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[EricSeans]

Piratis, what is so sad is, that you actually believe what you have written.
Any independent history book or notes of the time will tell you that what you have been told is utter lies. I have had this conversation put to me so many times and when the other party (often a British citizen) actually studies real history they are staggered at the truth. A Greek Cypriot History book in school has very few pages for the period 1960 to 1974 yet independent books have many chapters.............I wonder why. As I said before nobody is in denial that Greek Cypriots died in 1974, but as with all other GC's you certainly are in denial (or don't know) about the murderous events of the 60's particularly 1963. I will post no further comment as I know you won't accept the FACTS unless you take an independent view.I too at one time hated everything the North stood for, but managed to study the subject and it opened my eyes along with many others.

In that case quote the texts and references to back up your incredible claims. Without evidence your comments are worthless. Quoting the Genocide Files will reduce your credibility even further.

Eric Baby, see the official GC History book and ask yourself one very simple question. Whay is there so little information on the years 1960 to 1974.
You keep going on about links. Really there more to life than the internet. Do you reaaly expect to find links to murderers activities especially when they were untouchables? The roc is guilty as sin and Muhtaro X saying sorry from the side of his mouth is just compounding the situation to the nth degree. Now, where is may percentage calculating gavuruis today to work out the percentage accuracy of this situation.

Both sides massage the facts to suit their own position but independent credible references show the objective view, which is always going to be closer to reality than a partisan version of events. Sources and links are crucial to the debate.

So if there are no links we can say it did not exist, right?

If there aren't links then it could just be because the reference hasn't been put on the Net. The Christopher Hitchens book (Cyprus - Hostage to History) is full of stuff that isn't online but it's an excellent, well researched and properly sourced text.

[miltiades]

Piratis, what is so sad is, that you actually believe what you have written.
Any independent history book or notes of the time will tell you that what you have been told is utter lies. I have had this conversation put to me so many times and when the other party (often a British citizen) actually studies real history they are staggered at the truth. A Greek Cypriot History book in school has very few pages for the period 1960 to 1974 yet independent books have many chapters.............I wonder why. As I said before nobody is in denial that Greek Cypriots died in 1974, but as with all other GC's you certainly are in denial (or don't know) about the murderous events of the 60's particularly 1963. I will post no further comment as I know you won't accept the FACTS unless you take an independent view.I too at one time hated everything the North stood for, but managed to study the subject and it opened my eyes along with many others.

So , you have the facts that ..thousands of T/Cs were murdered !!!
Woman stop being so bloody stupid , you know fuck all about the Cypriot problem and its evident by all to see. Thousands you said , how many Plonker ? Let us see these facts that you keep farting out !!

[miltiades]

miltiades ? why do you say just the six years before 1974. Sorry I'll answer, your question: very few Turkish Cypriots died in those six years ......happy miltiades ? WHY because they where in enclaves covering 3% of the Ilsland having previously covered and OWNED 30%.. However between 1959 and 1968 thousands died or escaped to the UK, Australia, Canada.
beware miltiades they have returned and/or there children. The turkish Cypriots are not the same as they where when your lot overran them in the 60's.

Just to remind all of the ..facts presented by this woman . Notice she says
: between 1959 and 1968 thousands died "
She has the audacity to ask us to wake up and get the facts , presumably from the same area that she got her thousands killed .
What a Plonker

[Viewpoint]

miltiades ? why do you say just the six years before 1974. Sorry I'll answer, your question: very few Turkish Cypriots died in those six years ......happy miltiades ? WHY because they where in enclaves covering 3% of the Ilsland having previously covered and OWNED 30%.. However between 1959 and 1968 thousands died or escaped to the UK, Australia, Canada.
beware miltiades they have returned and/or there children. The turkish Cypriots are not the same as they where when your lot overran them in the 60's.

