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[DT.]

The SBA gripe is an old chestnut.

Quote from Cyprus Mail

"The truth is that Britain has no need to use any devious plans to secure the continuing presence of the bases on Cyprus soil, because it has already secured this right through Cyprus’ EU accession protocol of 2003. The protocol clearly states that the rights and obligations of the parties to the Treaty of Establishment of 1960 would not be affected by Cyprus’ accession to the EU.

It was signed by the President of the Republic and unanimously approved by the House of Representatives, with the votes of DIKO and EDEK, as well as by the legislatures of all EU member-states at the time.

Was Omirou, a deputy at the time, not aware that he had voted in favour of the indefinite presence of the bases in Cyprus? Was neither DIKO nor Phileleftheros aware of the protocol? Was it ever likely that Britain would have agreed to Cyprus’ accession to the EU, without safeguarding its right to maintain the sovereign base territory indefinitely? The Treaty cannot even be challenged, as it has been incorporated in the accession protocol"

So it would appear that whether you ever get the SBAs, in part or in full, is up to the UK to decide not the RoC to demand.

Get used to it and get over it.

_________________

I see you've finally managed to synch your brain with the geniuses over at the Cyprus Mail. The only thing that maintains the bases here is the constitution. Once that constitution amends or changes the sovereign bases status they're outa here.

The only reason this hasn't happened so far is purely politics and tit for tat with the UK.

Serious question here how do you change a constitution?

You can try to change your constitution all you like, but what you can't change is Cyprus’ EU accession protocol of 2003. The protocol clearly states that the rights and obligations of the parties to the Treaty of Establishment of 1960 would not be affected by Cyprus’ accession to the EU. It's not the Treaty of Establishment of 1960 that is in question, but the rights and obligations of it. The Treaty cannot even be challenged, as it has been incorporated in the accession protocol. You effectively signed away the chance to change this part of your constitution when you joined the EU.
Geddit?

Have you been drinking? The Treaty of establishment would not be affected by the accession of Cyprus into the EU, but this has nothing to do with any amendments the Republic of Cyprus chooses to make of its consitution. Or do you seriously think that the consitution that results from the negotiations of the Cyprob will be identical to the prvious one.

I'll repeat so you understand, the RIghts and obligations of the parties to the Treaty of establishment will not be affected by Cyprus's ACCESSION to the EU. This has nothing to do with Cyprus amending its own consitution after that event.

[vaughanwilliams]

The SBA gripe is an old chestnut.

Quote from Cyprus Mail

"The truth is that Britain has no need to use any devious plans to secure the continuing presence of the bases on Cyprus soil, because it has already secured this right through Cyprus’ EU accession protocol of 2003. The protocol clearly states that the rights and obligations of the parties to the Treaty of Establishment of 1960 would not be affected by Cyprus’ accession to the EU.

It was signed by the President of the Republic and unanimously approved by the House of Representatives, with the votes of DIKO and EDEK, as well as by the legislatures of all EU member-states at the time.

Was Omirou, a deputy at the time, not aware that he had voted in favour of the indefinite presence of the bases in Cyprus? Was neither DIKO nor Phileleftheros aware of the protocol? Was it ever likely that Britain would have agreed to Cyprus’ accession to the EU, without safeguarding its right to maintain the sovereign base territory indefinitely? The Treaty cannot even be challenged, as it has been incorporated in the accession protocol"

So it would appear that whether you ever get the SBAs, in part or in full, is up to the UK to decide not the RoC to demand.

Get used to it and get over it.

_________________

I see you've finally managed to synch your brain with the geniuses over at the Cyprus Mail. The only thing that maintains the bases here is the constitution. Once that constitution amends or changes the sovereign bases status they're outa here.

The only reason this hasn't happened so far is purely politics and tit for tat with the UK.

Serious question here how do you change a constitution?

You can try to change your constitution all you like, but what you can't change is Cyprus’ EU accession protocol of 2003. The protocol clearly states that the rights and obligations of the parties to the Treaty of Establishment of 1960 would not be affected by Cyprus’ accession to the EU. It's not the Treaty of Establishment of 1960 that is in question, but the rights and obligations of it. The Treaty cannot even be challenged, as it has been incorporated in the accession protocol. You effectively signed away the chance to change this part of your constitution when you joined the EU.
Geddit?

Have you been drinking? The Treaty of establishment would not be affected by the accession of Cyprus into the EU, but this has nothing to do with any amendments the Republic of Cyprus chooses to make of its consitution. Or do you seriously think that the consitution that results from the negotiations of the Cyprob will be identical to the prvious one.

I'll repeat so you understand, the RIghts and obligations of the parties to the Treaty of establishment will not be affected by Cyprus's ACCESSION to the EU. This has nothing to do with Cyprus amending its own consitution after that event.

So are you seriously saying that at any given time after signing an accession protocol to the EU confirming the various rights and obligations under your constitution (without which you would not be accepted into the EU) you can then change that constitution, to suit yourself?

Don't be a silly boy.

[DT.]

The SBA gripe is an old chestnut.

