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[Talisker]

I'm currently reading Bruce Chatwin's book 'The Songlines', the subject of the book being aboriginal songs describing ancient tracks connecting communities throughout Australia. The songlines also relate to the creation of the land and secrets of its past. Near the beginning of the book Chatwin gets into conversation with an aborigine in a bar in Alice Springs.

'Are you English' asked the aborigine.
'Yes,' I said.
'Why don't you go back home?'
He spoke slowly, in clipped syllables.
'I just arrived,' I said.
'I mean all of you.'
'All of who?'
'White men,' he said.
The whites had stolen his country, he said. Their presence in Australia was illegal. His people had never ceded one square inch of territory. They had never signed a treaty. All Europeans should go back to where they came from.

Captain James Cook is credited with claiming Australia for King George III in 1770, and the first European colonisation occurred in 1788. However, there is evidence of European ships sailing close to Australia much earlier, around 1606.
http://www.cultureandrecreation.gov.au/ ... anhistory/

Only a few decades earlier than this Cyprus was invaded by the Ottomans, the longterm consequences of which contribute to the current division, and political and military stalemate, on the island.

Does the aborigine in the bar in Alice Springs have a valid point? And if he does, then is there merit to the arguments of some on this forum that TCs, who are not the indigenous people of Cyprus, 'should go home to Turkey'? And in the general sense, has the mass migration of humans to different parts of the globe in recent centuries been to the overall benefit or detriment of mankind? Or is the cost to indigenous populations too high?

[Malapapa]

I'm currently reading Bruce Chatwin's book 'The Songlines', the subject of the book being aboriginal songs describing ancient tracks connecting communities throughout Australia. The songlines also relate to the creation of the land and secrets of its past. Near the beginning of the book Chatwin gets into conversation with an aborigine in a bar in Alice Springs.

'Are you English' asked the aborigine.
'Yes,' I said.
'Why don't you go back home?'
He spoke slowly, in clipped syllables.
'I just arrived,' I said.
'I mean all of you.'
'All of who?'
'White men,' he said.
The whites had stolen his country, he said. Their presence in Australia was illegal. His people had never ceded one square inch of territory. They had never signed a treaty. All Europeans should go back to where they came from.

Captain James Cook is credited with claiming Australia for King George III in 1770, and the first European colonisation occurred in 1788. However, there is evidence of European ships sailing close to Australia much earlier, around 1606.
http://www.cultureandrecreation.gov.au/ ... anhistory/

Only a few decades earlier than this Cyprus was invaded by the Ottomans, the longterm consequences of which contribute to the current division, and political and military stalemate, on the island.

Does the aborigine in the bar in Alice Springs have a valid point? And if he does, then is there merit to the arguments of some on this forum that TCs, who are not the indigenous people of Cyprus, 'should go home to Turkey'? And in the general sense, has the mass migration of humans to different parts of the globe in recent centuries been to the overall benefit or detriment of mankind? Or is the cost to indigenous populations too high?

All the uninvited Turks in the north should go home. Real Cypriots, on the other hand, whose allegiance is to the whole island and not to an overseas aggressor, should stay.

[DTA]

I'm currently reading Bruce Chatwin's book 'The Songlines', the subject of the book being aboriginal songs describing ancient tracks connecting communities throughout Australia. The songlines also relate to the creation of the land and secrets of its past. Near the beginning of the book Chatwin gets into conversation with an aborigine in a bar in Alice Springs.

'Are you English' asked the aborigine.
'Yes,' I said.
'Why don't you go back home?'
He spoke slowly, in clipped syllables.
'I just arrived,' I said.
'I mean all of you.'
'All of who?'
'White men,' he said.
The whites had stolen his country, he said. Their presence in Australia was illegal. His people had never ceded one square inch of territory. They had never signed a treaty. All Europeans should go back to where they came from.

Captain James Cook is credited with claiming Australia for King George III in 1770, and the first European colonisation occurred in 1788. However, there is evidence of European ships sailing close to Australia much earlier, around 1606.
http://www.cultureandrecreation.gov.au/ ... anhistory/

Only a few decades earlier than this Cyprus was invaded by the Ottomans, the longterm consequences of which contribute to the current division, and political and military stalemate, on the island.

