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[YFred]

and your motto swallow boy...butt pain since 1570....jesus someone would think you would be used it by now...but in the usual forfarters tradition, still itching...

B25/Bumbo how is your bum.

my bum...full of shit...unlike your bum since 1570 swallow boy...

Bumbo, I did not ask you about your mouth, get someone to learn you which end is which, will ya? ask Bafidi or GR or even DeTarui, they know their bum from his moufs.

this answer from someone that hasn't got a clue where his mouth starts and his ass finishes since 1570, hey swallow boy?...

Bumbo stop talking with your arse and crapping from your mouth, you hear?

how the hell can you talk with your mouth full is beyond me...not only that it must run in the family since 1570, huh swallow boy?...

Bumbollaguimu you is doin it again. Stop it, you hear?

the least you could say is excuse me after a burp swallow boy...

Is that what your mother learned you. What a abuser mother you had old bean, what?

i have evolved and longer have the ability to decifer sounds into meaningful conversations, swallow boy since 1570 ...

i am off to bed and for you all the best with your constant burping...

Enjoy, but don't swallow too much tonight, you may get indegestion by the morning. Keep a bucket next to your bed just in case and what ever you do, don't kick it in the morning.

[denizaksulu]

Mothers are sacred beings and should not be abused. Comeon gents, behave civil to each other. You have had your laughs, now back to the topic. Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeese.

[boomerang]

and your motto swallow boy...butt pain since 1570....jesus someone would think you would be used it by now...but in the usual forfarters tradition, still itching...

B25/Bumbo how is your bum.

my bum...full of shit...unlike your bum since 1570 swallow boy...

Bumbo, I did not ask you about your mouth, get someone to learn you which end is which, will ya? ask Bafidi or GR or even DeTarui, they know their bum from his moufs.

this answer from someone that hasn't got a clue where his mouth starts and his ass finishes since 1570, hey swallow boy?...

Bumbo stop talking with your arse and crapping from your mouth, you hear?

how the hell can you talk with your mouth full is beyond me...not only that it must run in the family since 1570, huh swallow boy?...

Bumbollaguimu you is doin it again. Stop it, you hear?

the least you could say is excuse me after a burp swallow boy...

Is that what your mother learned you. What a abuser mother you had old bean, what?

i have evolved and longer have the ability to decifer sounds into meaningful conversations, swallow boy since 1570 ...

i am off to bed and for you all the best with your constant burping...

Enjoy, but don't swallow too much tonight, you may get indegestion by the morning. Keep a bucket next to your bed just in case and what ever you do, don't kick it in the morning.

hasn't your old man ever told you, you are a by product of a blow job yet, swallow boy?...come to think of it your whole clan is a by product of blow jobs starting from 1570...

goodnight all...

[YFred]

and your motto swallow boy...butt pain since 1570....jesus someone would think you would be used it by now...but in the usual forfarters tradition, still itching...

B25/Bumbo how is your bum.

my bum...full of shit...unlike your bum since 1570 swallow boy...

Bumbo, I did not ask you about your mouth, get someone to learn you which end is which, will ya? ask Bafidi or GR or even DeTarui, they know their bum from his moufs.

this answer from someone that hasn't got a clue where his mouth starts and his ass finishes since 1570, hey swallow boy?...

Bumbo stop talking with your arse and crapping from your mouth, you hear?

how the hell can you talk with your mouth full is beyond me...not only that it must run in the family since 1570, huh swallow boy?...

Bumbollaguimu you is doin it again. Stop it, you hear?

the least you could say is excuse me after a burp swallow boy...

Is that what your mother learned you. What a abuser mother you had old bean, what?

i have evolved and longer have the ability to decifer sounds into meaningful conversations, swallow boy since 1570 ...

i am off to bed and for you all the best with your constant burping...

Enjoy, but don't swallow too much tonight, you may get indegestion by the morning. Keep a bucket next to your bed just in case and what ever you do, don't kick it in the morning.

hasn't your old man ever told you, you are a by product of a blow job yet, swallow boy?...come to think of it your whole clan is a by product of blow jobs starting from 1570...

goodnight all...