Just to remind all of the ..facts presented by this woman . Notice she says
: between 1959 and 1968 thousands died "
She has the audacity to ask us to wake up and get the facts , presumably from the same area that she got her thousands killed .
What a Plonker

This person has a point though Miltiades, TCs did not die prior to 1974 which is one of your best selling points only because we were in enclaves and under protection, what have you go to say about this important point?

[GreekForumer]

This person has a point though Miltiades, TCs did not die prior to 1974 which is one of your best selling points only because we were in enclaves and under protection, what have you go to say about this important point?

What percentage of all TCs were in enclaves ?

And of those TCs outside of the enclaves, what violence did they experience from 1967 - 1974?

[YFred]

miltiades ? why do you say just the six years before 1974. Sorry I'll answer, your question: very few Turkish Cypriots died in those six years ......happy miltiades ? WHY because they where in enclaves covering 3% of the Ilsland having previously covered and OWNED 30%.. However between 1959 and 1968 thousands died or escaped to the UK, Australia, Canada.
beware miltiades they have returned and/or there children. The turkish Cypriots are not the same as they where when your lot overran them in the 60's.

Just to remind all of the ..facts presented by this woman . Notice she says
: between 1959 and 1968 thousands died "
She has the audacity to ask us to wake up and get the facts , presumably from the same area that she got her thousands killed .
What a Plonker

This person has a point though Miltiades, TCs did not die prior to 1974 which is one of your best selling points only because we were in enclaves and under protection, what have you go to say about this important point?

VP with the newly armed GC NG, the enclaves were no protection at all. I just cannot believe that GCs are defending the intentions of Sampson. It is just beyond belief that people of such education can be so naive. Especially after what the Serbs/Greeks did in Bosnia in the 90s, to say that GCs would not have done such a thing is just plain stupid.
If the TAF didn’t take out the tanks lined up outside Goshi, we would have had 4500 TCs killed in Lurucina alone. It sickens me to read the comments about what the GCs were not going to do. The two states with the full protection of the TA is the only option and 99% of TCs think so.

[Viewpoint]

This person has a point though Miltiades, TCs did not die prior to 1974 which is one of your best selling points only because we were in enclaves and under protection, what have you go to say about this important point?

What percentage of all TCs were in enclaves ?

And of those TCs outside of the enclaves, what violence did they experience from 1967 - 1974?

You need to ask them as they say they lived in fear for their lives and discrimination as second class citizens, hardly the harmoney wish to believe.

[GreekForumer]

This person has a point though Miltiades, TCs did not die prior to 1974 which is one of your best selling points only because we were in enclaves and under protection, what have you go to say about this important point?

What percentage of all TCs were in enclaves ?

And of those TCs outside of the enclaves, what violence did they experience from 1967 - 1974?

You need to ask them as they say they lived in fear for their lives and discrimination as second class citizens, hardly the harmoney wish to believe.

I'm asking you. What are the facts ?

[Viewpoint]

This person has a point though Miltiades, TCs did not die prior to 1974 which is one of your best selling points only because we were in enclaves and under protection, what have you go to say about this important point?

What percentage of all TCs were in enclaves ?

And of those TCs outside of the enclaves, what violence did they experience from 1967 - 1974?

You need to ask them as they say they lived in fear for their lives and discrimination as second class citizens, hardly the harmoney wish to believe.

I'm asking you. What are the facts ?

The people that actually lived through those times.

[Acikgoz]

Hey Greek forumer, ALL our family was in enclaves after 1963! Not for the oft used excuse of being told by TMT or Turkey nor the oft used argument that we were desiring partition.
We were in enclaves strictly because members of my family (simple farming flok) were KILLED by GCs. We were NOT SAFE in our villages. We were harrassed and put upon.
Screw the lot of you that care not for truths because you are either too young to have experienced it or because you are so brainwashed that you CHOOSE to ignore the realities and the reponsibilities of GC actions as it is justifiable to your warped value system.
This is what humanity is about forgiving and asking for forgiveness, making amends for the wrongs caused and showing remorse. Humanity is not the garbage spewed by this body of yours that has completely closed down its sense of hearing and has substituted it with a double dose of speech.