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[Malapapa]

You need a clear head in the Cyprus Problem section, DTA. It's better if you're not under the influence (of drink and also of Turkey).

[Kikapu]

All that the people of the TRNC needs to do is work toward getting the ROC courts to the system they were designed to maintain by the 1960 constitution (turkish judges as well etc etc). I have been told that the reason that they dont do this is because they do not recognise the ROC... well the rest of the world does and if we are working toward a BBF then the idea of partition is dead so lets call the ROCs bluff, let us take our places in courts the government etc etc as was the agreement in 1960, if the TRNC is an illigal state already then what have we to lose... let us force the GC to chose to ignore the constitution and then challenge that in a higher court as well of the legitimacy of a government that 'ignores its own constitution.


Legal action will lead to legal action and the lawyers are the ones that will be laughing in the end,

The only problem with your idea is, that since the "trnc" does not exist in the 1960 constitution, the TCs will need to abandon it first, allow all the GCs to return to their homes and land, as well as declare that Turkey is an occupying power in their country of Cyprus and demand their removal as they do not need saving from Turkey because everything is now hunky dory.!

[DTA]

All that the people of the TRNC needs to do is work toward getting the ROC courts to the system they were designed to maintain by the 1960 constitution (turkish judges as well etc etc). I have been told that the reason that they dont do this is because they do not recognise the ROC... well the rest of the world does and if we are working toward a BBF then the idea of partition is dead so lets call the ROCs bluff, let us take our places in courts the government etc etc as was the agreement in 1960, if the TRNC is an illigal state already then what have we to lose... let us force the GC to chose to ignore the constitution and then challenge that in a higher court as well of the legitimacy of a government that 'ignores its own constitution.


Legal action will lead to legal action and the lawyers are the ones that will be laughing in the end,

The only problem with your idea is, that since the "trnc" does not exist in the 1960 constitution, the TCs will need to abandon it first, allow all the GCs to return to their homes and land, as well as declare that Turkey is an occupying power in their country of Cyprus and demand their removal as they do not need saving from Turkey because everything is now hunky dory.!

Not if it is done by individual people rather than the TRNC. Just like the Roc uses individual people rather than taking on Turkey directly

[YFred]

All that the people of the TRNC needs to do is work toward getting the ROC courts to the system they were designed to maintain by the 1960 constitution (turkish judges as well etc etc). I have been told that the reason that they dont do this is because they do not recognise the ROC... well the rest of the world does and if we are working toward a BBF then the idea of partition is dead so lets call the ROCs bluff, let us take our places in courts the government etc etc as was the agreement in 1960, if the TRNC is an illigal state already then what have we to lose... let us force the GC to chose to ignore the constitution and then challenge that in a higher court as well of the legitimacy of a government that 'ignores its own constitution.


Legal action will lead to legal action and the lawyers are the ones that will be laughing in the end,

The only problem with your idea is, that since the "trnc" does not exist in the 1960 constitution, the TCs will need to abandon it first, allow all the GCs to return to their homes and land, as well as declare that Turkey is an occupying power in their country of Cyprus and demand their removal as they do not need saving from Turkey because everything is now hunky dory.!

Not if it is done by individual people rather than the TRNC. Just like the Roc uses individual people rather than taking on Turkey directly

I wish TCs hold an election and the MPs turn up at the gate and see who has the balls to stop them from getting in.

[Kikapu]

All that the people of the TRNC needs to do is work toward getting the ROC courts to the system they were designed to maintain by the 1960 constitution (turkish judges as well etc etc). I have been told that the reason that they dont do this is because they do not recognise the ROC... well the rest of the world does and if we are working toward a BBF then the idea of partition is dead so lets call the ROCs bluff, let us take our places in courts the government etc etc as was the agreement in 1960, if the TRNC is an illigal state already then what have we to lose... let us force the GC to chose to ignore the constitution and then challenge that in a higher court as well of the legitimacy of a government that 'ignores its own constitution.


Legal action will lead to legal action and the lawyers are the ones that will be laughing in the end,

The only problem with your idea is, that since the "trnc" does not exist in the 1960 constitution, the TCs will need to abandon it first, allow all the GCs to return to their homes and land, as well as declare that Turkey is an occupying power in their country of Cyprus and demand their removal as they do not need saving from Turkey because everything is now hunky dory.!

