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[apc2010]

Roads, irrigation,education,sanitation......

[DT.]

Roads, irrigation,education,sanitation......

What are you trying to say mate?

[EPSILON]

I am in favor of removing the 2 British military bases from Cyprus. This concept should be part of the Cyprob solution. Cyprus made a mistake when entering the EU. Here is part of the Accession Treaty ;

Protocol No 3 on the Sovereign Base Areas of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland in Cyprus

[i]The Accession Treaty which the Republic of Cyprus signed with the European Union shall not apply to the British Sovereign Bases in Cyprus, except to the extent necessary to ensure the implementation of agreed arrangements.
These arrangements relate to the conditions of accession of the Republic of Cyprus and another nine countries, who signed the Accession Treaty with the EU.
The Protocol on the British Bases in Cyprus stipulates that the arrangements provided for in this Protocol shall have the sole purpose of regulating the particular situation of the Sovereign Base Areas of the United Kingdom in Cyprus and shall not apply to any other territory of the Community, nor serve as a precedent, whole or in part, for any other special arrangements which either already exist or which might be set up in another European territory provided for in Article 299 of the Treaty.
According to the Protocol persons resident or employed in the territory of the Sovereign Base Areas, who are subject to the social security legislation of the Republic of Cyprus, shall be treated as if they were resident or employed in the territory of the Republic of Cyprus.
The Protocol notes that the Republic of Cyprus shall not be required to carry out checks on persons crossing their land and sea boundaries with the Sovereign Base Areas and any Community restrictions on the crossing of external borders shall not apply in relation to such persons and the United Kingdom shall exercise controls on persons crossing the external borders of the Sovereign Base Areas.
Link http://www.cyprus.gov.cy/MOI/pio/pio.ns ... enDocument
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Provided the solution is found and agreed upon, the 1960 agreements are null and void, therefor the bases must clear off.

It is paranoid to believe that EU will allow one of it's members (UK) to maintain military bases at another EU member(CY). This is a clear violation of EU standards and must be enforced immediately upon signing the solution of the Cyprus problem. As a matter of fact, the removal of the bases should be included into the current talks and implemented into the negotiated solution. The bases ( relic of the colonians) are not in the best interest of RoC and should be considered a threat of the secutity of the island.

Georgios100

You remind me someone who rejected some other military bases in Cyprus, resulting loss of 35 per cent of the Island!!!

[georgios100]

I am in favor of removing the 2 British military bases from Cyprus. This concept should be part of the Cyprob solution. Cyprus made a mistake when entering the EU. Here is part of the Accession Treaty ;

Protocol No 3 on the Sovereign Base Areas of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland in Cyprus

[i]The Accession Treaty which the Republic of Cyprus signed with the European Union shall not apply to the British Sovereign Bases in Cyprus, except to the extent necessary to ensure the implementation of agreed arrangements.
These arrangements relate to the conditions of accession of the Republic of Cyprus and another nine countries, who signed the Accession Treaty with the EU.
The Protocol on the British Bases in Cyprus stipulates that the arrangements provided for in this Protocol shall have the sole purpose of regulating the particular situation of the Sovereign Base Areas of the United Kingdom in Cyprus and shall not apply to any other territory of the Community, nor serve as a precedent, whole or in part, for any other special arrangements which either already exist or which might be set up in another European territory provided for in Article 299 of the Treaty.
According to the Protocol persons resident or employed in the territory of the Sovereign Base Areas, who are subject to the social security legislation of the Republic of Cyprus, shall be treated as if they were resident or employed in the territory of the Republic of Cyprus.
The Protocol notes that the Republic of Cyprus shall not be required to carry out checks on persons crossing their land and sea boundaries with the Sovereign Base Areas and any Community restrictions on the crossing of external borders shall not apply in relation to such persons and the United Kingdom shall exercise controls on persons crossing the external borders of the Sovereign Base Areas.
Link http://www.cyprus.gov.cy/MOI/pio/pio.ns ... enDocument
[/i]

Provided the solution is found and agreed upon, the 1960 agreements are null and void, therefor the bases must clear off.

It is paranoid to believe that EU will allow one of it's members (UK) to maintain military bases at another EU member(CY). This is a clear violation of EU standards and must be enforced immediately upon signing the solution of the Cyprus problem. As a matter of fact, the removal of the bases should be included into the current talks and implemented into the negotiated solution. The bases ( relic of the colonians) are not in the best interest of RoC and should be considered a threat of the secutity of the island.

