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[DT.]

Atatürk is ONLY known to everyone, including the Turks, as Mustafa Kemal, therefore, his last name is K-E-M-A-L. No one knows his original birth "surname". Go ahead and ask anyone what Atatürk's last name is, and they will tell you it is K-E-M-A-L. That is all that it matters.!

zübeyde'nin oğlu rüşdiyeyi çok sevdi. mektebe bağlandı. derslere ve mektebin havasına alıştı. orada iyi, anlayışlı hocalar buldu. ilkokulda çil yüzlü, çopur hafız nuri'nin mülkiye rüşdiyesinde kaygısız bir derbeder olan kaymak hafız'ın onun üstündeki baskılarına ve ruhunda yarattıkları ürküntüye karşılık askeri rüştiyede aritmetik öğretmeni yüzbaşı mustafa, fransızca öğretmeni yüzbaşı naki, cimnastik öğretmeni teğmen hasip efendiler gibi değerli ve teşvik edici hocalar vardı. hatta bunlardan aritmetik öğretmeni, yüzbaşı mustafa efendi bir gün ona mustafa'nın bütün hayatı boyunca kendine mal olacak ve ileride bütün dünyanın öğreneceği bir ismi hediye etti: kemal!

- oğlum senin adın mustafa, benim de öyle. bu böyle olmayacak. arada bir fark bulunmalı. bundan sonra senin adın mustafa kemal olsun.

o günden sonra da mustafa'nın adı mustafa kemal oldu. adın seçilişi çok yerindeydi. kemal, olgunluk anlamındadır. küçük mustafa da yaşından daha olgun görünüyordu. çalışkandı. hele aritmetiğe karşı ayrı bir bağlılığı vardı. yüzbaşı mustafa efendi'nin ona yeni bir ad seçerken, bu hem yüzü, hem ruhu ile güzel, çalışkan ve ciddi çocuğun kendisinde uyandırdığı olumlu hayranlığın etkisi altında kalmış olması mümkündür.

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Even 5 yo kids in Türkiye and KKTC know this story. Kemal is his second name, not a surname. Stay in south cyprus rum ve asla Atatürk'ün adını ağzına alma. You are a dirty rum and that is all it matters.

No body claimed he was born with the name KEMAL you idiot, but KEMAL became his last name from early age, therefore his last name is KEMAL. Atatürk chose to keep the name KEMAL from then on, and that's the way it is written for the large majority of his life. It is no different than thousands of TCs in the "trnc" who had been forced to change their surnames to a new one, therefore they too now have something different name than the names they had when they were born, at least before1974. Any name one chooses to become their surname, that's the name they will be known as, much like what women often do, by taking on their husbands last name to become their own. KEMAL too became Atatürk's last name and surname had also become KEMAL, which was different than what it was when he was born.

Now go back and join your class with the 5 year olds. That's just about your level of intelegence to think you can fool anyone with your doctored ABBAS video.!

Still the same shit from the ignorant rum. Seems like noone in south cyprus told him anything about the "soyadı kanunu".

http://www.ataturkiye.com/devrimleri/soyadikanunu.html

It was introduced in 1934 and until then there were no surnames. So Kemal can only be his name dirty rum. Now go back to where you belong...holy resting place of Makarios and Pap'los: cehennem.

Hey skidmark! How's uncle Zan?

Dear south cypriot,

Kindly teach soyadı kanunu to the ignorant rum please.

So when did you first realise you wanted to be Greek?

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[runaway]

silence again. rum kikapu has screwed big time

[Kikapu]

silence again. rum kikapu has screwed big time

[runaway]

You won't be able to get away with this easily rum. So what was it again you said? Kemal is his surname and it's known to everyone. rum kikapu has no idea what soyadı kanunu is about and he's pretending to be a TC on this forum. Your mask is down rum.

[paliometoxo]

i never understood why tcs pretend to be gcs and vice versa, we have had a lot of gcs or tcs whoa re pro for the other side and we all say your really gc or tc..

[Kikapu]

One thing that they have agreed on is that, 'they have agreed on NOTHING'.!!

That's a contradiction is it not? If they agree that thay agree on nothing, then they surely agree on 1 nothing.
Don't you believe it Deniz, if there were no agreements, Why would UN ask for an anouncement.
Muhtar X has changed and has no wish to help Talat win. I suspect he has done a TPapa and is now against an agreement wishing to see Eroglu come to power, with him he thinks he can delay the agreement for ever.

There is a very good reason as to why Christofias does not want to give a joint statement on what has been agreed on so far, BECAUSE, it seems like what has been agreed to mostly has to do with power sharing, the rotating presidency and BBF concept, and from what the GCs see it, they see it all this as their compromise for a solution and yet nothing from the TC side for their compromise on property, settlers, and land adjustment, troops, Turkey's guarantees and so on, therefore, if a joint statement is given now, the TCs and the world will accept the GCs compromise as being set in stone and nothing from the other side, so, in the event the talks break off and another one starts in the future, everyone will expect the negotiations to start from what the GCs already agreed on, which will give the TCs the upper hand. No, I agree with Christofias, when everything is agreed on, good or bad, then let everyone show their hands.!

