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[YFred]

It is your lot which started the killings of innocent GCs in 1958. FACT

I have heard from many GC that dentas admitted that it was TC that planted the bomb that started on a major scale the violence.... pleeaasssse tell me that the clip that you just posted was not dentas's so called admission

Pleaaaaaasse telll me that ain't so!!

Im asking here, tell me it aint so.

Dengtash put a bomb for the TCs and Makarios did the same for the GCs.

Tell me more on this because I have only heard second hand conjecture, is there any credible links to both these instances?

Makarios Drousiotis has written a very good book about the evens of the time.
They know it's true and want links. The only links they need is the chain round their necks. Tell them to get stuffed. It is a good book to read though. You will get all the info you need. Look out for his articles in Cyprus mail. You can also search for his artciles on there.

[DTA]

DTA, it is undisputed that it is the TCs who planted that bomb. But just for the sake of argument, lets imagine it was GCs. Nobody was killed or injured from that explosion at the Turkish embassy. So how could it be an excuse for TCs to burn the shops and homes of innocent GCs and to massacre innocent people?

It is about time you stop the lame excuses and accept that it is you who started the inter-communal conflict.

The reason you did it is obvious. We had nothing to gain from engaging in a conflict with your minority. On the other hand you had a lot to gain from such a conflict since the British Imperialists had promised to you a ton on gains on our expense if you helped them to defeat our revolution.

Can I have a credible link please to the fact that it was planted by TCs?

With tension already raised and small scale violence already occuring between the two communities I would say that planting a bomb at a Turkish embasy would be enough to escalate the tension would you not?

as for the killing of innocent GC i will never agree with any excuse that leads to the killing of innocent civillians on any side. But if you guys planted the bomb you did start the intercommunal violence escalation.

Credible Link please to prove it was Tc that planted it.

PS was the clip that you posted dentash's supposed admission? because if it was that is just ridiculus

[Piratis]

YFred, several bombs were placed DURING the conflict. If there were no bombs, bullets and casualties it wouldn't be called a "conflict".

Here we are talking about who INITIATED the conflict. The conflict was initiated by the TCs in June of 1958. This is a fact that the TCs should finally admit.

TCs should also admit that in 1974 no TC was killed before the invasion. The story that "the Turkish Army intervened to stop the killing of Turkish Cypriots" is a big fat lie. That war was again INITIATED by the Turks and TCs.

Nobody disputes that TCs were also killed and suffered during the inter-communal conflict and during the 1974 war, but the fact that the TCs and Turks initiated both the conflict and the war is something you should finally admit.

[Viewpoint]

Hello we had an agreement to stop all the troubles and start a fresh and wipe away the past thats why we signed an agreement, you seem to forget that point....the only change we had to rule ourselves.

The fear of being wiped out and 11 years of shear hell for TCs is more than enough for Turkey to intervene.

[DTA]

YFred, several bombs were placed DURING the conflict. If there were no bombs, bullets and casualties it wouldn't be called a "conflict".

Here we are talking about who INITIATED the conflict. The conflict was initiated by the TCs in June of 1958. This is a fact that the TCs should finally admit.

TCs should also admit that in 1974 no TC was killed before the invasion. The story that "the Turkish Army intervened to stop the killing of Turkish Cypriots" is a big fat lie. That war was again INITIATED by the Turks and TCs.

Nobody disputes that TCs were also killed and suffered during the inter-communal conflict and during the 1974 war, but the fact that the TCs and Turks initiated both the conflict and the war is something you should finally admit.

This is the forth time I have asked you extremely nicely for a credable link that the bomb was planted by TCs

by the way in eposode one of the link you gave it said that Eoka was firing on TC police - there was of course Gc police as well - but they were not being fired upon

linky linky please.

As for no turk being killed in 74 before the intervention

Samson already said that if turkey did not invade he would have wipped the turks from the island (just like crete)... tell you what we can do a swap of links if you want?