Vromo Tzimbuki.

[Kikapu]

Following the decision, Constantis Candounas, the lawyer who represented Meletis Apostolides in the Orams case, called on every Greek Cypriot refugee to apply to the IPC to seek restitution of their property rights.
Demetriades, who won a breakthrough case at the ECHR for refugee Titina Loizidou, argues that people must decide what they want to do. “If people want to apply to the commission to reach Strasbourg then they should go to the IPC.

So whats the game plan here, I have been wondering to my self.? Why are these two well known lawyers are asking the GC refugees to go to the IPC to claim their properties back, when they know that the IPC or the courts in the north who are under the directions from Turkey, are not going to give very much back by declaring that they will not remove anyone from the homes of the GCs in the north to return the properties, siting the recent ECHR ruling.

There could be several reasons, but let me tell you what I think the game plan is. The plan is for the GCs to apply to the IPC and demand their properties that are fields, factories, hotels , and any other property that are not homes. By asking the IPC to return these properties, plus compensation for not being able to use them since 1974, the IPC or the courts in the north can hardly use the argument that they will be making anyone homeless. Once there are enough rejections by the IPC and the courts in the north, all these cases will end up on the door steps of the ECHR again, and this time, the ECHR will be find it very difficult to site it's own ruling as to why these GCs did not get their properties back. But at some point, these two lawyers will also make the case that the ECHR recent rulings are also Racists towards the GCs, by declaring, that it is only the GCs who are asked to take compensation for their properties in the north to avoid making people homeless. They can make the argument, that Turkey can compensate the occupants of the GCs properties instead to find another place to live and return the property back to the GC owner. How can the ECHR declare that people will be made homeless if Turkey is paying them (TCs, settlers and others) good money to vacate that property so that they can live somewhere else in the same village if they choose to. This can be cheaper for Turkey also. Now, we know why Turkey wants to buy as much GC properties as possible, but even if they bought every single GC property in the north with the money they do not have, that's all they have done, bought property and not 1/3 of a country to claim it for Turkey. All the properties they buy will have to remain in the territory of the RoC. Just by buying land does not mean you are buying part of a country, does it.??

But there is another problem for the TCs. It is Turkey that is buying these properties and not the TCs, which means, even if the north were to partition at some point, the TCs will own very little since 80% of the properties in the north belong to the GCs, which will become Turkey's. How would you like to have your partitioned part of Cyprus after decades of having Taksim Dreams, then let Turkey own 80% of it to do as she wishes with it that may not be so "health society friendly".In the meantime, since Turkey has paid for the GC properties in the north, the TCs will lose their own properties in the south, which are at a much higher premium than they were when the TCs took the so called "exchange" land, because whether the present status quo continues or by some miracle the north becomes partitioned off to become "Little Turkey", the economic situation in the north is doomed in relation to the EU standards. No amount of direct flights, direct trade is going to help the north to advance their present economy to make a dent in their living standards, specially once they have sold off the GCs land that they are holding now. The economy in the north will run in parallels with Turkey's, and despite the much gloating of Turkey's overall size of it's economy on the world's stage, it means very little to the average man on the street, because he will still remain poor to the Europeans.

So, what is the game plan I ask myself of what these two lawyers, Candounas and Demetriades are trying to do.??

[YFred]

Following the decision, Constantis Candounas, the lawyer who represented Meletis Apostolides in the Orams case, called on every Greek Cypriot refugee to apply to the IPC to seek restitution of their property rights.
Demetriades, who won a breakthrough case at the ECHR for refugee Titina Loizidou, argues that people must decide what they want to do. “If people want to apply to the commission to reach Strasbourg then they should go to the IPC.

So whats the game plan here, I have been wondering to my self.? Why are these two well known lawyers are asking the GC refugees to go to the IPC to claim their properties back, when they know that the IPC or the courts in the north who are under the directions from Turkey, are not going to give very much back by declaring that they will not remove anyone from the homes of the GCs in the north to return the properties, siting the recent ECHR ruling.

