years depending on usage.
Offering a cost-efficient source of clean, emission-free, baseload energy, the Hyperion Power Module
will provide crucial independent power for military installations; heat, steam, and electricity for mining
operations; and electricity for local infrastructure and clean water processes in communities around the
globe.

These are small scale units. 6 units to equal the wind farm being installed in Cyprus as we speak. Unit lifetime 7 years. Cost unknown. Disposal of "expired" units (cost & location) unknown.

Nuclear powered units (in multiples) have a greater chance of failure. Cyprus does not have a remote location to place these units for security reasons. I would think the units are suitable for mining installations, military outposts, remote transmission towers/antennas etc. Not suited for high dence build-up areas like Cyprus.

Still, nuclear power is considered renewable.

Georgios100

So forty-one windmills must also have a 'greater chance of failure' then...?

Plus, they only produce power when windy requiring back-up generation capability for calm days...?

You are right. I would say the windmills are a "compliment" to the existing power plants and may contribute a modest 10% of the electricity demand of the island.

Whatever man made equipment you refer to (including windmills), all eventually break down. The same goes for conventional coal/diesel power plants. Windmills by comparison have less maintenance due to less moving parts and, less wear/tear (when wind is not present). Windmills get a break if no wind is there... other power plants are continuous duty, so failures occur more.

From now on, windy days mean a lot more to us. More "free" energy and hopefully, over time, lower electricity bills to pay. Blow baby blow...

Georgios100

[cyprusgrump]

Mr cyprusgrump is in favor of nuclear energy in Cyprus yet he is posting wind turbine failures... I ask you this;

Your proposed nuclear plant is out of the question. Simply, if an accident like Chernobil happens, well, the whole island would be abandoned for the next 300 years... thousands may die... check out this link.

http://www.ctv.ca/generic/WebSpecials/c ... meset.html

A sad reminder.

Georgios100

Very sad...

Should we let an accident such as that determine our energy plans for generations to come tho...?

Cyprus could do with some of these.

Your proposal in a nutshell (copy from link)

Hyperion Power’s Mini Power Reactor, is a liquid metal-cooled fast reactor, and offers unique safety
features and efficiency. Housed in a permanently sealed container just 1.5 meters wide by 2.5 meters
tall, it’s small enough to be transported by truck, rail or ship. Meeting all the non-proliferation criteria
of the Global Nuclear Energy Partnership (GNEP), each unit produces 70 megawatts of thermal energy
or 25 megawatts of electric power— enough to provide electricity for 20,000 average American-size
homes or the industrial equivalent for seven to ten years depending on usage.
Offering a cost-efficient source of clean, emission-free, baseload energy, the Hyperion Power Module
will provide crucial independent power for military installations; heat, steam, and electricity for mining
operations; and electricity for local infrastructure and clean water processes in communities around the
globe.

These are small scale units. 6 units to equal the wind farm being installed in Cyprus as we speak. Unit lifetime 7 years. Cost unknown. Disposal of "expired" units (cost & location) unknown.

Nuclear powered units (in multiples) have a greater chance of failure. Cyprus does not have a remote location to place these units for security reasons. I would think the units are suitable for mining installations, military outposts, remote transmission towers/antennas etc. Not suited for high dence build-up areas like Cyprus.

Still, nuclear power is considered renewable.

Georgios100

So forty-one windmills must also have a 'greater chance of failure' then...?

Plus, they only produce power when windy requiring back-up generation capability for calm days...?

You are right. I would say the windmills are a "compliment" to the existing power plants and may contribute a modest 10% of the electricity demand of the island.

Whatever man made equipment you refer to (including windmills), all eventually break down. The same goes for conventional coal/diesel power plants. Windmills by comparison have less maintenance due to less moving parts and, less wear/tear (when wind is not present). Windmills get a break if no wind is there... other power plants are continuous duty, so failures occur more.

From now on, windy days mean a lot more to us. More "free" energy and hopefully, over time, lower electricity bills to pay. Blow baby blow...

Georgios100

I can see how that would work in a large power system (Canada or America) with many hundreds or thousands of power plants... on windy days you would be able to shut down the lest efficient plants and benefit from 'free' wind energy...

I can't see it working in a smaller model like Cyprus tho... surely we have to build 110% 'conventional' generating capacity to allow us to benefit from 'free' wind energy...?

We can't have 90% 'conventional' generating and 10% wind as we'd obviously have to shut down 10% of the island on non-windy days...

This is classic 'one size fits all' EU rule making which will eventually cost Cypriots extra in their fuel bills to meet EU quotas and benefit from 'free' wind power...

There has been a house built not 100m from my home by a large, well known builder in Cyprus. It has just been finished... the house has no insulation of any form (apart from 'double-glazed' windows). This is 2010 yet we are still building homes that will require air conditioning in the summer and heating in the winter in a climate where neither should really be necessary...

I personally think the millions spent on the wind farm to meet some EU rule would have been better spent insulating homes, making sure that new homes are energy efficient and perhaps fitting PV panels to all apartment buildings...