Does the aborigine in the bar in Alice Springs have a valid point? And if he does, then is there merit to the arguments of some on this forum that TCs, who are not the indigenous people of Cyprus, 'should go home to Turkey'? And in the general sense, has the mass migration of humans to different parts of the globe in recent centuries been to the overall benefit or detriment of mankind? Or is the cost to indigenous populations too high?

Where the the Greeks the original inhabitants of Cyprus then?

If the answer is no, then maybe you should go back home?

[Oracle]

... is there merit to the arguments of some on this forum that TCs, who are not the indigenous people of Cyprus, 'should go home to Turkey'?

Yes, they should leave Cyprus, having never brought anything but trouble ... But, Turkey is too close and not actually their country either. So, what you are really saying is, they should go back to Mongolia

[Malapapa]

I'm currently reading Bruce Chatwin's book 'The Songlines', the subject of the book being aboriginal songs describing ancient tracks connecting communities throughout Australia. The songlines also relate to the creation of the land and secrets of its past. Near the beginning of the book Chatwin gets into conversation with an aborigine in a bar in Alice Springs.

'Are you English' asked the aborigine.
'Yes,' I said.
'Why don't you go back home?'
He spoke slowly, in clipped syllables.
'I just arrived,' I said.
'I mean all of you.'
'All of who?'
'White men,' he said.
The whites had stolen his country, he said. Their presence in Australia was illegal. His people had never ceded one square inch of territory. They had never signed a treaty. All Europeans should go back to where they came from.

Captain James Cook is credited with claiming Australia for King George III in 1770, and the first European colonisation occurred in 1788. However, there is evidence of European ships sailing close to Australia much earlier, around 1606.
http://www.cultureandrecreation.gov.au/ ... anhistory/

Only a few decades earlier than this Cyprus was invaded by the Ottomans, the longterm consequences of which contribute to the current division, and political and military stalemate, on the island.

Does the aborigine in the bar in Alice Springs have a valid point? And if he does, then is there merit to the arguments of some on this forum that TCs, who are not the indigenous people of Cyprus, 'should go home to Turkey'? And in the general sense, has the mass migration of humans to different parts of the globe in recent centuries been to the overall benefit or detriment of mankind? Or is the cost to indigenous populations too high?

Where the the Greeks the original inhabitants of Cyprus then?

No. The (original) inhabitants of a place are usually named after the place... In the case of Cyprus, it's Cypriots.

If the answer is no, then maybe you should go back home?

What? Cypriots in Cyprus are home.

[DTA]

I'm currently reading Bruce Chatwin's book 'The Songlines', the subject of the book being aboriginal songs describing ancient tracks connecting communities throughout Australia. The songlines also relate to the creation of the land and secrets of its past. Near the beginning of the book Chatwin gets into conversation with an aborigine in a bar in Alice Springs.

'Are you English' asked the aborigine.
'Yes,' I said.
'Why don't you go back home?'
He spoke slowly, in clipped syllables.
'I just arrived,' I said.
'I mean all of you.'
'All of who?'
'White men,' he said.
The whites had stolen his country, he said. Their presence in Australia was illegal. His people had never ceded one square inch of territory. They had never signed a treaty. All Europeans should go back to where they came from.

Captain James Cook is credited with claiming Australia for King George III in 1770, and the first European colonisation occurred in 1788. However, there is evidence of European ships sailing close to Australia much earlier, around 1606.
http://www.cultureandrecreation.gov.au/ ... anhistory/

Only a few decades earlier than this Cyprus was invaded by the Ottomans, the longterm consequences of which contribute to the current division, and political and military stalemate, on the island.

Does the aborigine in the bar in Alice Springs have a valid point? And if he does, then is there merit to the arguments of some on this forum that TCs, who are not the indigenous people of Cyprus, 'should go home to Turkey'? And in the general sense, has the mass migration of humans to different parts of the globe in recent centuries been to the overall benefit or detriment of mankind? Or is the cost to indigenous populations too high?

Where the the Greeks the original inhabitants of Cyprus then?

No. The (original) inhabitants of a place are usually named after the place... In the case of Cyprus, it's Cypriots.