No closer to joint declaration

"The concern appears to be centred around the fact that any document agreed by the two leaders could be interpreted as some kind of preliminary agreement, binding either side in the future."

http://www.cyprus-mail.com/cyprus/no-cl ... n/20100330

Well, here is a report from "Cyprus Mail" that pretty much repeats what I've stated in my above post 10 days earlier. DT was of course correct to support my position as to why Christofias does not want to give a "joint statement" on what has been agreed to so far, just because of the reasons what I and "Cyprus Mail" stated.!

I wonder if VP is now going to accuse the "Cyprus Mail" as being anti TC.!

[YFred]

One thing that they have agreed on is that, 'they have agreed on NOTHING'.!!

That's a contradiction is it not? If they agree that thay agree on nothing, then they surely agree on 1 nothing.
Don't you believe it Deniz, if there were no agreements, Why would UN ask for an anouncement.
Muhtar X has changed and has no wish to help Talat win. I suspect he has done a TPapa and is now against an agreement wishing to see Eroglu come to power, with him he thinks he can delay the agreement for ever.

There is a very good reason as to why Christofias does not want to give a joint statement on what has been agreed on so far, BECAUSE, it seems like what has been agreed to mostly has to do with power sharing, the rotating presidency and BBF concept, and from what the GCs see it, they see it all this as their compromise for a solution and yet nothing from the TC side for their compromise on property, settlers, and land adjustment, troops, Turkey's guarantees and so on, therefore, if a joint statement is given now, the TCs and the world will accept the GCs compromise as being set in stone and nothing from the other side, so, in the event the talks break off and another one starts in the future, everyone will expect the negotiations to start from what the GCs already agreed on, which will give the TCs the upper hand. No, I agree with Christofias, when everything is agreed on, good or bad, then let everyone show their hands.!

No closer to joint declaration

"The concern appears to be centred around the fact that any document agreed by the two leaders could be interpreted as some kind of preliminary agreement, binding either side in the future."

http://www.cyprus-mail.com/cyprus/no-cl ... n/20100330

Well, here is a report from "Cyprus Mail" that pretty much repeats what I've stated in my above post 10 days earlier. DT was of course correct to support my position as to why Christofias does not want to give a "joint statement" on what has been agreed to so far, just because of the reasons what I and "Cyprus Mail" stated.!

I wonder if VP is now going to accuse the "Cyprus Mail" as being anti TC.!

Isn't CM saying that it was Muhtar X's thought. What's wrong with that. CM is not saying whether it is right or wrong, just saying what Muhtar X is thinking.

[Kikapu]

One thing that they have agreed on is that, 'they have agreed on NOTHING'.!!

That's a contradiction is it not? If they agree that thay agree on nothing, then they surely agree on 1 nothing.
Don't you believe it Deniz, if there were no agreements, Why would UN ask for an anouncement.
Muhtar X has changed and has no wish to help Talat win. I suspect he has done a TPapa and is now against an agreement wishing to see Eroglu come to power, with him he thinks he can delay the agreement for ever.

There is a very good reason as to why Christofias does not want to give a joint statement on what has been agreed on so far, BECAUSE, it seems like what has been agreed to mostly has to do with power sharing, the rotating presidency and BBF concept, and from what the GCs see it, they see it all this as their compromise for a solution and yet nothing from the TC side for their compromise on property, settlers, and land adjustment, troops, Turkey's guarantees and so on, therefore, if a joint statement is given now, the TCs and the world will accept the GCs compromise as being set in stone and nothing from the other side, so, in the event the talks break off and another one starts in the future, everyone will expect the negotiations to start from what the GCs already agreed on, which will give the TCs the upper hand. No, I agree with Christofias, when everything is agreed on, good or bad, then let everyone show their hands.!

No closer to joint declaration

"The concern appears to be centred around the fact that any document agreed by the two leaders could be interpreted as some kind of preliminary agreement, binding either side in the future."

http://www.cyprus-mail.com/cyprus/no-cl ... n/20100330

Well, here is a report from "Cyprus Mail" that pretty much repeats what I've stated in my above post 10 days earlier. DT was of course correct to support my position as to why Christofias does not want to give a "joint statement" on what has been agreed to so far, just because of the reasons what I and "Cyprus Mail" stated.!

I wonder if VP is now going to accuse the "Cyprus Mail" as being anti TC.!

Isn't CM saying that it was Muhtar X's thought. What's wrong with that. CM is not saying whether it is right or wrong, just saying what Muhtar X is thinking.

The point is, YFred, I was able to give you an insight 10 days earlier of the same arguments, which was not appreciated or accepted by some as to the reasons why Christofias did not want to give a "joint statement" for the reasons I had stated, so now, you are getting it from the "horse's mouth" this time, communicated by the "Cyprus Mail". So lets see you guys shoot this messenger (CM) down for giving you the same reasons I gave, only 10 days later.!

[EPSILON]

Why are GC administration partners against a joint statement pointing out what has been agreed so far?
Have the leadership lost all their senses? What have they got to loose by announcing what has been agreed. AT least it will revitalise this forum to show our bash patriot sheepriots how wrong they have been.
Especially after the decision on Orams’ case and then followed by the bombshell of ECHR recognising IPC which quite soon will lead to the biggest bombshell to be dropped by the UN which will drive our sheepriot patriots on the forum suicidal.

Deniz lets buy all the Prozac available on the market, we’ll make a killing.

Simple- no further indermediate agreements-all or nothing.Get out of Cyprus and Taltat will be your muchtar-not earlier!11`