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[Me Ed]

You may not see the fuss about this law, but Cyprus aside, its laws like this that make Turkey's EU ascension problematic.

Its an indication of a particular mind-set that passes laws like this and if you read the BBC article, what is worse is the way in which the law was passed.

This should give you an insight in the type of perception Turkey gives to wider Europeans, let alone Cypriot citizens, particularly when Turks take the moral high ground when it comes to human rights.

With a slight change of attitude, Turkey could be in the EU in the next 5-10 years.

Doesn't Ireland and Italy have laws against human rights?

I don't know.

What I do know is that Turkey is not going to improve its HR record by pointing at other countries.

I am not excusing what Turkey does. I am merely pointing at the inadequecy of this super club that everybody keeps going on about.

So if by your standards the superclub is inadequate, what does that make Turkey then?

[growuptcs]

You may not see the fuss about this law, but Cyprus aside, its laws like this that make Turkey's EU ascension problematic.

Its an indication of a particular mind-set that passes laws like this and if you read the BBC article, what is worse is the way in which the law was passed.

This should give you an insight in the type of perception Turkey gives to wider Europeans, let alone Cypriot citizens, particularly when Turks take the moral high ground when it comes to human rights.

With a slight change of attitude, Turkey could be in the EU in the next 5-10 years.

Doesn't Ireland and Italy have laws against human rights?

I don't know.

What I do know is that Turkey is not going to improve its HR record by pointing at other countries.

I am not excusing what Turkey does. I am merely pointing at the inadequecy of this super club that everybody keeps going on about.

This super club cleaned up all the bones in their own closets, while you stand guard watching that no one gets to your closet that wreaks of Cypriots.

[YFred]

You may not see the fuss about this law, but Cyprus aside, its laws like this that make Turkey's EU ascension problematic.

Its an indication of a particular mind-set that passes laws like this and if you read the BBC article, what is worse is the way in which the law was passed.

This should give you an insight in the type of perception Turkey gives to wider Europeans, let alone Cypriot citizens, particularly when Turks take the moral high ground when it comes to human rights.

With a slight change of attitude, Turkey could be in the EU in the next 5-10 years.

Doesn't Ireland and Italy have laws against human rights?

I don't know.

What I do know is that Turkey is not going to improve its HR record by pointing at other countries.

I am not excusing what Turkey does. I am merely pointing at the inadequecy of this super club that everybody keeps going on about.

So if by your standards the superclub is inadequate, what does that make Turkey then?

No different, same as the rest of them.

[Me Ed]

You may not see the fuss about this law, but Cyprus aside, its laws like this that make Turkey's EU ascension problematic.

Its an indication of a particular mind-set that passes laws like this and if you read the BBC article, what is worse is the way in which the law was passed.

This should give you an insight in the type of perception Turkey gives to wider Europeans, let alone Cypriot citizens, particularly when Turks take the moral high ground when it comes to human rights.

With a slight change of attitude, Turkey could be in the EU in the next 5-10 years.

Doesn't Ireland and Italy have laws against human rights?

I don't know.

What I do know is that Turkey is not going to improve its HR record by pointing at other countries.

I am not excusing what Turkey does. I am merely pointing at the inadequecy of this super club that everybody keeps going on about.

So if by your standards the superclub is inadequate, what does that make Turkey then?

No different, same as the rest of them.

Like an insecure Turkey that has laws against demonstrations and insulting Turkishness you keep telling yourself that.

[YFred]

You may not see the fuss about this law, but Cyprus aside, its laws like this that make Turkey's EU ascension problematic.

Its an indication of a particular mind-set that passes laws like this and if you read the BBC article, what is worse is the way in which the law was passed.

This should give you an insight in the type of perception Turkey gives to wider Europeans, let alone Cypriot citizens, particularly when Turks take the moral high ground when it comes to human rights.

With a slight change of attitude, Turkey could be in the EU in the next 5-10 years.

Doesn't Ireland and Italy have laws against human rights?

I don't know.

What I do know is that Turkey is not going to improve its HR record by pointing at other countries.

I am not excusing what Turkey does. I am merely pointing at the inadequecy of this super club that everybody keeps going on about.

So if by your standards the superclub is inadequate, what does that make Turkey then?

No different, same as the rest of them.

Like an insecure Turkey that has laws against demonstrations and insulting Turkishness you keep telling yourself that.

Lets sort out the economic suffocation with love of the TCs and then we'll get around sorting out Turkey and than the real culprit, USA.

[Me Ed]

You may not see the fuss about this law, but Cyprus aside, its laws like this that make Turkey's EU ascension problematic.

