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Postby Oracle » Sun Mar 14, 2010 2:29 am

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Oracle wrote:Any Hittites on the island integrated/assimilated, as is normal.

The same goes for any Greeks that may have made their way here.

Exactly GR!

Greek or Cypriots; one and the same, as you rightly assert! :D

Quit putting words in my mouth you Spartan hooker! :evil:

Cypriots are above and beyond ALL races full stop!


Strange how the Genealogical project has the Cypriots as most closely related to today's modern day Greeks! (despite possibly a little contamination from Turks).

No they're NOT! Cypriots are most closely related to Phoenicians (modern day Lebanese)


Greeks and Cypriots have some 40% similarity to migratory markers. Phoenicians left at best a 7% heritable trait! :D

No problem, I don't dispute any mixing where scientifically validated.

Absolute CRAP! Not only have I observed non-Greek DNA reports but it's high time you looked at a map and started using common sense!


Common sense is biased. Scientific evidence is not. That Greeks and Cypriots have strong homologous migratory markers is indisputable. Same goes for Sicilians. :D

There is a small contributory factor from Phoenicians commensurate with their relatively small mixing ....
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Postby Get Real! » Sun Mar 14, 2010 2:51 am

DTA wrote:But the greeks come after the hittites so would not the language of cyprus be hittitian?

The Cypriot alphabet was in use from 1500 BC to about 300 BC but the spoken language itself would have to have been much older than that!
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Postby Get Real! » Sun Mar 14, 2010 2:54 am

Oracle wrote:There is a small contributory factor from Phoenicians commensurate with their relatively small mixing ....

Talk is cheap, I'll destroy you tomorrow with credible evidence!
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Postby Oracle » Sun Mar 14, 2010 2:59 am

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Postby Oracle » Sun Mar 14, 2010 3:12 am

Auton et al. [9] studied a sample of Greeks from Greece and Cyprus in a global context of 3,845 individuals based on about 450K SNPs. The results of the STRUCTURE analysis are shown below, with increasing number of clusters starting from K=2 (top row). The studied individuals from Greece (#15) and Cyprus (#9) appear unremarkable in this analysis. It is evident that, in comparison to worldwide populations, the studied Europeans are fairly homogeneous, composed primarily of the "red" component, with no apparent significant contributions from ancestral elements typical of other continental groups.



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Postby yialousa1971 » Sun Mar 14, 2010 3:15 am

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DTA wrote:But they were there before the Greeks were so should you not Assimilated in to the Hittite culture?


This is where you idiocy lets you down (again).

The predominant culture was Greek. Hard to digest?

Then, bugger off!


Are you saying that the Hittite culture was a greek culture?


What a fuckwittless brain you have. :roll:

For sure the Hittites were related to the early Greeks.

But by the time Cyprus was fully (recordable) Greek (about 12,000 BCE) the slight variations towards Hittites, introduced later, were minimal and the two integrated such as YOU never have.

The puzzle is why you think this is worthy of mention as it is not a problem to the history of Cyprus ... whereas you clearly are!

As I said, are there any Hittites disputing the Turks do NOT belong on Cyprus?


Hes probably the same fuckwit that said the Belgians are Turks. :lol:
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Postby yialousa1971 » Sun Mar 14, 2010 3:28 am

Get Real! wrote:
Oracle wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
Oracle wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
Oracle wrote:Any Hittites on the island integrated/assimilated, as is normal.

The same goes for any Greeks that may have made their way here.

Exactly GR!

Greek or Cypriots; one and the same, as you rightly assert! :D

Quit putting words in my mouth you Spartan hooker! :evil:

Cypriots are above and beyond ALL races full stop!


Strange how the Genealogical project has the Cypriots as most closely related to today's modern day Greeks! (despite possibly a little contamination from Turks).

No they're NOT! Cypriots are most closely related to Phoenicians (modern day Lebanese)


Thats what they say about Maltese but its proven to be crap!

Genetic origin of contemporary Maltese


The Times & The Sunday Times, Malta
Genetic origin of contemporary Maltese

Alex E. Felice


I refer to Roderick Bovingdon's interview with Professor Alexander Borg (The Sunday Times, July 22). In particular, I want to discuss the statements made by both regarding the genetic origin of the Maltese.

I am surprised that both your correspondents failed to refer to the only major study connected with the matter, and that has been published in the mainstream scientific literature.

