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[bill cobbett]

Erm, stumbled on this post from Bananiot that's posted in the ECHR thread in Chat and given that it relates some of the experiences of a claimant before Tnucland's ScabbyVision, and if he'll forgive me, think it belongs here for our deliberations, if any.


Quote:
The Demopoulos and others v Turkey decision of March 5 is a great deal more serious in a number of ways than anyone is prepared to acknowledge. The Court rejected every single argument of the Greek Cypriot side (GC) regarding the so called illegality of the Commission by reminding the applicants of its well known and consistent jurisprudence on the matter of exhaustion of domestic remedies and its clearly stated position in all the cases we consider as victories, i.e Fourth Interstate, Loizidou etc, that if and when Turkey introduces a domestic remedy in the north then they will examine it and determine its effectiveness. And then it went on to examine its effectiveness and found that indeed it os effective as there was no evidence to the contrary provided by the GC whereas Turkey had submitted a whole lot of settlements arrived at under the new law. And why did we not have any evidence?? Ahh that is because we refused and branded all who wished to go as traitors so that when it came to the hearing in Strasbourg we had nothing to show.

Almost 4 years ago I applied to the Commission, asking for the return of all my family’s property. I spent a considerable time and energy trying to force the Commission to consider my demands seriously and to follow appropriate procedures; finally I got them to hold hearings for the first time and to issue decisions. Having exhausted this remedy I have now taken all the material and submitted an application to the European Court of Human Rights. I can not tell what will happen there but I can tell that had more GC's applied properly and with the right legal advice and support and had seen the process through then we would have had a mass of evidence to argue , not that this is an illegal remedy but that this is an ineffective remedy. Politicians and lawyers are hugely responsible for this damning decision which has saddled us for the time being with a very bad remedy. In any other country in the civilised world , those directly in charge would have resigned by now and others would have been sacked, But in Cyprus the opposite happens, those responsible have come out attacking both the Court and the people who applied to it. It is at the very least shameful!


Eleni Meleagrou

[Gasman]

So Bill, if it can take four years after applying to the 'IPC' and, if not satisfied with that, the eleven years some are saying it would take for the ECHJ to get around to dealing with a case ...

Where does that leave things?

Two hopes? Bob Hope and No Hope?

Oh, of course there is the other option to wait for a solution I suppose.

[bill cobbett]

Yes but leaving aside the ridiculous length of time it takes for most legal processes, thought this bit is salient ......

....." Having exhausted this remedy I have now taken all the material and submitted an application to the European Court of Human Rights. I can not tell what will happen there but I can tell that had more GC's applied properly and with the right legal advice and support and had seen the process through then we would have had a mass of evidence to argue , not that this is an illegal remedy but that this is an ineffective remedy......"

.... particularly the last two words.

[Piratis]

Oh, of course there is the other option to wait for a solution I suppose.

And meanwhile proceeding with trespass cases which can be done in our courts within a few months at most.

[DTA]

How many trespass cases have been put through your courts? How many are pending?

[Oracle]

How many trespass cases have been put through your courts? How many are pending?

The harm has been done.

The "buyers" are in turmoil.

It's all part of the multi-pronged attack where the long arm of the law is brought to bear down on the criminals, with little more intervention from GCs other than to oil the wheels.

[DTA]

How many trespass cases have been put through your courts? How many are pending?

The harm has been done.

The "buyers" are in turmoil.

It's all part of the multi-pronged attack where the long arm of the law is brought to bear down on the criminals, with little more intervention from GCs other than to oil the wheels.

we might actually agree on something here, The first two sentences anyway. maybe the world will end.

On a serious note has there been any further examples like the orams been put in to play?

[Oracle]

On a serious note has there been any further examples like the orams been put in to play?

One is enough!

[DTA]

So that's a no then?

One has definately ground the property industry in the north to an almost halt.

But if it is only going to be one then pratis's assertion about it being an alternative to the ipc seems a little premature

[only me]

Oracle ! Spouting your London crap on this posting as well I see.
To all of you, get real and read the history not your GC text books.
it is unbelievable what you people think is the truth. Mind , are not alone a great number of Brits are under the same impression due to your Governments lies over the years . Slowly, slowly the EU and the rest of the world are hearing the truth. About time after all these years.
How many times have I been near Ledra street crossing in Lefkosa/Lefkosia and heard a GC giude say 'this street was closed by the Turkish Army in 1974' Sorry WRONG first shut in 1959 by the British Army to stop your lot killing British and Turkish Cypriots and then permanent in 1963 afer the Akritas plan and your killings. FACT