Its an indication of a particular mind-set that passes laws like this and if you read the BBC article, what is worse is the way in which the law was passed.

This should give you an insight in the type of perception Turkey gives to wider Europeans, let alone Cypriot citizens, particularly when Turks take the moral high ground when it comes to human rights.

With a slight change of attitude, Turkey could be in the EU in the next 5-10 years.

Doesn't Ireland and Italy have laws against human rights?

I don't know.

What I do know is that Turkey is not going to improve its HR record by pointing at other countries.

I am not excusing what Turkey does. I am merely pointing at the inadequecy of this super club that everybody keeps going on about.

So if by your standards the superclub is inadequate, what does that make Turkey then?

No different, same as the rest of them.

Like an insecure Turkey that has laws against demonstrations and insulting Turkishness you keep telling yourself that.

Lets sort out the economic suffocation with love of the TCs and then we'll get around sorting out Turkey and than the real culprit, USA.

I wish the two leaders could, but with the level of interference by Turkey its obvious what needs sorting out first.

[Acikgoz]

Turkey is highly unlikely to be able to enter into the EU before 2021 the end of the next budget period after the 2007-2013 budget period. So 5-10 years is not feasible with the mechanics of the budgeting methodology of the EU.

The issue I raised re. Boomie's trees for the wood comment - was the significance to the EU and Turkey - a HUGE number of people - vs south Cyprus - a TINY number of people - the welfare of as many people as possible. Get Cyprus in - bothered. Get Turkey in - now you're talking about the diversified powerhouse of the EU.

Human rights is an issue for Turkey, they are aware of it. The EU is aware of it, the whole purpose of chapters in the joining process is to bring about uniformity in the methods of governance and implementation to EU standards. By France using south Cyprus as a stalking horse for its own agenda has done what?If you really wanted normalisation then the issue of halting numerous chapters has done what?
A. You have helped dull the impetus for reform by adding excessive risks that even if unpopular reforms are enacted then there is still a significant chance that the goal of membership is not attained.
B. You have removed extensive areas where normalisation can be developed and implemented

Actions have consequences. It is short term expedient to bash Turkey, but long term you halt it from evolving in a manner that you would hope would be beneficial.

Many talk about "coffee shop" discussions when referring to the never ending dialogue, when you look more closely it is more like "football hooligan" discussion.

[YFred]

You may not see the fuss about this law, but Cyprus aside, its laws like this that make Turkey's EU ascension problematic.

Its an indication of a particular mind-set that passes laws like this and if you read the BBC article, what is worse is the way in which the law was passed.

This should give you an insight in the type of perception Turkey gives to wider Europeans, let alone Cypriot citizens, particularly when Turks take the moral high ground when it comes to human rights.

With a slight change of attitude, Turkey could be in the EU in the next 5-10 years.

Doesn't Ireland and Italy have laws against human rights?

I don't know.

What I do know is that Turkey is not going to improve its HR record by pointing at other countries.

I am not excusing what Turkey does. I am merely pointing at the inadequecy of this super club that everybody keeps going on about.

So if by your standards the superclub is inadequate, what does that make Turkey then?

No different, same as the rest of them.

Like an insecure Turkey that has laws against demonstrations and insulting Turkishness you keep telling yourself that.

Lets sort out the economic suffocation with love of the TCs and then we'll get around sorting out Turkey and than the real culprit, USA.

I wish the two leaders could, but with the level of interference by Turkey its obvious what needs sorting out first.

Interesting concept, why concentrate on a subject that you can sort out, when you can instead waste a bit more time looking at a problem you have been unable to solve and hope that both the problems go away by themselves. I've got news for you, it's been tried for 46 years and achieved nothing and it will achive nothing in the future too. Before you know it, TC will no longer be interested in the unification too. These elections coming up will show us a thing or two.

[Acikgoz]

I wish the two leaders could, but with the level of interference by Turkey its obvious what needs sorting out first.

That is the biggest cop-out ever.

What does Turkey have to do with:
Football matches played?
Any sporting event do TCs find huge lobbying initiatives to have them not participate?
Free trade between the north and EU?
etc.

Talk about abuse of rights.

[Kikapu]

I wish the two leaders could, but with the level of interference by Turkey its obvious what needs sorting out first.

That is the biggest cop-out ever.

What does Turkey have to do with:
Football matches played?
Any sporting event do TCs find huge lobbying initiatives to have them not participate?
Free trade between the north and EU?
etc.

Talk about abuse of rights.

Who ever thought that declaring an independence on part of a sovereign state by single community would NOT bring punishment and consequences upon that community living in that independence declared part of the sovereign nation, even if we were to ignore the occupation of Turkey on that same real estate.??