Together with colleagues from other institutions across the Mediterranean and in collaboration with the group led by David Goldstein at the University College, London, we have shown that the contemporary males of Malta most likely originated from Southern Italy, including Sicily and up to Calabria. There is a minuscule amount of input from the Eastern Mediterranean with genetic affinity to Christian Lebanon.

Of course, females may have moved, or been moved, along a different route. We used a number of validated DNA markers on the Y chromosome, which are transmitted from male to male. The samples were obtained from an anonymous DNA bank of random newborn DNA that has approval of the research ethics committee of the University of Malta and is a founding member of Euro-Bio-Bank, thus providing for high standards in banking. The methods included state-of-the-art molecular biology and advanced IT tools.

We documented clustering of the Maltese markers with those of Sicilians and Calabrians. The study is published in the Annals of Human Genetics by C. Capelli, N. Redhead, N. Novelletto, L. Terrenato, P. Malaspina, Z. Poulli, G. Lefranc, A. Megarbane, V. Delague, V. Romano, F. Cali, V.F. Pascali, M. Fellous, A.E. Felice, and D.B. Goldstein; "Population Structure in the Mediterranean Basin; A Y Chromosome Perspective", AHG, 69, 1-20, 2005.
These data are fully consistent with other genetic data that we have collected over the last few years of intensive research connected with our service obligations in diagnostic molecular genetics. They are conducted from our Laboratory of Molecular Genetics, in the University of Malta for the Department of Health, Division of Pathology, St Luke's Hospital, and connected with our research program about the epidemiology of genetic disease in Malta. Many aspects of this research have been supported by competitive funding from the Framework Programmes for Research and Development of the Commission of the European Union (EU Avicenne and FP5-7).

In addition to the Y chromosome DNA typing, we have strong data about the distribution of haemoglobin disorders (Thalassaemia and Haemoglobin Variants, Scerri, 1998, Ph.D. thesis, University of Malta, and A.E. Felice et al., "Molecular Epidemiology of Haemoglobin and the Molecular Biology of in vivo Globin Gene Expression. Life Chemistry reports 15,1, 27-36, 1997) and "Human Leukocyte Antigens" (G. Dean, T.W. Yeo, A. Goris, C.J. Taylor, R.S. Goodma, M. Elian, A. Galea-Debono, A. Aquilina, A. Felice, M. Vella, S. Sawcer and D.A.S. Compston:. "HLA-DRB1 and multiple sclerosis in Malta", Neurology, 2007 in press).

We are aware of conflicting conclusions published as an interview in the popular National Geographic magazine. Despite an intensive search we cannot find them reproduced in the mainstream scientific literature. We consider that data somewhat flawed, and furthermore, unsound. National Geographic is not a peer-reviewed academic journal and thus the weight of the evidence is poor compared to other peer-reviewed academic journals that are also in the public domain. One cannot be comfortable with data that have not passed the scrutiny of peer review.

We stand to be corrected, but again, the DNA markers used appear to be limited and pre-date by far the population movements under investigation. The IT tools used also appear below today's standards. As far as we can tell, that study did not have research ethics approval of any research ethics committee in Malta, of the Department of Health or the University. We do not know what consent procedures have been used and consequently what bias could have been introduced into that study.

The most alarming observation is that, without an institutional base in Malta, we do not know what material transfer agreements were employed. We argue very strongly against the shipping of any human DNA from Malta to other organisations unless it is done within the context of specific agreements that determine the fate of the DNA after the contracted work, whether for diagnosis or discovery, has been finished.

Repopulation

The public should be cautious with regard to wild statements such as that "half of the Maltese are of Phoenician origin" and even more of the purveyors of testing kits supposedly intended to predict ancestry but based on weak science as I explained above. Contrary to the opinion of Bovingdon and Borg, it seems to me that the simplest explanation that cannot be excluded by any of the scientific data thus far available is that Malta was indeed barely inhabited at the turn of the tenth century.

Repopulation is likely to have occurred by a clan or clans (possibly of Arab or Arab-like speaking people) from neighbouring Sicily and Calabria.

Possibly, they could have mixed with minute numbers of residual inhabitants, with a constant input of immigrants from neighbouring countries and later, even from afar. There seems to be little input from North Africa.

