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[YFred]

One thing that they have agreed on is that, 'they have agreed on NOTHING'.!!

That's a contradiction is it not? If they agree that thay agree on nothing, then they surely agree on 1 nothing.
Don't you believe it Deniz, if there were no agreements, Why would UN ask for an anouncement.
Muhtar X has changed and has no wish to help Talat win. I suspect he has done a TPapa and is now against an agreement wishing to see Eroglu come to power, with him he thinks he can delay the agreement for ever.

There is a very good reason as to why Christofias does not want to give a joint statement on what has been agreed on so far, BECAUSE, it seems like what has been agreed to mostly has to do with power sharing, the rotating presidency and BBF concept, and from what the GCs see it, they see it all this as their compromise for a solution and yet nothing from the TC side for their compromise on property, settlers, and land adjustment, troops, Turkey's guarantees and so on, therefore, if a joint statement is given now, the TCs and the world will accept the GCs compromise as being set in stone and nothing from the other side, so, in the event the talks break off and another one starts in the future, everyone will expect the negotiations to start from what the GCs already agreed on, which will give the TCs the upper hand. No, I agree with Christofias, when everything is agreed on, good or bad, then let everyone show their hands.!

No closer to joint declaration

"The concern appears to be centred around the fact that any document agreed by the two leaders could be interpreted as some kind of preliminary agreement, binding either side in the future."

http://www.cyprus-mail.com/cyprus/no-cl ... n/20100330

Well, here is a report from "Cyprus Mail" that pretty much repeats what I've stated in my above post 10 days earlier. DT was of course correct to support my position as to why Christofias does not want to give a "joint statement" on what has been agreed to so far, just because of the reasons what I and "Cyprus Mail" stated.!

I wonder if VP is now going to accuse the "Cyprus Mail" as being anti TC.!

Isn't CM saying that it was Muhtar X's thought. What's wrong with that. CM is not saying whether it is right or wrong, just saying what Muhtar X is thinking.

The point is, YFred, I was able to give you an insight 10 days earlier of the same arguments, which was not appreciated or accepted by some as to the reasons why Christofias did not want to give a "joint statement" for the reasons I had stated, so now, you are getting it from the "horse's mouth" this time, communicated by the "Cyprus Mail". So lets see you guys shoot this messenger (CM) down for giving you the same reasons I gave, only 10 days later.!

At the expense of repeating myself, that was not Cyprus mail's opinion, it was what they though Muhtar X's opinon was. Anyway, any words about Talats 3 hour lone statement about progress so far? Anybody, Halil?

[Kikapu]

Talking of de-railing every thread can we have his highnesses opinion on Muhtaro X not wanting to make a joint statement regarding agreement so far?
If you please Ağa bey, just to save me looking for it you understand.

There is a very good reason as to why Christofias does not want to give a joint statement on what has been agreed on so far, BECAUSE, it seems like what has been agreed to mostly has to do with power sharing, the rotating presidency and BBF concept, and from what the GCs see it, they see it all this as their compromise for a solution and yet nothing from the TC side for their compromise on property, settlers, and land adjustment, troops, Turkey's guarantees and so on, therefore, if a joint statement is given now, the TCs and the world will accept the GCs compromise as being set in stone and nothing from the other side, so, in the event the talks break off and another one starts in the future, everyone will expect the negotiations to start from what the GCs already agreed on, which will give the TCs the upper hand. No, I agree with Christofias, when everything is agreed on, good or bad, then let everyone show their hands.!

Absolute ballderdash, old boy. They have been negotiating for decades and found a way to go back to square one 14 months ago. If there is any new negotiations, why should it bother them now?
Can we have the real reason rather than an excuse please?

Give a "real reason" to what.?? I gave an opinion, that's all.!

Of course, the 2004 Annan Plan and it's contents was the desired starting point for Talat which he tried hard in these talks, were they not, so once something is on paper from the leaders in negotiation, whether approved or not later, can be tried to be used again in the next round of talks, NO.??

So let me ask you and see if you can give an honest answer, as hard as it may be for you, which is, what part of my above post is "anti TCs".???

At the expense of repeating myself, that was not Cyprus mail's opinion, it was what they though Muhtar X's opinon was.

Why are you always so confused, YFred.?

