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[Get Real!]

We can always do “the trial of Kikakpu” for a laugh, and I’d be happy to represent him if he chooses.

[Kikapu]

this is something that I am not sure 100% about but as the Roc says they represent the whole of cyprus then if the the TCs where ever they are living vote in a representative then does that not mean that this would be the representation of the tc community as in the '60 constitution (if of course they apply for this position- rather then what they are doing now)? I am asking because I dont know?

Also what I am suggesting is the bringing back the the Roc legal system to the 1960 status as is in the constitution, the other elements can wait for now.

Fair enough, but the RoC can also use the 1960 constitution and declare all those against the state of the RoC as traitors and charge them as such for collaborating with the occupying force in Cyprus to form another state within a state, so you see, not everything is straight forward.!

I'm glad there's a TC who reminds the remaining (and very foolish) TCs that a constitution is about privileges AND responsibilities!

Hes not a TC.

Says the English girl from the UK.!

[DTA]

this is something that I am not sure 100% about but as the Roc says they represent the whole of cyprus then if the the TCs where ever they are living vote in a representative then does that not mean that this would be the representation of the tc community as in the '60 constitution (if of course they apply for this position- rather then what they are doing now)? I am asking because I dont know?

Also what I am suggesting is the bringing back the the Roc legal system to the 1960 status as is in the constitution, the other elements can wait for now.

Fair enough, but the RoC can also use the 1960 constitution and declare all those against the state of the RoC as traitors and charge them as such for collaborating with the occupying force in Cyprus to form another state within a state, so you see, not everything is straight forward.!

but if the individuals that take up the claim to reinstate the Cyprus legal system to that of 1960 how can the the Roc regard them as traitors? they are working within the regime that the ROc claim they are representing, if needed the can say that the trnc does not represent them, as the international community does not recognise the trnc anyway, what is there to be lost? an individual can take the ROC to a higher court to ensure the 1960 constitution is being upheld (of course one step at a time - reform/reinstatement of the the legal system first- but the rest to follow)

The recent ECHR rulling means that this will be along bi communal bi zonal lines anyway (apart from varosha and the buffer zone) so what have we to lose, we have no recognition now so lets see if the GC want to stick by the 1960 constitution (the constitution that at present gives them legitimacy over the whole of cyprus, if they dont then that is a whole different ball game)

That way the Roc will have to decide whether to make serious compromises or return to the 1960 constitution or agree partition. There will be no other option unless I am missing something????? please inform.

[boulio]

but if the individuals that take up the claim to reinstate the Cyprus legal system to that of 1960 how can the the Roc regard them as traitors? they are working within the regime that the ROc claim they are representing, if needed the can say that the trnc does not represent them, as the international community does not recognise the trnc anyway, what is there to be lost? an individual can take the ROC to a higher court to ensure the 1960 constitution is being upheld (of course one step at a time - reform/reinstatement of the the legal system first- but the rest to follow)

The recent ECHR rulling means that this will be along bi communal bi zonal lines anyway (apart from varosha and the buffer zone) so what have we to lose, we have no recognition now so lets see if the GC want to stick by the 1960 constitution (the constitution that at present gives them legitimacy over the whole of cyprus, if they dont then that is a whole different ball game)

That way the Roc will have to decide whether to make serious compromises or return to the 1960 constitution or agree partition. There will be no other option unless I am missing something????? please inform.

1)do you want communal or individual rights?because you cant flip flop when ever you want.
2)BBF DOES not mean a turkish state in the north,all it means is t/c will administer politically.you can have 100,000 g/c in the north and it would stiill be a bbf.
3)g/c have already made a huge comprimise from going from a unitary state to a federation
4)agreed partition?based on what population ratios or land ownership.?

[YFred]

We can always do “the trial of Kikakpu” for a laugh, and I’d be happy to represent him if he chooses.

Sure, we'll give him a fair trial and then we'll hang him.