[Piratis]

DTA, I already gave you not just a link, but a video showing the TCs starting the inter-communal conflict. That was the first time that innocent people were attacked and murdered just because of their ethnicity.

About "links" it is not me who should provide them, but you. You have to show to me that the innocent people that you killed and burned their homes and shops are those who planted the bomb, and that killing them and burning their homes and shops was justified by the explosion of a bomb which caused no death or injuries.

As I said already it is well know that TCs did it, and Denktash indirectly admits this in the video. But even if it was GCs, a bomb that caused no harm was not the initiation of a the conflict. The massacre and the burning of the shops and homes of innocent people is what caused it.

Here I am giving you facts about what actually happened, and you replying with imaginary theories trying to avoid taking the responsibility for your own actions.

[Viewpoint]

You are talking rubbish yet again Piratis you think if you say it enough times people will start believing you well they are no one is stupid enough to support your crap youhave no evidence to support the shit you preach so either provide it or move on. How do you know it was not eoka that burned down your houses and killed GCs theres enough evidence provded by GCs themselves that they were killing each other and then blaming the TCs.

[YFred]

YFred, several bombs were placed DURING the conflict. If there were no bombs, bullets and casualties it wouldn't be called a "conflict".

Here we are talking about who INITIATED the conflict. The conflict was initiated by the TCs in June of 1958. This is a fact that the TCs should finally admit.

TCs should also admit that in 1974 no TC was killed before the invasion. The story that "the Turkish Army intervened to stop the killing of Turkish Cypriots" is a big fat lie. That war was again INITIATED by the Turks and TCs.

Nobody disputes that TCs were also killed and suffered during the inter-communal conflict and during the 1974 war, but the fact that the TCs and Turks initiated both the conflict and the war is something you should finally admit.

This is the forth time I have asked you extremely nicely for a credable link that the bomb was planted by TCs

by the way in eposode one of the link you gave it said that Eoka was firing on TC police - there was of course Gc police as well - but they were not being fired upon

linky linky please.

As for no turk being killed in 74 before the intervention

Samson already said that if turkey did not invade he would have wipped the turks from the island (just like crete)... tell you what we can do a swap of links if you want?

You can ask all you like, Piratis baby only hears what he wants to hear. The TCs accept that on balance the is probable that Denktash order the bomb that cause TCs to riot but our GC cousins will never accept that the bomb on Drakos's or what ever his name was (The murdering eoka man) statue was put there by eoka to inflame the GCs to attack TCs.
What he refuses to also accept is that it was roc who sanctioned all the killing of TCs in 63. A lawful internationally recognised government. With TMT at least they were not legal, but the roc had legalised murder.

[Jerry]

YFred, several bombs were placed DURING the conflict. If there were no bombs, bullets and casualties it wouldn't be called a "conflict".

Here we are talking about who INITIATED the conflict. The conflict was initiated by the TCs in June of 1958. This is a fact that the TCs should finally admit.

TCs should also admit that in 1974 no TC was killed before the invasion. The story that "the Turkish Army intervened to stop the killing of Turkish Cypriots" is a big fat lie. That war was again INITIATED by the Turks and TCs.

Nobody disputes that TCs were also killed and suffered during the inter-communal conflict and during the 1974 war, but the fact that the TCs and Turks initiated both the conflict and the war is something you should finally admit.

This is the forth time I have asked you extremely nicely for a credable link that the bomb was planted by TCs

by the way in eposode one of the link you gave it said that Eoka was firing on TC police - there was of course Gc police as well - but they were not being fired upon

linky linky please.

As for no turk being killed in 74 before the intervention

Samson already said that if turkey did not invade he would have wipped the turks from the island (just like crete)... tell you what we can do a swap of links if you want?

Linky link for you DTA. The British Deputy Govenor seemed to think the Tcs were responsible. Whilst it does not specifically implicate Denktash I do remember some years ago seeing him interviewed on TV accepting responsibility - but then I would say that wouldn't I.