Populations have a genetic structure. It is not easy to define, although it reflects origins to a certain extent. It often impairs association studies in the search for genes that have to do with common, complex disorders such as hypertension, heart disease, diabetes and others. Conditions such as these are thought to be due to the interplay of multiple genes with quantitative effects and that could differ in population origin.

One could say, for instance, that the genetics of Malta could be partly accounted for by assuming a relatively small number of relatively large families. Yet, there may be so-called "founder effects" by which a single person with a particular DNA abnormality, or mutation, that over time, spread it across a large segment of a population by virtue of an albeit unknown selective advantage. Thalassaemia could be a good example, if one believed that in a very distant time Malta was wet and marshy with good habitats for the mosquitoes.

The alternative explanation is that of "genetic drift". It occurs by random expansion without a specific advantage. It is easy to simulate on computers. We have strong evidence for "founding effects" only in two situations that we have studied intensively, that is, the Haemoglobinopathies and the Dopa Responsive Dystonias, or as we call them, the BH4 deficiencies or atypical phenylketonuria, with a carrier rate of around three per cent (see A.E. Felice et al., op. cit., R. Farrugia, C.A. Scerri, S. Attard Montalto, R. Parascandalo, B.R.G. Neville and A.E. Felice: "Molecular Pathology of TetrahydroBiopterin (BH4) Deficiency in the Maltese Population. Molecular Genetics and Metabolism" doi:10.1016/j.ymgme.2006.10.013 and B.R.G. Neville, R. Parascandalo, S. Attard Montalto, R. Farrugia and A.E. Felice: "A Congenital Dopa Responsive Motor Disorder: a Maltese Variant due to Sepiapterin Reductase Deficiency", Brain, 128, 2291-2296, 2005).

Scientific research of this kind, although apparently for the uninstructed basic and untargeted, is in fact very important beyond the unique cultural interests as to the origin of populations. It bears on public health issues as much as on fundamental knowledge into gene interaction, the molecular biology of common disease and the discovery of innovative genetic medicines.

Alex E. Felice, MD, Ph.D., is head of the Laboratory of Molecular Genetics, Department of Bio-Medical Science, University of Malta, and of the Division of Pathology, St Luke's Hospital.

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Postby Oracle » Sun Mar 14, 2010 4:08 am

Full source posted previously: Locate CYP, GRE and TUR ...

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Combine above data with:


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... considering the large geographical distance between Greece and Cyprus the homogeneity is impressive! :D
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Postby yialousa1971 » Sun Mar 14, 2010 4:27 am

From the Races of Europe by Carleton Stevens Coon.

It has long been believed by physical anthropologists that the quintessence of Near Eastern brachycephaly is to be found in the Armenians; the racial term Armenoid being named for them. The Armenians have long been established in the territory which is now only partly theirs; they had, before the arrival of the Turks, a powerful kingdom, which covered most of the territory between the Gulf of Alexandretta and the Caucasus. Their kingdom had its roots in the Early Iron Age, and a possible derivation, in part at least, from that of the Hittites.

Cyprus, an early center of maritime Bronze Age activity, is today inhabited by a Graeco-Turkish population, in which the Greeks, both linguistically and in religion, are the preponderant element.149 The living Cypriots are, like their Dinaric forebears, moderately tall, with a mean stature of 169 cm.; they are moderately brachycephalic, with a mean cephalic index of 82.5, and their anthropometric character in general is fully Dinaric.

Dinaric a blend of Alpines and Mediterraneans, Tesla being the most famous!


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Postby yialousa1971 » Sun Mar 14, 2010 4:33 am

Oracle wrote:
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Oracle wrote:The predominant culture was Greek. Hard to digest?

At the very least, the "Greek" language and Christian religion went to Greece from Cyprus so quit pinching credit from my country!


Back and forth GR! Perfect mixing. Great seafarers! :D


Forty-one Late Helladic skulls, dated between 1500 and 1200 B.C., and coming likewise from Argolis, may include those of some of the “divineborn” invaders. Among these, one-fifth are brachycephalic, and apparently largely of the Cypriote Dinaric type. Of the long-headed skulls, a large number belongs now to the larger, more heavily marked varieties, and fewer to the smaller Mediterranean The similarity to the northern types, and especially to the Corded, is even stronger than before. This increase in a non-Minoan direction may perhaps be attributed to the arrival of the ancestors of Homer's heroes.

From the races of Europe by Carleton Stevens Coon.
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