Georgios100

You remind me someone who rejected some other military bases in Cyprus, resulting loss of 35 per cent of the Island!!!

No clue what you refer to... I know only one thing, NO BASES ALLOWED IN CYPRUS, PERIOD.

Georgios

[Acikgoz]

Georgie, There is no doubt they dump on TCs as much - if anything more as we don't lobby very well. I just find it insincere to speak in absolutes when I can see many positives too - even the language with which we can communicate with each other so freely from all over the globe.
That being said, their own self interest was their driving force.

[georgios100]

Roads, irrigation,education,sanitation......

What are you trying to say mate?

Perhaps he implies that without the Brits, Cyprus would be 50 years behind civilization as some parts of Turkey still are to this day.

If the Brits cleared off totally from Cyprus in 1960 and the 1974 war never happened, Cyprus standard of living would have been much higher than any country in Europe.

The Brits were an obstacle not aid in Cyprus development. I know of a dozen countries that did very well without any Brits around.

Go ahead DT, give this guy some more of the same medicine, he needs it.

Georgios100

[apc2010]

Roads, irrigation,education,sanitation......

What are you trying to say mate?

Perhaps he implies that without the Brits, Cyprus would be 50 years behind civilization as some parts of Turkey still are to this day.

If the Brits cleared off totally from Cyprus in 1960 and the 1974 war never happened, Cyprus standard of living would have been much higher than any country in Europe.

The Brits were an obstacle not aid in Cyprus development. I know of a dozen countries that did very well without any Brits around.

Go ahead DT, give this guy some more of the same medicine, he needs it.

Georgios100

As I said earlier in this thread it reminds me of monty python, watch the film life of brian,it was a quote. But george if you feel so strongly move back HERE (cyprus) and do something about it....

[georgios100]

Georgie, There is no doubt they dump on TCs as much - if anything more as we don't lobby very well. I just find it insincere to speak in absolutes when I can see many positives too - even the language with which we can communicate with each other so freely from all over the globe.
That being said, their own self interest was their driving force.

Well spoken Acikgoz,

The language is what remained, no doubt. Taxation as well...

The fact that the SBAs "occupy" 92 square kms is definitely annoying and unnecessary. That's 3% of Cyprus! What for? Spying on the Mid East & the Suez canal?

England, as a gesture of good will, could reduce the land size of the bases or surrender one of them to RoC. That would be the right thing to do. As long as nobody bothers them, the SBAs shall remain.

The way I see it, these 92 square kms are occupied lands, remnants of the British occupation prior to 1960. How much longer is this sad situation going to last? 20 years? 50 years? 100 years?

What do you say Acikgoz?

Georgios100

[YFred]

Roads, irrigation,education,sanitation......

What are you trying to say mate?

Perhaps he implies that without the Brits, Cyprus would be 50 years behind civilization as some parts of Turkey still are to this day.

If the Brits cleared off totally from Cyprus in 1960 and the 1974 war never happened, Cyprus standard of living would have been much higher than any country in Europe.

The Brits were an obstacle not aid in Cyprus development. I know of a dozen countries that did very well without any Brits around.

Go ahead DT, give this guy some more of the same medicine, he needs it.

Georgios100

George what you say makes total sense except that when you step on a snake it tends to bite you. The bases are there for a purpose that suits the yanks. It really is not that easy to just remove them, not while oil flows in the arab lands. When that is finished then they will no longer be needed and then we'll have em back.

[georgios100]

Roads, irrigation,education,sanitation......

What are you trying to say mate?

Perhaps he implies that without the Brits, Cyprus would be 50 years behind civilization as some parts of Turkey still are to this day.

If the Brits cleared off totally from Cyprus in 1960 and the 1974 war never happened, Cyprus standard of living would have been much higher than any country in Europe.

The Brits were an obstacle not aid in Cyprus development. I know of a dozen countries that did very well without any Brits around.

Go ahead DT, give this guy some more of the same medicine, he needs it.

Georgios100

George what you say makes total sense except that when you step on a snake it tends to bite you. The bases are there for a purpose that suits the yanks. It really is not that easy to just remove them, not while oil flows in the arab lands. When that is finished then they will no longer be needed and then we'll have em back.

My dear friend YFred,

Both the Yanks & Brits acquired better located bases in Iraq, Kuweit, Saudi Arabia, etc to control the oil flow, thank you very much.

The SBAs are no longer a must keep. I see an opening to get rid of them while the solution is in the works. Do you see it?

Georgios100