There could be several reasons, but let me tell you what I think the game plan is. The plan is for the GCs to apply to the IPC and demand their properties that are fields, factories, hotels , and any other property that are not homes. By asking the IPC to return these properties, plus compensation for not being able to use them since 1974, the IPC or the courts in the north can hardly use the argument that they will be making anyone homeless. Once there are enough rejections by the IPC and the courts in the north, all these cases will end up on the door steps of the ECHR again, and this time, the ECHR will be find it very difficult to site it's own ruling as to why these GCs did not get their properties back. But at some point, these two lawyers will also make the case that the ECHR recent rulings are also Racists towards the GCs, by declaring, that it is only the GCs who are asked to take compensation for their properties in the north to avoid making people homeless. They can make the argument, that Turkey can compensate the occupants of the GCs properties instead to find another place to live and return the property back to the GC owner. How can the ECHR declare that people will be made homeless if Turkey is paying them (TCs, settlers and others) good money to vacate that property so that they can live somewhere else in the same village if they choose to. This can be cheaper for Turkey also. Now, we know why Turkey wants to buy as much GC properties as possible, but even if they bought every single GC property in the north with the money they do not have, that's all they have done, bought property and not 1/3 of a country to claim it for Turkey. All the properties they buy will have to remain in the territory of the RoC. Just by buying land does not mean you are buying part of a country, does it.??

But there is another problem for the TCs. It is Turkey that is buying these properties and not the TCs, which means, even if the north were to partition at some point, the TCs will own very little since 80% of the properties in the north belong to the GCs, which will become Turkey's. How would you like to have your partitioned part of Cyprus after decades of having Taksim Dreams, then let Turkey own 80% of it to do as she wishes with it that may not be so "health society friendly".In the meantime, since Turkey has paid for the GC properties in the north, the TCs will lose their own properties in the south, which are at a much higher premium than they were when the TCs took the so called "exchange" land, because whether the present status quo continues or by some miracle the north becomes partitioned off to become "Little Turkey", the economic situation in the north is doomed in relation to the EU standards. No amount of direct flights, direct trade is going to help the north to advance their present economy to make a dent in their living standards, specially once they have sold off the GCs land that they are holding now. The economy in the north will run in parallels with Turkey's, and despite the much gloating of Turkey's overall size of it's economy on the world's stage, it means very little to the average man on the street, because he will still remain poor to the Europeans.

So, what is the game plan I ask myself of what these two lawyers, Candounas and Demetriades are trying to do.??

You have missed the whole point. IPC is not tasked to hand back properties in every case. They will decide just like roc, as to what can be given back and who can get just compensation. As per usual your understaning is way off the mark, as to Dickmitrades and Cuntounas, doings is not the issue but where they are heading and that is hell where their frinds are - Makarios, Grivas, Yorgadjis, TPapa is waiting for them.

[boulio]

yeah but say im a g/c and have a home and 10 acres next to the home.i understand that a t/c is in the home and should not be made homeless(according to the echr)however why cant they compensate me for the home and give me restituion for my ten acres?

[Kikapu]

Following the decision, Constantis Candounas, the lawyer who represented Meletis Apostolides in the Orams case, called on every Greek Cypriot refugee to apply to the IPC to seek restitution of their property rights.
Demetriades, who won a breakthrough case at the ECHR for refugee Titina Loizidou, argues that people must decide what they want to do. “If people want to apply to the commission to reach Strasbourg then they should go to the IPC.

So whats the game plan here, I have been wondering to my self.? Why are these two well known lawyers are asking the GC refugees to go to the IPC to claim their properties back, when they know that the IPC or the courts in the north who are under the directions from Turkey, are not going to give very much back by declaring that they will not remove anyone from the homes of the GCs in the north to return the properties, siting the recent ECHR ruling.