The above was our previous conversation, YFred, which I was clearly giving you an insight what Christofias's reasons would be for not wanting to give a "joint statement" which the CM relayed those exact thoughts of Christofias. I was able to tell you what Christofias was thinking 10 days before CM told you what Chriistofias was thinking.

Why are you always so confused, YFred.??

[Kikapu]

One thing that they have agreed on is that, 'they have agreed on NOTHING'.!!

That's a contradiction is it not? If they agree that thay agree on nothing, then they surely agree on 1 nothing.
Don't you believe it Deniz, if there were no agreements, Why would UN ask for an anouncement.
Muhtar X has changed and has no wish to help Talat win. I suspect he has done a TPapa and is now against an agreement wishing to see Eroglu come to power, with him he thinks he can delay the agreement for ever.

There is a very good reason as to why Christofias does not want to give a joint statement on what has been agreed on so far, BECAUSE, it seems like what has been agreed to mostly has to do with power sharing, the rotating presidency and BBF concept, and from what the GCs see it, they see it all this as their compromise for a solution and yet nothing from the TC side for their compromise on property, settlers, and land adjustment, troops, Turkey's guarantees and so on, therefore, if a joint statement is given now, the TCs and the world will accept the GCs compromise as being set in stone and nothing from the other side, so, in the event the talks break off and another one starts in the future, everyone will expect the negotiations to start from what the GCs already agreed on, which will give the TCs the upper hand. No, I agree with Christofias, when everything is agreed on, good or bad, then let everyone show their hands.!

No closer to joint declaration

"The concern appears to be centred around the fact that any document agreed by the two leaders could be interpreted as some kind of preliminary agreement, binding either side in the future."

http://www.cyprus-mail.com/cyprus/no-cl ... n/20100330

Well, here is a report from "Cyprus Mail" that pretty much repeats what I've stated in my above post 10 days earlier. DT was of course correct to support my position as to why Christofias does not want to give a "joint statement" on what has been agreed to so far, just because of the reasons what I and "Cyprus Mail" stated.!

I wonder if VP is now going to accuse the "Cyprus Mail" as being anti TC.!

Isn't CM saying that it was Muhtar X's thought. What's wrong with that. CM is not saying whether it is right or wrong, just saying what Muhtar X is thinking.

The point is, YFred, I was able to give you an insight 10 days earlier of the same arguments, which was not appreciated or accepted by some as to the reasons why Christofias did not want to give a "joint statement" for the reasons I had stated, so now, you are getting it from the "horse's mouth" this time, communicated by the "Cyprus Mail". So lets see you guys shoot this messenger (CM) down for giving you the same reasons I gave, only 10 days later.!

At the expense of repeating myself, that was not Cyprus mail's opinion, it was what they though Muhtar X's opinon was. Anyway, any words about Talats 3 hour lone statement about progress so far? Anybody, Halil?

The "horses mouth" was meant to be Christofias , of course, but you seemed to have missed that one , I guess.!

[YFred]

One thing that they have agreed on is that, 'they have agreed on NOTHING'.!!

That's a contradiction is it not? If they agree that thay agree on nothing, then they surely agree on 1 nothing.
Don't you believe it Deniz, if there were no agreements, Why would UN ask for an anouncement.
Muhtar X has changed and has no wish to help Talat win. I suspect he has done a TPapa and is now against an agreement wishing to see Eroglu come to power, with him he thinks he can delay the agreement for ever.

There is a very good reason as to why Christofias does not want to give a joint statement on what has been agreed on so far, BECAUSE, it seems like what has been agreed to mostly has to do with power sharing, the rotating presidency and BBF concept, and from what the GCs see it, they see it all this as their compromise for a solution and yet nothing from the TC side for their compromise on property, settlers, and land adjustment, troops, Turkey's guarantees and so on, therefore, if a joint statement is given now, the TCs and the world will accept the GCs compromise as being set in stone and nothing from the other side, so, in the event the talks break off and another one starts in the future, everyone will expect the negotiations to start from what the GCs already agreed on, which will give the TCs the upper hand. No, I agree with Christofias, when everything is agreed on, good or bad, then let everyone show their hands.!

No closer to joint declaration

"The concern appears to be centred around the fact that any document agreed by the two leaders could be interpreted as some kind of preliminary agreement, binding either side in the future."

http://www.cyprus-mail.com/cyprus/no-cl ... n/20100330

Well, here is a report from "Cyprus Mail" that pretty much repeats what I've stated in my above post 10 days earlier. DT was of course correct to support my position as to why Christofias does not want to give a "joint statement" on what has been agreed to so far, just because of the reasons what I and "Cyprus Mail" stated.!

