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[YFred]

Talking of de-railing every thread can we have his highnesses opinion on Muhtaro X not wanting to make a joint statement regarding agreement so far?
If you please Ağa bey, just to save me looking for it you understand.

There is a very good reason as to why Christofias does not want to give a joint statement on what has been agreed on so far, BECAUSE, it seems like what has been agreed to mostly has to do with power sharing, the rotating presidency and BBF concept, and from what the GCs see it, they see it all this as their compromise for a solution and yet nothing from the TC side for their compromise on property, settlers, and land adjustment, troops, Turkey's guarantees and so on, therefore, if a joint statement is given now, the TCs and the world will accept the GCs compromise as being set in stone and nothing from the other side, so, in the event the talks break off and another one starts in the future, everyone will expect the negotiations to start from what the GCs already agreed on, which will give the TCs the upper hand. No, I agree with Christofias, when everything is agreed on, good or bad, then let everyone show their hands.!

Absolute ballderdash, old boy. They have been negotiating for decades and found a way to go back to square one 14 months ago. If there is any new negotiations, why should it bother them now?
Can we have the real reason rather than an excuse please?

[paliometoxo]

Visiting each others side is not the same as sharing a country where we have to place our future in your hands and hope for the best we could do that today by moving south but we dont because we do not feel we belong in a gc state.

and we dont feel we belong in a coountry that we where forced to split it in two and make another state by force to accept the rape murder by the turks and make it all legal..

And I dont want to force to belong to such a country yet you want to force me, why?

so why should i be forced to accept your ways ? it goes both ways neither tcs or gcs should be FORCED this does not help and is not a solution to the cy problem which is obviously why america and the other countries dont force turkey to leave or recognise the trnc without both tc and gc ok..

forcing the cypriots to do anything will never work.. that includes forcing us to accept your state .

Then we will always have the current status quo as you cannot see that you have to share this island we tried the mixed together and it didnt work yet you want to force me backwards whereas the last 36 years has brought a peaceful exsistence therefore a BBF with political equality is the only way we live together without forced against you will. Allow everyone the opportunity to live anywhere they wish be it the north or south accepting the administration of that state, why do you demand the whole island becomes a GC state with us as just another minority?

it is more costly for turkey this way, we do realise this is our island to share, something turkey does not understand the meaning of SHARE, but instead wants complete control over the island why should we be a slave to turkey and let them do as they wish?

it should be tc gc both have a term as president rotating presidency and both gc and tc police working together one gc and one tc schools teaching turkish as a second language to gcs and greek to turkish as a second language if they wish in school like other countries i think england they teach german and french in school correct me if i am wrong..

you saying two states to me is like me saying turks bugger off home and tcs bugger off to turkey and we have gc island with no turks in north.. to me it sounds like that when you say two states in any form

no 36 years has no brought anything of the sort it was forced apon us.. that is not peace full to me just because there has not been war its still not peace.

[Malapapa]

Silence says a lot.

Yes... you should try it sometimes.

[YFred]

When your cowboy friend says may all TCs burn in hell, does it bother you?

"Nasrettin Hoca" was told by his friend that another man was fucking his wife and that he should feel ashamed, in which the Hoca put his hand on his ass and said to his friend, "my ass is not fucked by another man, so why should I be the one who should be ashamed. Let her be the one to feel ashamed."!

Your friendship with the GC fascistigos does your your credit no good what so ever.
In the real world, would Nasretting hoca be able to show his face in the local kahve under those circumstances, hell he would. So would you.

[Get Real!]

Silence says a lot.

Yes... you should try it sometimes.

[repulsewarrior]

Visiting each others side is not the same as sharing a country where we have to place our future in your hands and hope for the best we could do that today by moving south but we dont because we do not feel we belong in a gc state.

and we dont feel we belong in a coountry that we where forced to split it in two and make another state by force to accept the rape murder by the turks and make it all legal..

And I dont want to force to belong to such a country yet you want to force me, why?

so why should i be forced to accept your ways ? it goes both ways neither tcs or gcs should be FORCED this does not help and is not a solution to the cy problem which is obviously why america and the other countries dont force turkey to leave or recognise the trnc without both tc and gc ok..

forcing the cypriots to do anything will never work.. that includes forcing us to accept your state .