There could be several reasons, but let me tell you what I think the game plan is. The plan is for the GCs to apply to the IPC and demand their properties that are fields, factories, hotels , and any other property that are not homes. By asking the IPC to return these properties, plus compensation for not being able to use them since 1974, the IPC or the courts in the north can hardly use the argument that they will be making anyone homeless. Once there are enough rejections by the IPC and the courts in the north, all these cases will end up on the door steps of the ECHR again, and this time, the ECHR will be find it very difficult to site it's own ruling as to why these GCs did not get their properties back. But at some point, these two lawyers will also make the case that the ECHR recent rulings are also Racists towards the GCs, by declaring, that it is only the GCs who are asked to take compensation for their properties in the north to avoid making people homeless. They can make the argument, that Turkey can compensate the occupants of the GCs properties instead to find another place to live and return the property back to the GC owner. How can the ECHR declare that people will be made homeless if Turkey is paying them (TCs, settlers and others) good money to vacate that property so that they can live somewhere else in the same village if they choose to. This can be cheaper for Turkey also. Now, we know why Turkey wants to buy as much GC properties as possible, but even if they bought every single GC property in the north with the money they do not have, that's all they have done, bought property and not 1/3 of a country to claim it for Turkey. All the properties they buy will have to remain in the territory of the RoC. Just by buying land does not mean you are buying part of a country, does it.??

But there is another problem for the TCs. It is Turkey that is buying these properties and not the TCs, which means, even if the north were to partition at some point, the TCs will own very little since 80% of the properties in the north belong to the GCs, which will become Turkey's. How would you like to have your partitioned part of Cyprus after decades of having Taksim Dreams, then let Turkey own 80% of it to do as she wishes with it that may not be so "health society friendly".In the meantime, since Turkey has paid for the GC properties in the north, the TCs will lose their own properties in the south, which are at a much higher premium than they were when the TCs took the so called "exchange" land, because whether the present status quo continues or by some miracle the north becomes partitioned off to become "Little Turkey", the economic situation in the north is doomed in relation to the EU standards. No amount of direct flights, direct trade is going to help the north to advance their present economy to make a dent in their living standards, specially once they have sold off the GCs land that they are holding now. The economy in the north will run in parallels with Turkey's, and despite the much gloating of Turkey's overall size of it's economy on the world's stage, it means very little to the average man on the street, because he will still remain poor to the Europeans.

So, what is the game plan I ask myself of what these two lawyers, Candounas and Demetriades are trying to do.??

You have missed the whole point. IPC is not tasked to hand back properties in every case. They will decide just like roc, as to what can be given back and who can get just compensation. As per usual your understaning is way off the mark, as to Dickmitrades and Cuntounas, doings is not the issue but where they are heading and that is hell where their frinds are - Makarios, Grivas, Yorgadjis, TPapa is waiting for them.

I did not miss anything, YFred. The IPC and the north's courts will follow the letter of the ECHR ruling in not to give any property back, but how can the ECHR excuse itself from it's own ruling, when the GCs will be asking properties that does not make the TCs homeless by returning non house properties.??

As for your vicious condemnation of the two lawyers, what the hell is that all about. You have become a real Fascists of late..??

As for the RoC, they too now will eventually use the ECHR ruling to decline giving any TC properties back and instead offer silly money too to the TCs. Since there are 4 times more GC refugees in 4 times less TC properties than the north, all the TCs properties in the south must be occupied by the GC refugees.

[Kikapu]

yeah but say im a g/c and have a home and 10 acres next to the home.i understand that a t/c is in the home and should not be made homeless(according to the echr)however why cant they compensate me for the home and give me restituion for my ten acres?

That's my exact point, boulio. The IPC cannot make any excuses for not returning bare land at the very least and the ECHR cannot defend their own rulings either as to why not.!

[YFred]

Following the decision, Constantis Candounas, the lawyer who represented Meletis Apostolides in the Orams case, called on every Greek Cypriot refugee to apply to the IPC to seek restitution of their property rights.
Demetriades, who won a breakthrough case at the ECHR for refugee Titina Loizidou, argues that people must decide what they want to do. “If people want to apply to the commission to reach Strasbourg then they should go to the IPC.