I wonder if VP is now going to accuse the "Cyprus Mail" as being anti TC.!

Isn't CM saying that it was Muhtar X's thought. What's wrong with that. CM is not saying whether it is right or wrong, just saying what Muhtar X is thinking.

The point is, YFred, I was able to give you an insight 10 days earlier of the same arguments, which was not appreciated or accepted by some as to the reasons why Christofias did not want to give a "joint statement" for the reasons I had stated, so now, you are getting it from the "horse's mouth" this time, communicated by the "Cyprus Mail". So lets see you guys shoot this messenger (CM) down for giving you the same reasons I gave, only 10 days later.!

At the expense of repeating myself, that was not Cyprus mail's opinion, it was what they though Muhtar X's opinon was. Anyway, any words about Talats 3 hour lone statement about progress so far? Anybody, Halil?

The "horses mouth" was meant to be Christofias , of course, but you seemed to have missed that one , I guess.!

You were saying that Cyprus mail was saying it. Now who is being confused again? Them old age pills are not doing you any good what so ever.
Not being a gambler, horses don't mean a thing to me.
As to being confused, I used to be indecisive, now I am not so sure.

[Kikapu]

One thing that they have agreed on is that, 'they have agreed on NOTHING'.!!

That's a contradiction is it not? If they agree that thay agree on nothing, then they surely agree on 1 nothing.
Don't you believe it Deniz, if there were no agreements, Why would UN ask for an anouncement.
Muhtar X has changed and has no wish to help Talat win. I suspect he has done a TPapa and is now against an agreement wishing to see Eroglu come to power, with him he thinks he can delay the agreement for ever.

There is a very good reason as to why Christofias does not want to give a joint statement on what has been agreed on so far, BECAUSE, it seems like what has been agreed to mostly has to do with power sharing, the rotating presidency and BBF concept, and from what the GCs see it, they see it all this as their compromise for a solution and yet nothing from the TC side for their compromise on property, settlers, and land adjustment, troops, Turkey's guarantees and so on, therefore, if a joint statement is given now, the TCs and the world will accept the GCs compromise as being set in stone and nothing from the other side, so, in the event the talks break off and another one starts in the future, everyone will expect the negotiations to start from what the GCs already agreed on, which will give the TCs the upper hand. No, I agree with Christofias, when everything is agreed on, good or bad, then let everyone show their hands.!

No closer to joint declaration

"The concern appears to be centred around the fact that any document agreed by the two leaders could be interpreted as some kind of preliminary agreement, binding either side in the future."

http://www.cyprus-mail.com/cyprus/no-cl ... n/20100330

Well, here is a report from "Cyprus Mail" that pretty much repeats what I've stated in my above post 10 days earlier. DT was of course correct to support my position as to why Christofias does not want to give a "joint statement" on what has been agreed to so far, just because of the reasons what I and "Cyprus Mail" stated.!

I wonder if VP is now going to accuse the "Cyprus Mail" as being anti TC.!

Isn't CM saying that it was Muhtar X's thought. What's wrong with that. CM is not saying whether it is right or wrong, just saying what Muhtar X is thinking.

The point is, YFred, I was able to give you an insight 10 days earlier of the same arguments, which was not appreciated or accepted by some as to the reasons why Christofias did not want to give a "joint statement" for the reasons I had stated, so now, you are getting it from the "horse's mouth" this time, communicated by the "Cyprus Mail". So lets see you guys shoot this messenger (CM) down for giving you the same reasons I gave, only 10 days later.!

At the expense of repeating myself, that was not Cyprus mail's opinion, it was what they though Muhtar X's opinon was. Anyway, any words about Talats 3 hour lone statement about progress so far? Anybody, Halil?

The "horses mouth" was meant to be Christofias , of course, but you seemed to have missed that one , I guess.!

You were saying that Cyprus mail was saying it. Now who is being confused again? Them old age pills are not doing you any good what so ever.
Not being a gambler, horses don't mean a thing to me.
As to being confused, I used to be indecisive, now I am not so sure.

Cyprus Mail reported it. How difficult is that for you to understand that..?

Anyway, it seems like you want to play dumb & stupid to try and avoid facing your previous remarks on this topic.!

I'll leave you to it.!