Then we will always have the current status quo as you cannot see that you have to share this island we tried the mixed together and it didnt work yet you want to force me backwards whereas the last 36 years has brought a peaceful exsistence therefore a BBF with political equality is the only way we live together without forced against you will. Allow everyone the opportunity to live anywhere they wish be it the north or south accepting the administration of that state, why do you demand the whole island becomes a GC state with us as just another minority?

...please read my manifesto.

[Kikapu]

Kikapu with out making this personal... and this is not an attack so please dont take it as such, but how many TCs on this forum do you think view you as anything other then anti TC?

It is non of my business how other TCs view me as or my views. If some TCs do not like what I have to say, they will find every reason under the sun to justify what they do not want to hear. How can any Fascist NeoPartitionist can feel good about anything that I throw at them, pointing out what they stand for, which are violation of other Cypriots Democratic, Human Rights and International Laws. Well, they don't, so they want to then "shoot" the messenger, just because the message is too hard for them to swallow, that's all. Fascism is a mental illness, just remember that. They are irrational people and all means are justifiable to them just so to reach their end at all cost. What did you think Fascism was DTA.?? Not a Picnic Party, I hope.!!

That is not the question that I asked you have berrated people on this thread for not answering your question so can answer mine?

What part of that answer I gave above you did not understand, DTA. It's right there in the first sentence. I even added extras to explain what it meant, but yet you are not satisfied.!

Perhaps in the future when you ask questions, you should also supply the answers that you would like to read, so that you will be happy if my answers do not please you.!

So let me clear something here. What you are saying is, if I stand on principle based on Democracy, Human Rights, International Laws and the EU Principles, which all the Fascist NeoPartitionist does not, then I'm seen as a anti TCs and you want me to tell you as to how many TCs view it as. If that is your real question, DTA, which to me it's what it sounds like, then the answer is still the same as I gave above.!

But to take it a step further so that you are not confused, since you seem to have a difficulty comprehending the written English language fully, if the principles I stand on, as mentioned above, says that (according to the Fascist NeoPartitionist which you seem to use their ideology in applying the same logic with your question to me) can only be viewed as being Anti TC based ONLY on the principle I stand on. Now, I make no secret of my opposition to the Fascist NeoPartitionist, therefore, are you then saying, if I'm anti Fascist NeoPartitionist, that the Fascist NeoPartitionist then use my opposition of them to label me as a Anti TC, are you and all the Fascist NeoPartitionist are then saying that ALL the TCs are Facists Neopartitionist, because that's the ONLY way I can be a anti TCs. So which is it, DTA, am I anti TCs because they are all Fascists NeoPatitionist or that I'm ONLY anti Fascist NeoPartitionist.? You figure this one out by yourself, which would then give you the answer you are looking for, hopefully.!!

[Kikapu]

Talking of de-railing every thread can we have his highnesses opinion on Muhtaro X not wanting to make a joint statement regarding agreement so far?
If you please Ağa bey, just to save me looking for it you understand.

There is a very good reason as to why Christofias does not want to give a joint statement on what has been agreed on so far, BECAUSE, it seems like what has been agreed to mostly has to do with power sharing, the rotating presidency and BBF concept, and from what the GCs see it, they see it all this as their compromise for a solution and yet nothing from the TC side for their compromise on property, settlers, and land adjustment, troops, Turkey's guarantees and so on, therefore, if a joint statement is given now, the TCs and the world will accept the GCs compromise as being set in stone and nothing from the other side, so, in the event the talks break off and another one starts in the future, everyone will expect the negotiations to start from what the GCs already agreed on, which will give the TCs the upper hand. No, I agree with Christofias, when everything is agreed on, good or bad, then let everyone show their hands.!

Absolute ballderdash, old boy. They have been negotiating for decades and found a way to go back to square one 14 months ago. If there is any new negotiations, why should it bother them now?
Can we have the real reason rather than an excuse please?

Give a "real reason" to what.?? I gave an opinion, that's all.!

Of course, the 2004 Annan Plan and it's contents was the desired starting point for Talat which he tried hard in these talks, were they not, so once something is on paper from the leaders in negotiation, whether approved or not later, can be tried to be used again in the next round of talks, NO.??