So whats the game plan here, I have been wondering to my self.? Why are these two well known lawyers are asking the GC refugees to go to the IPC to claim their properties back, when they know that the IPC or the courts in the north who are under the directions from Turkey, are not going to give very much back by declaring that they will not remove anyone from the homes of the GCs in the north to return the properties, siting the recent ECHR ruling.

There could be several reasons, but let me tell you what I think the game plan is. The plan is for the GCs to apply to the IPC and demand their properties that are fields, factories, hotels , and any other property that are not homes. By asking the IPC to return these properties, plus compensation for not being able to use them since 1974, the IPC or the courts in the north can hardly use the argument that they will be making anyone homeless. Once there are enough rejections by the IPC and the courts in the north, all these cases will end up on the door steps of the ECHR again, and this time, the ECHR will be find it very difficult to site it's own ruling as to why these GCs did not get their properties back. But at some point, these two lawyers will also make the case that the ECHR recent rulings are also Racists towards the GCs, by declaring, that it is only the GCs who are asked to take compensation for their properties in the north to avoid making people homeless. They can make the argument, that Turkey can compensate the occupants of the GCs properties instead to find another place to live and return the property back to the GC owner. How can the ECHR declare that people will be made homeless if Turkey is paying them (TCs, settlers and others) good money to vacate that property so that they can live somewhere else in the same village if they choose to. This can be cheaper for Turkey also. Now, we know why Turkey wants to buy as much GC properties as possible, but even if they bought every single GC property in the north with the money they do not have, that's all they have done, bought property and not 1/3 of a country to claim it for Turkey. All the properties they buy will have to remain in the territory of the RoC. Just by buying land does not mean you are buying part of a country, does it.??

But there is another problem for the TCs. It is Turkey that is buying these properties and not the TCs, which means, even if the north were to partition at some point, the TCs will own very little since 80% of the properties in the north belong to the GCs, which will become Turkey's. How would you like to have your partitioned part of Cyprus after decades of having Taksim Dreams, then let Turkey own 80% of it to do as she wishes with it that may not be so "health society friendly".In the meantime, since Turkey has paid for the GC properties in the north, the TCs will lose their own properties in the south, which are at a much higher premium than they were when the TCs took the so called "exchange" land, because whether the present status quo continues or by some miracle the north becomes partitioned off to become "Little Turkey", the economic situation in the north is doomed in relation to the EU standards. No amount of direct flights, direct trade is going to help the north to advance their present economy to make a dent in their living standards, specially once they have sold off the GCs land that they are holding now. The economy in the north will run in parallels with Turkey's, and despite the much gloating of Turkey's overall size of it's economy on the world's stage, it means very little to the average man on the street, because he will still remain poor to the Europeans.

So, what is the game plan I ask myself of what these two lawyers, Candounas and Demetriades are trying to do.??

You have missed the whole point. IPC is not tasked to hand back properties in every case. They will decide just like roc, as to what can be given back and who can get just compensation. As per usual your understaning is way off the mark, as to Dickmitrades and Cuntounas, doings is not the issue but where they are heading and that is hell where their frinds are - Makarios, Grivas, Yorgadjis, TPapa is waiting for them.

I did not miss anything, YFred. The IPC and the north's courts will follow the letter of the ECHR ruling in not to give any property back, but how can the ECHR excuse itself from it's own ruling, when the GCs will be asking properties that does not make the TCs homeless by returning non house properties.??

As for your vicious condemnation of the two lawyers, what the hell is that all about. You have become a real Fascists of late..??

As for the RoC, they too now will eventually use the ECHR ruling to decline giving any TC properties back and instead offer silly money too to the TCs. Since there are 4 times more GC refugees in 4 times less TC properties than the north, all the TCs properties in the south must be occupied by the GC refugees.

Your feelings for two individuals who are determined to destroy the TC economy, first the construction and now the Tourism is just beyond belief.
Never mind Kicks, carry on mate. You are doing a wonderful job at bringing the two communities together.