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cowboy so are the people who actually lived through those times lieing?

No they arent lying, because in some areas and some Tc villages there were problems, but the illusion that anyone that was a Tc was in danger of being killed is false. The Tc up until the 74 Turkish invasion worked, lived did business with the Gc throughout the island...In my village i saw many Tc working and doing their business. There were Tc schools operating in Kyrenia were there no Un protection or problems...

You are contradicting yourself if the people alive today are saying they were living in fear for their lives and treated as second class citizens by GCs then saying but some of them were ok is not really addressing the truth its called being in denial, where were you when thousands of TCs were made refugees in 1963? where was your democracy and human rights when we needed it?

[wyoming cowboy]

Wyoming you are such a prat - do you really believe people would compromise their standard of living, leave their livelihood and lands for a political mission - you really do not know people, especially Turkish Cypriots. We are not cut from the same cloth on these types of issues.
Yes some TCs lived outside of the enclaves I remember and some GCs were humane - a great aunt of mine was smuggled through a GC checkpoint by her GC neighbours in the boot of a car to escape the militias.
Remember the TCs did not have representation, were embargoed and were not allowed to live as free citizens on their own island was a calamity. Nothing was done to ease their burden caused by GCs.
The fact that you choose to ignore the realities faced by TCs and try to brush over the issues by claiming this was the path they chose is ridiculous and outright ignorant.

Whats a prat?......No one is denying that there were problems on Cyprus between the two communities between the years of 64-67..Some of the Tc voluntarily enclaved themselves other Tc's choose not to.The tc also voluntarily withdrew fromt he government,and then you claim that they werent represented and embargoed...and the fact remains that Tc's were still interwoven in the Cypriot community, up until 74 when the Turks invaded. There were Turk cyps in Nicosia, Turk cyps in their villages doing theri business plowing their fields etc etc....The contradiction i see from you people is that when Sampson became presidnet in the coup, he would order the extermination of the Tc...So its safe to assume that Tc felt safe under the rule of Makarios, and the 95% Gc that voted for him....Its obvious that the Gc's intentions in those years were not enosis, or the extermination of the Tc...but yet you people keep harping on and on that the Gc's wanted to exterminate you and create enosis. Tc overexaggerate their plight in order to garnish sympathy for their true intention of Taksim....

[Acikgoz]

OMG - wyoming - Did they really fry your brains so much that you have the mental capacity of a 5 year old?
You should be embarassed, you know what forget that, I am embarassed for you as I don't think you have the smarts to even appreciate what a fool you are and there-by be embarassed by your actions.
Pipi, Get Real, Oracle, B25 et.al you should be jumping with glee - another brain-washed dummy to add to your army of idiot minions.
OH CALAMITY

[voltaire]

The Turks have no soul, they are a vile and cruel race.

[Get Real!]

Wyoming you are such a prat - do you really believe people would compromise their standard of living, leave their livelihood and lands for a political mission - you really do not know people, especially Turkish Cypriots. We are not cut from the same cloth on these types of issues.
Yes some TCs lived outside of the enclaves I remember and some GCs were humane - a great aunt of mine was smuggled through a GC checkpoint by her GC neighbours in the boot of a car to escape the militias.
Remember the TCs did not have representation, were embargoed and were not allowed to live as free citizens on their own island was a calamity. Nothing was done to ease their burden caused by GCs.
The fact that you choose to ignore the realities faced by TCs and try to brush over the issues by claiming this was the path they chose is ridiculous and outright ignorant.

You might want to take it up with this guy who confesses to have been a TMT accessory...

