cyprusgrump wrote:georgios100 wrote:cyprusgrump wrote:georgios100 wrote:cyprusgrump wrote:georgios100 wrote:cyprusgrump wrote:apc2010 wrote:denmark=6000 wind turbines
Denmark highest electric bill per person in europe
Denmark 6000 wind turbines total output for feb 2003 =ZERO
DEnmark 6000 wind turbines but no convential power plants shut.???
Quite so!
georgios100 says they get 20% of their power from wind... which means that not only has the consumer had to pay for 6,000 turbines but an additional 20% of conventional generating capacity sitting idle for when the wind stops...
On a yearly basis, Denmark produces 20% elec via windpower, not monthy. If the Danish government is asking for higher bills that does not mean the windmills are a failure. Cyprus elec bills not that much cheaper either.
I said it before, will say it again. Windpower is a great renewable source. Like all other renewables, not always there. Sorry guys, nature is not responsible for your 24 hrs air conditioning needs. As the oil gets depleted, the Danish will pay a lot less for electricity than anyone else. Candles to be a precious commodity as a result. Stock up from now... save money.
Your problem is short sided. You only look ahead for... next week. On the long term, things don't look that bright, do they?
It is you that is short sighted!
The Danes won't pay less because they'll still be using stand-by power for when the wind stops blowing...
They will still be paying back the cost of all the redundant hardware needed to fulfil the
green-lobby fantasy.
The
green lobby fantasy is spreading all over. Canada, USA & Germany are taken for a ride... how stupid these countries are?
http://www.canwea.ca/farms/wind-farms_e.phphttp://www.awea.org/projects/http://www.ecoworld.com/energy-fuels/wi ... rmany.htmlCyprus is the smart one but eventually fell into the same trap.
All that according to my dear friend cyprusgrump. Thanks man, perhaps you could email Obama and tell him what a big mistake he is making...
Georgios100
No doubt you believe in Man Made Global Warming too...?
Every country was behind that too - until the lies and obfuscation all unravelled....
Why, Gordon Brown himself told us we only had fifty days to save the planet! Even Obama arrived at the talks...
Turns out it was an opportunity to charge us all more tax... a bit like wind farms really!
Being in the majority doesn't always make you right....
Always a pleasure talking to you cyprusgrump. Your comments are very entertaining indeed!
Not sure if global warming is man made but what's the difference? It's here anyway. Oil is running out too! Soon enough uranium will be hard to get as well. We are running out of energy, fast! I know, we can go back to wood burning and steam engines... not much wood available in Cyprus, is there? So, what other options are left? A 30 year wait for fusion... or "clean coal" technologies?
Georgios100
Thanks for your kind words!
Actually, I believe that the world is entering a period of cooling, perhaps heading towards a mini ice-age as it has so often in the past...
I also believe that we are a long way away from 'peak oil' and that the imminent exhaustion of our supplies has been talked-up by the green lobby... if you dig deep enough on the Internet you will find many new discoveries - why even our own beautiful island may be home to significant oil reserves...
However, my preferences would be...
1) Invest in insulation programmes - it is ludicrous that houses in Cyprus need to be heated in winter and cooled in summer.
2) Invest in solar - it is significantly more reliable than wind.
3) Push forward with fusion.
Wind energy is a red-herring, it makes people think we are doing 'something' when in fact we are not...
As for electric cars, I truly believe that our grandchildren will be amazed that we refined oil, distributed it and burn petrol in our vehicles. The internal combustion engine will look to them as steam powered traction engines appear to us...
But electric power will not become a realistic replacement for oil until we find a cheap and reliable way of generating electricity... and I'm afraid my friend that the wind is not it...
As much as I like wind power, it is well understood, only 10% output is expected worldwide. So the energy issue looms in the horizon. Solar research is intensified by many... still low efficiencies. The downside of solar is the restriction of production (5-6 hours daily of usable sunshine). Wind blows day & night, more production hours. "Storing" electricity is next to impossible... it must be consumed immediately, otherwise lost.
Hydro power, the workhorse of energy, can be compromised... the latest example, Venezuela. Not much rain this year, dams water levels are very low, hence, electricity problems there, big time.
Petrol is a great fuel, light in weigh, easy to transport, easy to dispense etc. but emissions wise, a killer.
Energy is to be the most precious commodity. Without it, w'll starve to death. Insulation is a must, provided energy is there.
I am working on a prototype to desalinate sea water using renewables. Water, another precious item, is key to human survival. For now, wind power is too costly to use for water desalination. Later, in time, it may not be. Cyprus has a real water supply problem. This year we had lots of rain, thank God. The years to come might prove otherwise...
Footnote.
Did you know Cyprus was abandoned in the year 300AD +/- for 17 years due to drought?
Georgios100
