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[Naggie]

Thanks apc, but I do think this difference between government action and individual groups on a citizen level, to whatever size, is absolutely crucial. Terrorism acts are dealt with by citizen-led courts. War can only legally be declared on nations when they have declared an act or position themselves, irrespective of prior discussion.

Obviously, the idea of origin is already blurred by the existence of the quotes above and their relevant timings.

However, there simply must be a more justified position for Turkey's actions that I don't understand, for it seems far too obvious and illegal. It can't act against citizens, but only governments. And yet we have Denktash's quote above, which is staggering and contrary to all international law.

[YFred]

Naggie being enlighten by yfred on the cyprob is like learning about child care from myra hindley...

Now look here old chap, I have 7 wives and 18 children, so no wise cracks about childcare, dig?
What's the matter with everybody in the last few days, I am not even on the forum and constantly being attacked? What's goin on, is there a conspiracy amongst my GC friends against me? Can't understand this phenomenon? Can one of my friends please explain it?

[YFred]

Thanks apc, but I do think this difference between government action and individual groups on a citizen level, to whatever size, is absolutely crucial. Terrorism acts are dealt with by citizen-led courts. War can only legally be declared on nations when they have declared an act or position themselves, irrespective of prior discussion.

Obviously, the idea of origin is already blurred by the existence of the quotes above and their relevant timings.

However, there simply must be a more justified position for Turkey's actions that I don't understand, for it seems far too obvious and illegal. It can't act against citizens, but only governments. And yet we have Denktash's quote above, which is staggering and contrary to all international law.

The coup took place 15th July, GCs opposing the coupists were being killed from day one. In your Opinion when should have Turkey been allowed to intervene. Is it after perhaps 100 TCs were killed, or 1000 or 100,000? When do you think Turkey would have Legal and Legitemate right to protect TC as promissed by the 1960 agreement?

Personally I am pleased they acted as quick as they did becasue the GC NG was armed to the teeth and could have killed every TC on the island within a week.

[growuptcs]

Naggie being enlighten by yfred on the cyprob is like learning about child care from myra hindley...

Now look here old chap, I have 7 wives and 18 children, so no wise cracks about childcare, dig?
What's the matter with everybody in the last few days, I am not even on the forum and constantly being attacked? What's goin on, is there a conspiracy amongst my GC friends against me? Can't understand this phenomenon? Can one of my friends please explain it?

So, whos the lucky wife or child that gets to place the fez on your head everyday, while you sit on your Ottoman throne?

[YFred]

Naggie being enlighten by yfred on the cyprob is like learning about child care from myra hindley...

Now look here old chap, I have 7 wives and 18 children, so no wise cracks about childcare, dig?
What's the matter with everybody in the last few days, I am not even on the forum and constantly being attacked? What's goin on, is there a conspiracy amongst my GC friends against me? Can't understand this phenomenon? Can one of my friends please explain it?

So, whos the lucky wife or child that gets to place the fez on your head everyday, while you sit on your Ottoman throne?

If that is your idea of helping out by explaining things, you have failed miserably, now you can do better, next time try harder. Us Turks have moved on from the day of the fez and now have hats on like all good Europeans. We even use the same alphabet, unlike the greeks who are stuck in trojan times.

[wyoming cowboy]

Thanks apc, but I do think this difference between government action and individual groups on a citizen level, to whatever size, is absolutely crucial. Terrorism acts are dealt with by citizen-led courts. War can only legally be declared on nations when they have declared an act or position themselves, irrespective of prior discussion.

Obviously, the idea of origin is already blurred by the existence of the quotes above and their relevant timings.

However, there simply must be a more justified position for Turkey's actions that I don't understand, for it seems far too obvious and illegal. It can't act against citizens, but only governments. And yet we have Denktash's quote above, which is staggering and contrary to all international law.

The coup took place 15th July, GCs opposing the coupists were being killed from day one. In your Opinion when should have Turkey been allowed to intervene. Is it after perhaps 100 TCs were killed, or 1000 or 100,000? When do you think Turkey would have Legal and Legitemate right to protect TC as promissed by the 1960 agreement?

Personally I am pleased they acted as quick as they did becasue the GC NG was armed to the teeth and could have killed every TC on the island within a week.

you categorize all Gc with a few thugs getting their orders from the right wing junta and they getting their orders from the pentagon in Arlington Va. The Tmt 's orders were also coming from the same source, unfortunately the ordinary GC/TC were getting killed raped and lined up against lemon trees to be machine gunned down....These few bandits and ruffians were the catalyst put in place to destroy Cyprus as we knew it...I can honestly say that Eoka B were terrorist and bandits who betrayed their nation...same goes for the TMT.

[wyoming cowboy]

Thanks apc, but I do think this difference between government action and individual groups on a citizen level, to whatever size, is absolutely crucial. Terrorism acts are dealt with by citizen-led courts. War can only legally be declared on nations when they have declared an act or position themselves, irrespective of prior discussion.

Obviously, the idea of origin is already blurred by the existence of the quotes above and their relevant timings.

However, there simply must be a more justified position for Turkey's actions that I don't understand, for it seems far too obvious and illegal. It can't act against citizens, but only governments. And yet we have Denktash's quote above, which is staggering and contrary to all international law.