Posted by BirKibrisli: Fri Jun 01, 2007 6:50 am

I know the official history of the EOKA and the TMT,bigOZ...
I will let others (preferably GCs talk about the rights and wrongs of EOKA)
but let me tell you a few things about TMT...The movement which produced TMT started much earlier,after the 2nd world war...It was a political movement called Volkan,and it s aims were to safeguard TC interests in case of a British withdrawal.My father was one of the founders of Volkan...when it was decided that an underground fighting force was necessary to combat any possible aggression from GCs TMT was founded...My father was a regional commmader in the Paphos area (he was also a teacher) and I remember our house in Yalya turned into an arms depot,with us kids as the guardians and protectors of the loot...Many a night I lay in bed snuggling up to handguns,stenguns,and granades,while British soldiers serched our house...Being British they never thought to look under the doona of a sleeping child or a sick (!) woman...and they never found the arms...while TMT was under the control of Dr Kuchuk and A>M>Berberoglu (my father's side) it functioned pretty much as was intended...But when Turkey decided that they needed "real action men" to run TMT Rauf Denktash and Burhan Nalbantoglu took over...Turkey threatened to kill Kuchuk and his supporters if they resisted,so they didn't...soon TMT was acting like a terrorist organisation in guise as a selfdefence organisation,putting fear into their own people,and killing and bombing strategic targets to achieve their ultimate aim,Partition...This is when my father,who was an honorable man,fell out with Denktash and Co and he was on their hitlist for a while...In fact Father was on the hitlist of EOKA as well,as they rightly suspected that he was the area commander in Paphos...But when the hitman finally arrived he was from the TMT,but by divine intervention,he turned out to be one of my father's former students...So instead of killing him he warned him of the danger,and I remember a time when we were on the move all the time to avoid a second hitman...
So dear, bigOz,I owe my exile to Australia to the TMT more than the EOKA...
This does not mean that TMT did nothing good for the TCs...or that all members were murderous thugs...But the leaders were,and they were kept in check somehow by the Turkish colonel in charge of TMT during the early 60s (Kemal Coskun code named Bayraktar,who was withdrawn to Turkey after the 67 events)...sorry to disappoint you,bigOz,but after more than 50 years of keeping silent about these things,I have earned the right to talk...It is upto you to believe me or not...But ask yourself,what motivation would I have to make all this up???All this information is in the public arena these days anyway...Read Arif Hasan Tahsin Hoca's column in Afrika and you will learn the truth about the TMT...warts and all...I want to stress the point that most underground organisations like TMT eventually end up serving the interests of those who control them,and not the general community interests...TMT was conrolled by Denktash locally and Turkey overseas,so it ended up serving their interests...In the process many good,honorable people who wanted to serve the interest of the TC people or the interests of all Cypriots were killed or sent into exile...I know you mean well,bigOz,and sorry once again if I woke you up from the dream imposed by Denktash and Co's propaganda machine...

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/cyprus11396-10.html

[Malapapa]

The Turks have no soul, they are a vile and cruel race.

Where have you been all our lives, voltaire?

[Acikgoz]

That's it boys keep sweeping your responsibilities under the carpet.
Get Real 21000 posts and nothing but mis-direction.

If a Greek Cypriot militia group took away a TC and they were never seen again, what has TMT got to do with this? If a Greek Cypriot militia group surrounded your town and shot an unarmed TC father in front of his children what has TMT got to do with this. etc. etc.

If a TC cannot buy building supplies because they are embargoed how can you expect them to grow economically at the same time that GCs can trade all products freely. What has TMT got to do with this?

EOKA was always stronger, GCs controlled all of govt. TMT did not unconstitutionally change the constitution.
etc. etc.

We all know that Makarios did not want the constitution as it stood in 1960. Who created an image of blame to deflect the responsibility of their actions. When you review the development of the actions 1963 to 1974 you can see the steady direction of TC rights being systematically usurped. Look at the outcome and infer the true schemers.

Lying cheating scum.

[B25]

That's it boys keep sweeping your responsibilities under the carpet.
Get Real 21000 posts and nothing but mis-direction.

If a Greek Cypriot militia group took away a TC and they were never seen again, what has TMT got to do with this? If a Greek Cypriot militia group surrounded your town and shot an unarmed TC father in front of his children what has TMT got to do with this. etc. etc.

If a TC cannot buy building supplies because they are embargoed how can you expect them to grow economically at the same time that GCs can trade all products freely. What has TMT got to do with this?

EOKA was always stronger, GCs controlled all of govt. TMT did not unconstitutionally change the constitution.
etc. etc.

We all know that Makarios did not want the constitution as it stood in 1960. Who created an image of blame to deflect the responsibility of their actions. When you review the development of the actions 1963 to 1974 you can see the steady direction of TC rights being systematically usurped. Look at the outcome and infer the true schemers.

Lying cheating scum.

Hark the squatter complaining about the real owners property.

get out get to your own country and leave the peace loving GCs alone. And stop your F whinging will ya!

[Acikgoz]

I am in my country. TRNC.

[growuptcs]

I am in my country. TRNC.

Your not in your country. Your in denial you Turk.