Not if it is done by individual people rather than the TRNC. Just like the Roc uses individual people rather than taking on Turkey directly

But individual TC cannot represent the TC community in the south, but only elected individuals chosen by the TC community can, not to mention they will need to live in the south since the north is under occupation and the RoC does not have control over it. So, Talat as the leader of the TC community can only become part of the RoC government to represent the TCs if he first declares the "trnc" no more, surely.?? TCs as individuals cannot do this. For example, if a TC individual was given the vice presidency position in the RoC without being elected by the TC community, will you accept that TC individual making decisions in the RoC government on your behalf while you are trying to establish another state in the north, the "trnc".?? I don't think so:

[DTA]

this is something that I am not sure 100% about but as the Roc says they represent the whole of cyprus then if the the TCs where ever they are living vote in a representative then does that not mean that this would be the representation of the tc community as in the '60 constitution (if of course they apply for this position- rather then what they are doing now)? I am asking because I dont know?

Also what I am suggesting is the bringing back the the Roc legal system to the 1960 status as is in the constitution, the other elements can wait for now.

[Kikapu]

this is something that I am not sure 100% about but as the Roc says they represent the whole of cyprus then if the the TCs where ever they are living vote in a representative then does that not mean that this would be the representation of the tc community as in the '60 constitution (if of course they apply for this position- rather then what they are doing now)? I am asking because I dont know?

Also what I am suggesting is the bringing back the the Roc legal system to the 1960 status as is in the constitution, the other elements can wait for now.

Fair enough, but the RoC can also use the 1960 constitution and declare all those against the state of the RoC as traitors and charge them as such for collaborating with the occupying force in Cyprus to form another state within a state, so you see, not everything is straight forward.!

[Get Real!]

this is something that I am not sure 100% about but as the Roc says they represent the whole of cyprus then if the the TCs where ever they are living vote in a representative then does that not mean that this would be the representation of the tc community as in the '60 constitution (if of course they apply for this position- rather then what they are doing now)? I am asking because I dont know?

Also what I am suggesting is the bringing back the the Roc legal system to the 1960 status as is in the constitution, the other elements can wait for now.

Fair enough, but the RoC can also use the 1960 constitution and declare all those against the state of the RoC as traitors and charge them as such for collaborating with the occupying force in Cyprus to form another state within a state, so you see, not everything is straight forward.!

I'm glad there's a TC who reminds the remaining (and very foolish) TCs that a constitution is about privileges AND responsibilities!

[Viewpoint]

this is something that I am not sure 100% about but as the Roc says they represent the whole of cyprus then if the the TCs where ever they are living vote in a representative then does that not mean that this would be the representation of the tc community as in the '60 constitution (if of course they apply for this position- rather then what they are doing now)? I am asking because I dont know?

Also what I am suggesting is the bringing back the the Roc legal system to the 1960 status as is in the constitution, the other elements can wait for now.

Fair enough, but the RoC can also use the 1960 constitution and declare all those against the state of the RoC as traitors and charge them as such for collaborating with the occupying force in Cyprus to form another state within a state, so you see, not everything is straight forward.!

I'm glad there's a TC who reminds the remaining (and very foolish) TCs that a constitution is about privileges AND responsibilities!

Hes not a TC.

[Get Real!]

this is something that I am not sure 100% about but as the Roc says they represent the whole of cyprus then if the the TCs where ever they are living vote in a representative then does that not mean that this would be the representation of the tc community as in the '60 constitution (if of course they apply for this position- rather then what they are doing now)? I am asking because I dont know?

Also what I am suggesting is the bringing back the the Roc legal system to the 1960 status as is in the constitution, the other elements can wait for now.

Fair enough, but the RoC can also use the 1960 constitution and declare all those against the state of the RoC as traitors and charge them as such for collaborating with the occupying force in Cyprus to form another state within a state, so you see, not everything is straight forward.!

I'm glad there's a TC who reminds the remaining (and very foolish) TCs that a constitution is about privileges AND responsibilities!

Hes not a TC.

You can't prove that.