I suggest you read through the whole link, it gives a lie to your propaganda that Turkey and in particular the TCs were innocent bystanders victimised by the GCs. It's interesting background from the UK and US Governments on the real origins of the Cyprus tragedy.



http://dosfan.lib.uic.edu/ERC/frus/frus ... prus2.html

U.S. Department of State
Vol. X, Part 1, FRUS, 1958-60: E. Europe Region; Soviet Union; Cyprus
Office of the Historian
207. Telegram From the Consulate in Nicosia to the Department of State
Nicosia, June 9, 1958, 4 p.m.
389. Had interview Deputy Governor Sinclair today regarding tragic events of last three days./1/ He gave me details new severe emergency regulations enumerated Contel 388./2/ Said Turk leaders here have been extremely uncooperative, refusing government's requests urge restraint and instead, with utter cynicism, have repeated claim that Greek bomb at information center provoked Turk community. I pointed out admission Turk responsibility for later killings in words Kuchuk at Istanbul, who said Turk patriots "marched to Greek quarter killing two and wounding five" in retribution. Sinclair said all evidence, including condition interior building pointed to "planned" operation, and while government unable accuse openly, had informed press and wire services "for guidance" that incident apparently not Greek inspired.
//Source: Department of State, Central Files, 747C.00/6 - 958. Secret; Niact. Repeated to London, Athens, Ankara, and Paris for USRO.
/1/On the evening of June 7, a bomb exploded outside the Turkish Press Office in Nicosia, setting off violent rioting by the Turkish Cypriots. Bands of Turks invaded the Greek quarters of the city and attacked Greek Cypriots, killing two. Rioting spread throughout Cyprus on June 8.
/2/Telegram 388 from Nicosia, June 9, reported that a 24-hour curfew had been imposed to prevent further violence and that Foot was trying to calm the situation in talks with Greek and Turkish leaders. (Department of State, Central Files, 747C.00/6 - 958)
He not so certain of role Ankara government but there again usual pattern would indicate complicity. In reply my query his assessment Turk purpose in forcing issue to verge civil war, Sinclair said "This is their all-out bid for partition". In spite obvious discouragement local officials and seeming hopelessness of effort, HMG planning press on with new initiative June 17. I gave him some of worst FBIS transcripts Ankara radio output yesterday, pointing out that our reports were to effect public radios in various centers pouring forth these lies and inflammatory statements to masses Turks who later demonstrated as in Limassol, Ktima, Larnaca and Famagusta. Such broadcasts obviously contributed to tragedy last night's knife and shovel killings Larnaca.
Sinclair agreed and said they now giving serious consideration jamming Ankara radio as well as Athens.
Also queried Deputy Governor with regard position Denktash/3/ who, after fiery speech Nicosia and after request by Administration Secretary Reddaway for moderation, proceeded Larnaca and delivered same speech. Deputy Governor admitted they reexamining Denktash position in view recent actions. I then gave him FBIS transcript Kuchuk Istanbul speech for use by Governor when he meets Turk leaders this afternoon.
/3/Denktash, a Turkish Cypriot, was a member of the British civil service on Cyprus, serving as Queen's Counsel and spokesman for the Turkish community.
Comment: British now consider themselves in virtual Palestinian situation. In face events past few days and apparent willingness Turks go any length prove their point, do not see any hope for UK proposals unless we willing back them strongly. Utterly shameless, irresponsible manner in which Turks applying pressure here would seem call for some action our part to stop deteriorating Greek-Turk relations as well as situation on island. Am in no position judge whether this best accomplished in Ankara or at NAC meeting requested by Greece but do believe we cannot, as leaders this alliance, allow Cyprus situation drift any closer to chaos.
Belcher

[Get Real!]

They know it's true and want links. The only links they need is the chain round their necks. Tell them to get stuffed. It is a good book to read though. You will get all the info you need. Look out for his articles in Cyprus mail. You can also search for his artciles on there.

You haven't read his (garbage) book so stop pretending you have. Don't make me question and embarrass you.