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[georgios100]

serious question one windmill does how many house per year?

It depends on the "size" of the turbine. Not sure what size of turbines are installed now.

As an example, a 1.5 MW turbine can provide power for approx 400 homes.

Georgios100

maybe(waiting for joke) I am stupid ,but surely there are better ways of saving the planet, cyprus has something like 2 cars per family, (this is not a big place), how about limiting all cars to 1000cc. This would hopefully reduce the amount of fatal accidents??

A reduction to engine size is not the solution. The electric car is. Already "volt", a new electric car by GM is introduced this year. Totally electric. Plug in to your garage outlet all night, ready in the morning for driving to work.

The power at your garage outlet could come from wind turbines or solar panels. Zero emissions. No more gas stations.

Fatal accidents are always going to be there but, pollution, no.

Georgios100

[apc2010]

We have no electric garages here.Most people drive 4 lire mercs,surely in Cyprus the way forward is better solar panels.In the uk i saw solar panels on phone boxes to light them and they have no sunshine!!

[georgios100]

We have no electric garages here.Most people drive 4 lire mercs,surely in Cyprus the way forward is better solar panels.In the uk i saw solar panels on phone boxes to light them and they have no sunshine!!

If you don't have an "electric garage", plug in your electric car using an extension cord from the house... lol

Solar panels are very expensive with an efficiency of approx 9%. And remember this, solar panels produce power only during the day, a non cloudy day, where the wind turbines work 24 hrs. In other words, wind power is 3 times more efficient than solar and cost 3 times less (if the wind is there).


Georgios100

[apc2010]

Surely only if there is wind ,Cyprus has on average something like 320 days of sun,In my own house only my water is heated by solar ,but surely there is a way to run everything by solar in summer???

[georgios100]

Surely only if there is wind ,Cyprus has on average something like 320 days of sun,In my own house only my water is heated by solar ,but surely there is a way to run everything by solar in summer???

As I stated before, solar is very expensive. The RoC subsidizes a solar installation with 55% of the total expense. I know a friend of mine in larnaca who installed 17 kw solar panels. 17 kw is a high number so he sells the surplus power production to the grid. Payback expected to be approx 9-10 years. The initial investment is high even with 55% paid by RoC. Here is the info

Project Subsidy Sold to the grid (to EAC)

Wind turbines less than 30 KW power


55%
4.567 euro cents per KWh production of electricity

Solar system for swimming pool
45%

Solar system for space heating and/or cooling
55%

Solar heated domestic hot water
20%

Photovoltaics
55%

20.5 euro cents per KWh

Photovoltaics


0


38 euro cent

Biomass


4.567 cent per KWh electricity production

Hope this helps,

Georgios100

[apc2010]

9-10 years payback with surpluss, wind turbines 15-20, correct? with no adverse effect on "looks" every house has panels,

[cyprusgrump]

I was involved in a couple of renewable energy projects in the Dominican Republic. The selection of the location is based on wind resources for best results. The estimated KW production is very accurate. Payback is usually 20 years.

Isn't that roughly the time when you need to replace all the wind mills?

how do they make these with electric from fossil fuels??
do they transport them by boats and lorries?

Wind turbines, same as other generating plants, are made using fossil fuels. Anything we make has a "footprint". Beyond the initial fabrication, wind turbines "footprint" is far less than conventional power plants.

Georgios100

Each windmill is made out of thousands of tonnes of steel and concrete. The iron ore has to come from somewhere. China probably. It has to be shipped to wherever it is turned into steel, not on a sailing boat and then must be converted, not in a tree house into steel using vast amounts of electricity which did not come from solar panels.

Then the steel has to be transported, not on a donkey to wherever the windmill was manufactured using electricity which didn’t come from a waterwheel. Then the whole thing has to be shipped, not by Thor Heyerdahl to Cyprus where it was transported, not by donkeys to the construction site.

Then a huge crane, powered not by hamsters running in a wheel lifted the components into position atop a massive reinforced concrete block which was not made from recycled newspapers…

Plus on days like yesterday when it is totally still wind farms generate no electricity at all. So wind farms can't be used to supply growing electricity requirements without matching them to backup generators for when the wind stops...

The only sensible solution for Cyprus is nuclear in my opinion...

[wyoming cowboy]

We have no electric garages here.Most people drive 4 lire mercs,surely in Cyprus the way forward is better solar panels.In the uk i saw solar panels on phone boxes to light them and they have no sunshine!!

there is a battery for solar that when charged fully can last 6 months, being tested here in the usa...

[cyprusgrump]

Wind farm subsidies top £1 billion a year

Britain's energy policy faces new controversy as it can be revealed that electricity customers are paying more than £1 billion a year to subsidise windfarms and other forms of renewable energy.

The hidden levy is part of a Government scheme to force energy companies to fund green energy. The companies bear the cost but pass it on to consumers in the form of higher bills.

The amount raised has climbed steeply since the introduction of the levy in 2002.

Source

Critics claimed that the subsidy scheme unfairly penalised consumers and was being used to fund "unrealistic" plans to increase the use of wind power.

[denizaksulu]

Here is my two cents on the wind farm installation. Some of the comments posted so far are beyond comprehension. I can't believe your only concern is what color is the mast or the noise emissions of the turbines... what about the power shortage in the near future?

1. Renewable energy projects.
2. Global warming.
3. Carbon dioxide emissions.
4. Fossil fuel running out.
5. Addiction to oil.
6. Acid rain and smog.

The above items are of global concern. Cyprus included. We should realize by now, the energy sector in Cyprus is behind schedule.

Electricity demand grows by the minute. Wind power is very popular all over the world. Here, in Canada, wind farms are constructed everywhere. As oil won't be there for ever, alternative sources of power must be pursued. Denmark, the leader in wind energy, harvests 20% of it's electricity from wind turbines.

The other option for Cyprus is nuclear energy. Do you really want a nuclear plant near you? No? Then settle for a wind farm and stop wining.

Georgios100

Re yorgo,

Until the 19th century Cypriots didn't have anything working on fossil fuel, and they still survived! All you need is halloumi and some olives.

Hucking Fell

You posted a sensible response. You deserve a medal.