The coup took place 15th July, GCs opposing the coupists were being killed from day one. In your Opinion when should have Turkey been allowed to intervene. Is it after perhaps 100 TCs were killed, or 1000 or 100,000? When do you think Turkey would have Legal and Legitemate right to protect TC as promissed by the 1960 agreement?

Personally I am pleased they acted as quick as they did becasue the GC NG was armed to the teeth and could have killed every TC on the island within a week.

you categorize all Gc with a few thugs getting their orders from the right wing junta and they getting their orders from the pentagon in Arlington Va. The Tmt 's orders were also coming from the same source, unfortunately the ordinary GC/TC were getting killed raped and lined up against lemon trees to be machine gunned down....These few bandits and ruffians were the catalyst put in place to destroy Cyprus as we knew it...I can honestly say that Eoka B were terrorist and bandits who betrayed their nation...same goes for the TMT. The Gc population were overwhelmingly against the coup, and anyone saying otherwise does not know the Cyprus of pre 74. The Gc NG was split into right after the coup, the coupist would have had to defeat the remaining NG and overwhelm the popular opinion of the GC population. MY prediction is that the coupist would not have lasted more then ten days.

[denizaksulu]

Rather strange question miltades !
it is obvious the Turkish Army intervened to stop the killing of Turkish Cypriots. This had gone on since the 1950's.

It was started by the TCs in the 50s when they attacked innocent GCs and demanded our annihilation from half of our island:



The conflict that TCs started in the 50s was mostly over by 1968, but the Turks started the killings again in 1974.

Your claim that "the Turkish Army intervened to stop the killing of Turkish Cypriots" is a big fat lie. No TC was killed in 1974 until after the Turks invaded and with the help of TCs started to kill innocent GCs by the 1000s.

"only me", let me ask you a question, and I expect an answer: In World War II were the Nazi Germans the innocent side? The Germans had a lot of casualties as well during that war. Does this make them the innocent ones? Maybe, if we ignore the fact that they are the ones who STARTED the war by attacking others.

Neither you or us would have any casualties, if instead of choosing to attack and kill people trying to force what your minority wanted on Cyprus, you instead allowed the Cypriot people to freely, peacefully and democratically choose the destiny of their own island.

Apologies for my later than usual response.

[denizaksulu]

HI YFred,
Thanks for the info on Oracle...............is she really like her picture!!!!

You mean one eyed? yep.
Only joking. Deniz knows her, perhaps he could enlighten us.

On the forum, Oracle is a force to be reckoned with. As I have said more than once, if Oracle was in the TC camp, she would wipe the floor clean of the GCs.

[denizaksulu]

Give me strength. Why don't you people learn the history of your island. HOW MANY TIMES, this Cyprus problem did NOT start in 1974.

Correct! The Cyprus problem began in 1570 when the forefathers of the “Turkish Cypriots” came to Cyprus uninvited and murdered 20,000 Cypriots in the first day alone…

Throughout the period of Venetian rule, Ottoman Turks raided and attacked at will. In 1489, the first year of Venetian control, Turks attacked the Karpas Peninsula, pillaging and taking captives to be sold into slavery. In 1539 the Turkish fleet attacked and destroyed Limassol. Fearing the ever-expanding Ottoman Empire, the Venetians had fortified Famagusta, Nicosia, and Kyrenia, but most other cities were easy prey.

In the summer of 1570, the Turks struck again, but this time with a full-scale invasion rather than a raid. About 60,000 troops, including cavalry and artillery, under the command of Lala Mustafa Pasha landed unopposed near Limassol on July 2, 1570, and laid siege to Nicosia. In an orgy of victory on the day that the city fell--September 9, 1570--20,000 Nicosians were put to death, and every church, public building, and palace was looted. Word of the massacre spread, and a few days later Mustafa took Kyrenia without having to fire a shot. Famagusta, however, resisted and put up a heroic defense that lasted from September 1570 until August 1571.

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Nobody denies Greek Cypriots were killed in July August 1974. IT WAS A WAR.

It was a ONE SIDED SLAUGHTER and ETHNIC CLEANSING of indigenous Cypriots from 37% of their territory.

YOU instigated a Turkish intervention with Enosis and the Greek Coup. Read a History book of 1959-1974 (not a GC History text book) or just read the British and world papers of the time. It's all there.

Which "history books" would they be? What's all there?

GR says:"Correct! The Cyprus problem began in 1570 when the forefathers of the “Turkish Cypriots” came to Cyprus uninvited and murdered 20,000 Cypriots in the first day alone…"

Were the 20,000 allegedly killed Venetians or GO Cypriots? Did the author of this figure count all those killed and came up with such a lovely figure of 20, thousand? Not one more or one less. I bet my life it was written by a christian chronicler.

My sources quote Joseph Nasi the Jew, invited the Turks to safeguard the Cypriots against Venetian harrasment and the ethnically cleansing of Cypriot Jews at the time. But who cares?


As reported by Reuters no doubt. Never mind the Christian pirates and privateers supposted by the Knights of Malta attacking the Anatolian coast and the Pilgrimage sea routes to Mecca. How come no mention is made of these raids. It was a way of life fCs.