So let me ask you and see if you can give an honest answer, as hard as it may be for you, which is, what part of my above post is "anti TCs".???

[Kikapu]

When your cowboy friend says may all TCs burn in hell, does it bother you?

"Nasrettin Hoca" was told by his friend that another man was fucking his wife and that he should feel ashamed, in which the Hoca put his hand on his ass and said to his friend, "my ass is not fucked by another man, so why should I be the one who should be ashamed. Let her be the one to feel ashamed."!

Your friendship with the GC fascistigos does your your credit no good what so ever.
In the real world, would Nasretting hoca be able to show his face in the local kahve under those circumstances, hell he would. So would you.

In my REAL WORLD, the 21st century world that is, I would not have a problem showing my face anywhere in what I write, because the 21st century world that I live in, allows me to be an independent thinker with luxury of freedom of expression in a True Democratic System, but I'm sure your Real World is the one from the 16th century mentality where you would not be free to express yourself because True Democracy does not exists for you and that you would be afraid to be mopped by all the locals at your local kahve to be made ashamed. So, YFred, it seems that we DO live in two different worlds from each other, only yours is about 500 years behind mine.!

[Kikapu]

I would be interested in that answer as wel

l kikapu

he cant answer and will continue to throw up crap in order to change the subject.

The subject of this thread is "Joint statement" by the leaders and not about me, so it is you who wants to change the subject by injecting crap.

Do not confuse my opposition to Fascist NeoPartitionist like yourself to the TCs viewpoint. You are not an elected official, therefore you ONLY speak for yourself, as we all do with our own opinions. As a TC, how can I be "Anti TC". That is the most moronic statement if I ever heard of one. Am I Anti Fascist NeoPartitonist, no matter whom they may be, you better believe it.!

If you want to discuss me and not the topic of this thread, then gather all your other Fascist NeoPartitionist friends and open a thread in the General section and have a good time.!

How do you know I am not an elected official and yes Id rather discuss on this thread why you are anti-TC? answer the question everyone can see you are biased and your views are totally one sided not once have you said anything remotely in favor of the TCs or against the GCs tell us all why???

If you are a elected official, you can only be for the Fascist NeoPartitonist Party, therefore I will oppose you at every turn. So, tell us which political party you are elected to if you want us to believe you are elected to anything.

I'm willing to accept anything TC as long as it does not violate Cypriots Democratic, Human Rights and International Laws, which you yourself can't find one for me to support. The decent TCs are helpless in the hands of Fascists like yourself in the north. I'm certain they welcome all my points of views that opposes Fascist NeoPartitionist like yourself and all your Fascist friends.

Now, tell me why my original post couple of days ago pissed you off so much.? You don't think I'm the only person who knows as to why Christofias does not want to hold a "joint statement" for the reasons I've stated, do you.? If you want to talk about the topic of this thread, I'm willing, but if you want to talk about me, then go and open another thread in the General Section, because I don't have time to waste with your bullshit.!

Any crediblity you had left has just gone out of the window, try answering the question your tactics will not work with me. Im sure all Tcs would like to know why you are so one sided, I dont see any Tcs supporting your stance which is 100% in line with GCs.

Any crediblity you had left has just gone out of the window

You are the last person who should be giving any "credibility guidance/ standards" to anyone. It will be like a life long whore giving a lecture to young women in wanting to become nuns on Morality and Abstinence.!

try answering the question your tactics will not work with me

You mean like when you don't answer my questions because you are scared I might do this to you.!

Im not putting anything forward for you to rip to shreds, fell into that trap to many times.

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.p ... ht=#461955

Im sure all Tcs would like to know why you are so one sided, I dont see any Tcs supporting your stance which is 100% in line with GCs.

I support for Cyprus and for ALL Cypriots a settlement based on True Federation, True Democracy, Human Rights, International Laws and EU Principles, and if the GCs support the above principles as the case is with the EU and the west in general, I welcome them all, including any TCs whom too support those principles. But you are insinuating, that the TCs cannot support such basic fundamental principles in Cyprus because they are all Fascists NeoPartitionist, just because you are one, therefore all the rest of the TCs must be one also. I don't know how you get can that over inflated egotistic and arrogant head of yours through the door every time you leave your house in the mornings and manage to get back in again at nights.?