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How many TCs lived outside the protection of the enclaves ?

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Postby denizaksulu » Tue Mar 16, 2010 2:45 pm

GreekForumer wrote:Here is a table for the number of TCs killed or missing.

Sources :
1. http://www.kktc-sehitaileleri.org/
2. http://www.atcanews.org/archive/missing.pdf


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         Ages   Ages    Ages    Ages
         0-10   11-16   17-60   61+   Total
1955      .       .       .      .      .
1956      .       .      13      1     14
1957      .       2       7      .      9
1958      .       3      70     11     84
1959      .       .       1      .      1
1960      .       .       2      .      2
1961      .       .       3      .      3
1962      .       .       3      .      3
1963      8       3     207     13    231
1964      2       3     219     33    257
1965      .       1      25      .     26
1966      .       .      21      .     21
1967      3       4      52      7     66
1968      .       .       6      .      6
1969      .       .       3      .      3
1970      .       .       3      .      3
1971      .       .       7      .      7
1972      .       .       8      .      8
1973      .       .       3      .      3
1974     41      35     419     47    542

TOTAL    54      51    1072    112   1289



I have been advised by an unreliable GC source that around a third of TCs lived outside of the enclaves in the period 1967-1974.

I'm still waiting for an estimate from TC sources.

Did the Red Crescent/Red Cross/UN know how many TCs were in enclaves ?



Not all included on the first list were killed by Greek Cypriots. We established that more than a year ago on this forum.

The word 'shehit' was used to denote a variety of deaths, including 'bomb makers' in 1957/8. A link posted by Halil two years ago, explained the modes of death too. It needs to be closely scrutinised and filtered. For some reason I can no longer access that site.
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Postby YFred » Tue Mar 16, 2010 3:17 pm

denizaksulu wrote:
GreekForumer wrote:Here is a table for the number of TCs killed or missing.

Sources :
1. http://www.kktc-sehitaileleri.org/
2. http://www.atcanews.org/archive/missing.pdf


Code: Select all
         Ages   Ages    Ages    Ages
         0-10   11-16   17-60   61+   Total
1955      .       .       .      .      .
1956      .       .      13      1     14
1957      .       2       7      .      9
1958      .       3      70     11     84
1959      .       .       1      .      1
1960      .       .       2      .      2
1961      .       .       3      .      3
1962      .       .       3      .      3
1963      8       3     207     13    231
1964      2       3     219     33    257
1965      .       1      25      .     26
1966      .       .      21      .     21
1967      3       4      52      7     66
1968      .       .       6      .      6
1969      .       .       3      .      3
1970      .       .       3      .      3
1971      .       .       7      .      7
1972      .       .       8      .      8
1973      .       .       3      .      3
1974     41      35     419     47    542

TOTAL    54      51    1072    112   1289



I have been advised by an unreliable GC source that around a third of TCs lived outside of the enclaves in the period 1967-1974.

I'm still waiting for an estimate from TC sources.

Did the Red Crescent/Red Cross/UN know how many TCs were in enclaves ?



Not all included on the first list were killed by Greek Cypriots. We established that more than a year ago on this forum.

The word 'shehit' was used to denote a variety of deaths, including 'bomb makers' in 1957/8. A link posted by Halil two years ago, explained the modes of death too. It needs to be closely scrutinised and filtered. For some reason I can no longer access that site.

For my GC friend GreekForumer - 3 People from Lurucina were in an enclave, went to work on the GC side and have never been since. One worked in Nicosia General Hospital and answered the call of the roc on the radio to report to work as there were many casualties both GC and TC.
The other two worked on a GC farm. Missing to this day. Two were young men in their early 20's and the other had 3 children with another on the way.

May they rest in peace where ever they are.
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Postby Nikitas » Thu Mar 18, 2010 7:07 am

I do not know about residing outside enclaves, but from personal experience I know that all TCs were free to move about the island in 1973 and many were employed in GC areas. GCs were not allowed to enter any enclaves under any circumstances and travelling on some roads even in 1973 was only allowed with UN escorts.
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Postby denizaksulu » Thu Mar 18, 2010 10:07 am

Nikitas wrote:I do not know about residing outside enclaves, but from personal experience I know that all TCs were free to move about the island in 1973 and many were employed in GC areas. GCs were not allowed to enter any enclaves under any circumstances and travelling on some roads even in 1973 was only allowed with UN escorts.


I have no links unless one can find out in press archives, but people would get lost trying to escape enclaves. Also there were reports of the UN escorts having their arms siezed by the NG. If one searches the archives this can be seen to be true. These reports were published in the British press. Only if I had the time............
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Postby repulsewarrior » Sat Mar 27, 2010 7:01 am

...enclaves were inaccessible to Greeks, like gated communities, you could not do your shopping there so to speak. however, in the communities where they were "mixed", there was a respect communally.
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..although, i visited Galatia on many occasions with my uncle on business; if he was always tense there, it was because of extremists .

i remember traveling in the conveys at Larnaca too.
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