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[bill cobbett]

From the CY Mail, at

http://www.cyprus-mail.com/cyprus/turke ... y/20100314

We will all be aware of the tremendous contributions made by Messrs Candounas and Demitriades in the past.

The CY Mail reports on their reactions and their advice to the dispossessed on the way forward.

Here are some extracts ....

‘Refugees from Varosha should apply en masse to the property commission’
TURKEY IS bluffing about giving compensation to Greek Cypriot property owners, said top human rights lawyer Achilleas Demetriades yesterday.
He argued that one way of calling their bluff was for Famagusta refugees to apply en masse to the property commission in the north.
Demetriades called for some “lateral thinking” on how to call Turkey’s bluff following last week’s European Court of Human Rights (ECHR) decision which approved the Immoveable Property Commission (IPC) in the north as an effective remedy for Greek Cypriot property owners. The decision of the Strasbourg court effectively makes it mandatory for Greek Cypriot property owners who wish to take Turkey to the ECHR for occupying their lands, to pass through the IPC and the “High Administrative Court” in the north first.'

'Following the decision, Constantis Candounas, the lawyer who represented Meletis Apostolides in the Orams case, called on every Greek Cypriot refugee to apply to the IPC to seek restitution of their property rights.
Demetriades, who won a breakthrough case at the ECHR for refugee Titina Loizidou, argues that people must decide what they want to do. “If people want to apply to the commission to reach Strasbourg then they should go to the IPC. It doesn’t mean they have to apply. A lot won’t want to for emotional, political or moral reasons.
“If yes, however, then there should be a methodology in how people apply. Before deciding on an individual level, there is a need for some lateral thinking because I think Turkey is bluffing and cannot afford to pay the compensation for loss of use or effect restitution. Is it serious about giving a really effective remedy?”
He argued that one way of calling that bluff is to plan a first wave of applications for refugees from Varosha, the fenced-off part of Famagusta.
“We flood the commission with 10,000 applications. They will have to award compensation for loss of use from 1974 to 2010 plus interest,” he said, noting that the rate of compensation has already been set by the ECHR judgement on the Arestis case. “The indicator is there in the Arestis judgement.”
However, applicants will ask for restitution first and compensation for loss of use later. “They want to go home. What is the public interest of Turkey in not allowing restitution to the legal inhabitants of Famagusta? None. They cannot justify it,” said Demetriades.'


They're both saying flood the Turkish Scammission with applications for Varosi and elsewhere.

[DTA]

The varosi element is one that I identified, I even mentioned it to Deniz yesterday. If Turkey is serious about the IPC it may have to be given to the GCs to uphold the ECHRs ruling.

There is only one way in which Turkey may (and that is dubious) be able to hold the Integretty of the IPC and not return the GC to Varosi and that is the question of prior ownership of the Vakif foundation... I dont know how that will play out.

[DTA]

Oh and the mass applications is something that I already wrote and I said that it was a gamble. I think you accused me of being drunk Bill, or am I mistaken?

[vaughanwilliams]

From the CY Mail, at

http://www.cyprus-mail.com/cyprus/turke ... y/20100314

We will all be aware of the tremendous contributions made by Messrs Candounas and Demitriades in the past.

The CY Mail reports on their reactions and their advice to the dispossessed on the way forward.

Here are some extracts ....

‘Refugees from Varosha should apply en masse to the property commission’
TURKEY IS bluffing about giving compensation to Greek Cypriot property owners, said top human rights lawyer Achilleas Demetriades yesterday.
He argued that one way of calling their bluff was for Famagusta refugees to apply en masse to the property commission in the north.
Demetriades called for some “lateral thinking” on how to call Turkey’s bluff following last week’s European Court of Human Rights (ECHR) decision which approved the Immoveable Property Commission (IPC) in the north as an effective remedy for Greek Cypriot property owners. The decision of the Strasbourg court effectively makes it mandatory for Greek Cypriot property owners who wish to take Turkey to the ECHR for occupying their lands, to pass through the IPC and the “High Administrative Court” in the north first.'

'Following the decision, Constantis Candounas, the lawyer who represented Meletis Apostolides in the Orams case, called on every Greek Cypriot refugee to apply to the IPC to seek restitution of their property rights.
Demetriades, who won a breakthrough case at the ECHR for refugee Titina Loizidou, argues that people must decide what they want to do. “If people want to apply to the commission to reach Strasbourg then they should go to the IPC. It doesn’t mean they have to apply. A lot won’t want to for emotional, political or moral reasons.
“If yes, however, then there should be a methodology in how people apply. Before deciding on an individual level, there is a need for some lateral thinking because I think Turkey is bluffing and cannot afford to pay the compensation for loss of use or effect restitution. Is it serious about giving a really effective remedy?”
He argued that one way of calling that bluff is to plan a first wave of applications for refugees from Varosha, the fenced-off part of Famagusta.
“We flood the commission with 10,000 applications. They will have to award compensation for loss of use from 1974 to 2010 plus interest,” he said, noting that the rate of compensation has already been set by the ECHR judgement on the Arestis case. “The indicator is there in the Arestis judgement.”
However, applicants will ask for restitution first and compensation for loss of use later. “They want to go home. What is the public interest of Turkey in not allowing restitution to the legal inhabitants of Famagusta? None. They cannot justify it,” said Demetriades.'


They're both saying flood the Turkish Scammission with applications for Varosi and elsewhere.

No, they won't. Like any Cypriot government office, you will be given a number and your application will be processed in "good" time.
You can't even process the thousands of title deed applications you have outstanding in RoC and you expect the IPC to handle 10,000 from a standing start.
The IPC has already pre-empted this ploy in any case, by publicly stating that they will need more staff and bigger premesis to process the expected flood of applications. This shows the IPCs desire to be seen as an "effective remedy".

[DTA]

Thinking about the Varosha element further, the way for Turkey to comply to the conditions of the IPC but not give Varosha to the ROC is just that...

Anyone that applies gets there land back... but Varosha will still be under TRNC control, maybe this would be good time to open up that part of the Island it would see the GCs of varosha rightfully return to there homes, and keep the the IPC's integretty very much intact.

What was the population of Tc in Varosha?

[halil]

Do forum members knows how much that idiot lawer was asking to GC's to help them fill the application forums for IPC.....i will not tell it . hoping some of them will admit it in here.

How happy their for making money from the suffering people !!!!!!!!!

[Get Real!]

‘Refugees from Varosha should apply en masse to the property commission’

First they should secure a reasonable time limit imposed for the “IPC” to respond otherwise it’ll be a waste of time.

[bill cobbett]

Oh and the mass applications is something that I already wrote and I said that it was a gamble. I think you accused me of being drunk Bill, or am I mistaken?

No mate/matess you're not mistaken, and if you look back think you'll find posted in support of ... " UnCompromising Patriots" getting together in pilot cases to the Turkish Scammission, so still think you've been drinking.

...and see that Halil's been Eating again.

[bill cobbett]

‘Refugees from Varosha should apply en masse to the property commission’

First they should secure a reasonable time limit imposed for the “IPC” to respond otherwise it’ll be a waste of time.

Absolutely.

[DTA]

Oh and the mass applications is something that I already wrote and I said that it was a gamble. I think you accused me of being drunk Bill, or am I mistaken?

No mate/matess you're not mistaken, and if you look back think you'll find posted in support of ... " UnCompromising Patriots" getting together in pilot cases to the Turkish Scammission, so still think you've been drinking.

...and see that Halil's been Eating again.

Ok dont really understand that, but never mind.