[DTA]

but if the individuals that take up the claim to reinstate the Cyprus legal system to that of 1960 how can the the Roc regard them as traitors? they are working within the regime that the ROc claim they are representing, if needed the can say that the trnc does not represent them, as the international community does not recognise the trnc anyway, what is there to be lost? an individual can take the ROC to a higher court to ensure the 1960 constitution is being upheld (of course one step at a time - reform/reinstatement of the the legal system first- but the rest to follow)

The recent ECHR rulling means that this will be along bi communal bi zonal lines anyway (apart from varosha and the buffer zone) so what have we to lose, we have no recognition now so lets see if the GC want to stick by the 1960 constitution (the constitution that at present gives them legitimacy over the whole of cyprus, if they dont then that is a whole different ball game)

That way the Roc will have to decide whether to make serious compromises or return to the 1960 constitution or agree partition. There will be no other option unless I am missing something????? please inform.

1)do you want communal or individual rights?because you cant flip flop when ever you want.
2)BBF DOES not mean a turkish state in the north,all it means is t/c will administer politically.you can have 100,000 g/c in the north and it would stiill be a bbf.
3)g/c have already made a huge comprimise from going from a unitary state to a federation
4)agreed partition?based on what population ratios or land ownership.?

1) I want communal rights within which both communites individuals are satisfied (if possible)
2) I know.
3) and the the TC are also willing to give up the state of the TRNC to unite cyprus under a BBF (I know the TRNC has no recognition and has little meaning to the GCs - or the rest of the world for that matter but it is still a TC state)
4) to be honest I am not advocating this, just saying that as some members of the GC community see a the law courts rather than the negociating table as means of forcing a solution - then maybe the Tcs can take note of this and do the same in reverse to level the playing field.... I would however favor a political solution.

[boulio]

I want communal rights within which both communites individuals are satisfied (if possible)

but at the same time not trampling the other communities individual rights as well.if im a g/c living in the north i understand for federal senators it will be ie 24 from the north and 24 from the south.why cant i vote for the northern senator?it should not be based of ethnicity that is racist.

[DTA]

I want communal rights within which both communites individuals are satisfied (if possible)

but at the same time not trampling the other communities individual rights as well.if im a g/c living in the north i understand for federal senators it will be ie 24 from the north and 24 from the south.why cant i vote for the northern senator?it should not be based of ethnicity that is racist.

I cant really argue against that to be honest you are right.

We need to know what the actual numbers will be in each state, how many Gc will come back to a TC controlled north, how many people have TC citizenship etc etc.

[EPSILON]

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[EPSILON]

http://www.cyprus-mail.com/cyprus/no-advice-yet-state-echr-ruling/20100318

A LAWSUIT against Turkey has been filed for the first time in a court of the Republic of Cyprus for occupation of properties in the north owned by the Shacolas Group of companies worth millions of euros.

The lawsuit was filed on Tuesday by lawyers Andis Triandafyllides and Achilleas Demetriades on behalf of the Shacolas Group which has properties in the occupied districts of Nicosia, Kyrenia, and Famagusta.

The lawyers filed a case against the Turkish Republic, noting that these properties are the exclusive property of the Group to which Turkey has no right, adding that it has been illegally blocking the owners from using the properties since 1974.

Triantafyllides was quoted in Phileleftheros saying that this was a civil case similar to the Orams case regarding a disagreement over property ownership. His clients are seeking compensation for loss of use and illegal interference since 1974.

The lawyers plan to serve summons to Turkey via a Turkish embassy in another EU member state. If Turkey refuses to address the court, the Shacolas Group will seek a decision against them.

Did anyone else spot this? How will Turkey avoid having its EU assets seized by the EU courts?

What all these cases creating is to guide G/cs to the wrong conclusion that Cyprus problem is just a legal case.

Cyprus problem however is a case of military power and unfair enforcement of it. All these cases ,just giving the excuse to TURKEY THAT IT JUST VIOLATED A LEGAL RULE.This not the case of course!!!