If the answer is no, then maybe you should go back home?

What? Cypriots in Cyprus are home.

yes I agree and this includes turkish Cypriots as well.

[Malapapa]

I'm currently reading Bruce Chatwin's book 'The Songlines', the subject of the book being aboriginal songs describing ancient tracks connecting communities throughout Australia. The songlines also relate to the creation of the land and secrets of its past. Near the beginning of the book Chatwin gets into conversation with an aborigine in a bar in Alice Springs.

'Are you English' asked the aborigine.
'Yes,' I said.
'Why don't you go back home?'
He spoke slowly, in clipped syllables.
'I just arrived,' I said.
'I mean all of you.'
'All of who?'
'White men,' he said.
The whites had stolen his country, he said. Their presence in Australia was illegal. His people had never ceded one square inch of territory. They had never signed a treaty. All Europeans should go back to where they came from.

Captain James Cook is credited with claiming Australia for King George III in 1770, and the first European colonisation occurred in 1788. However, there is evidence of European ships sailing close to Australia much earlier, around 1606.
http://www.cultureandrecreation.gov.au/ ... anhistory/

Only a few decades earlier than this Cyprus was invaded by the Ottomans, the longterm consequences of which contribute to the current division, and political and military stalemate, on the island.

Does the aborigine in the bar in Alice Springs have a valid point? And if he does, then is there merit to the arguments of some on this forum that TCs, who are not the indigenous people of Cyprus, 'should go home to Turkey'? And in the general sense, has the mass migration of humans to different parts of the globe in recent centuries been to the overall benefit or detriment of mankind? Or is the cost to indigenous populations too high?

Where the the Greeks the original inhabitants of Cyprus then?

No. The (original) inhabitants of a place are usually named after the place... In the case of Cyprus, it's Cypriots.

If the answer is no, then maybe you should go back home?

What? Cypriots in Cyprus are home.

yes I agree and this includes turkish Cypriots as well.

Sure, if their allegiance is to the whole island and not to an overseas aggressor. I suggest you drop Turkey...

[DTA]

but getting back to the topic that the thread starter was hinting at the original inhabitants en mass was the Hittite empire so therefore is he or she stating that both GC and TC should go 'home'? what do you think?

[Get Real!]

but getting back to the topic that the thread starter was hinting at the original inhabitants en mass was the Hittite empire so therefore is he or she stating that both GC and TC should go 'home'? what do you think?

I think you're an idiot...

[denizaksulu]

I'm currently reading Bruce Chatwin's book 'The Songlines', the subject of the book being aboriginal songs describing ancient tracks connecting communities throughout Australia. The songlines also relate to the creation of the land and secrets of its past. Near the beginning of the book Chatwin gets into conversation with an aborigine in a bar in Alice Springs.

'Are you English' asked the aborigine.
'Yes,' I said.
'Why don't you go back home?'
He spoke slowly, in clipped syllables.
'I just arrived,' I said.
'I mean all of you.'
'All of who?'
'White men,' he said.
The whites had stolen his country, he said. Their presence in Australia was illegal. His people had never ceded one square inch of territory. They had never signed a treaty. All Europeans should go back to where they came from.

Captain James Cook is credited with claiming Australia for King George III in 1770, and the first European colonisation occurred in 1788. However, there is evidence of European ships sailing close to Australia much earlier, around 1606.
http://www.cultureandrecreation.gov.au/ ... anhistory/

Only a few decades earlier than this Cyprus was invaded by the Ottomans, the longterm consequences of which contribute to the current division, and political and military stalemate, on the island.

Does the aborigine in the bar in Alice Springs have a valid point? And if he does, then is there merit to the arguments of some on this forum that TCs, who are not the indigenous people of Cyprus, 'should go home to Turkey'? And in the general sense, has the mass migration of humans to different parts of the globe in recent centuries been to the overall benefit or detriment of mankind? Or is the cost to indigenous populations too high?

Tut, tut, tut Talisker. I always considered you an almost neutral contributor with a slight leaning to the GC point of view. How interesting that you should show your real feelings.

Its a stupid thread anyway and not even worth discussing. After years of mixed blood and all that, the Turkish Cypriots existence on the island is legal and we are on Cyprus to stay.