Quote from Cyprus Mail

"The truth is that Britain has no need to use any devious plans to secure the continuing presence of the bases on Cyprus soil, because it has already secured this right through Cyprus’ EU accession protocol of 2003. The protocol clearly states that the rights and obligations of the parties to the Treaty of Establishment of 1960 would not be affected by Cyprus’ accession to the EU.

It was signed by the President of the Republic and unanimously approved by the House of Representatives, with the votes of DIKO and EDEK, as well as by the legislatures of all EU member-states at the time.

Was Omirou, a deputy at the time, not aware that he had voted in favour of the indefinite presence of the bases in Cyprus? Was neither DIKO nor Phileleftheros aware of the protocol? Was it ever likely that Britain would have agreed to Cyprus’ accession to the EU, without safeguarding its right to maintain the sovereign base territory indefinitely? The Treaty cannot even be challenged, as it has been incorporated in the accession protocol"

So it would appear that whether you ever get the SBAs, in part or in full, is up to the UK to decide not the RoC to demand.

Get used to it and get over it.

_________________

I see you've finally managed to synch your brain with the geniuses over at the Cyprus Mail. The only thing that maintains the bases here is the constitution. Once that constitution amends or changes the sovereign bases status they're outa here.

The only reason this hasn't happened so far is purely politics and tit for tat with the UK.

Serious question here how do you change a constitution?

You can try to change your constitution all you like, but what you can't change is Cyprus’ EU accession protocol of 2003. The protocol clearly states that the rights and obligations of the parties to the Treaty of Establishment of 1960 would not be affected by Cyprus’ accession to the EU. It's not the Treaty of Establishment of 1960 that is in question, but the rights and obligations of it. The Treaty cannot even be challenged, as it has been incorporated in the accession protocol. You effectively signed away the chance to change this part of your constitution when you joined the EU.
Geddit?

Have you been drinking? The Treaty of establishment would not be affected by the accession of Cyprus into the EU, but this has nothing to do with any amendments the Republic of Cyprus chooses to make of its consitution. Or do you seriously think that the consitution that results from the negotiations of the Cyprob will be identical to the prvious one.

I'll repeat so you understand, the RIghts and obligations of the parties to the Treaty of establishment will not be affected by Cyprus's ACCESSION to the EU. This has nothing to do with Cyprus amending its own consitution after that event.

So are you seriously saying that at any given time after signing an accession protocol to the EU confirming the various rights and obligations under your constitution (without which you would not be accepted into the EU) you can then change that constitution, to suit yourself?

Don't be a silly boy.

Since joining the EU there have been 2 amendments to the consitution. One involving the National Guard making it compulsory for Armenian, latin and maronite Cypriots to serve as well.

Please don't make me waste any more time with you because you'll only be embarrased further.

[georgios100]

There are other ways to get the bases out...

1. New constitution approved by both communities at solution time. The clause would be related to a total removal of all armies amd military installations including the bases.

2. Applications filed to NATO, EU and UN demanding the bases removal immediately from the sovereign authority of RoC (post solution).

3. If the Brits refuse, apply total land embargo, sealing the bases from any terrestrial activities outside the bases.

4. The extreme = Drive them out to sea by force (any means necessary).

If both communities really want them out... it can be done!

I know, I want them out. Since the Brits landed on this island, I just can't think of one good thing that they did... just occupation, brutality, misery, bullying, double faced, betrayal etc...

Georgios100

[apc2010]

There are other ways to get the bases out...

1. New constitution approved by both communities at solution time. The clause would be related to a total removal of all armies amd military installations including the bases.

2. Applications filed to NATO, EU and UN demanding the bases removal immediately from the sovereign authority of RoC (post solution).

3. If the Brits refuse, apply total land embargo, sealing the bases from any terrestrial activities outside the bases.

4. The extreme = Drive them out to sea by force (any means necessary).

If both communities really want them out... it can be done!

I know, I want them out. Since the Brits landed on this island, I just can't think of one good thing that they did... just occupation, brutality, misery, bullying, double faced, betrayal etc...
dude ,number 4, are you serious ?

Georgios100

[YFred]

There are other ways to get the bases out...

1. New constitution approved by both communities at solution time. The clause would be related to a total removal of all armies amd military installations including the bases.

2. Applications filed to NATO, EU and UN demanding the bases removal immediately from the sovereign authority of RoC (post solution).

3. If the Brits refuse, apply total land embargo, sealing the bases from any terrestrial activities outside the bases.

4. The extreme = Drive them out to sea by force (any means necessary).

If both communities really want them out... it can be done!

I know, I want them out. Since the Brits landed on this island, I just can't think of one good thing that they did... just occupation, brutality, misery, bullying, double faced, betrayal etc...
dude ,number 4, are you serious ?

Georgios100

Apoclosmenos, are you lost for words?

[bsharpish]

There are other ways to get the bases out...

BLAH BLAH BLAH

I know, I want them out. Since the Brits landed on this island, I just can't think of one good thing that they did... just occupation, brutality, misery, bullying, double faced, betrayal etc...

Georgios100

Try thinking harder...... in fact try thinking..... you just devalue any logic or credibility in your argument with widesweeping, anglophobic and ill informed statements like that.

[Acikgoz]

Without the condesending tone - thought I still remember your racists joke - it hasn't been all bad with the Brits. They have been dumping on us Ottoman descendents since they got there but hey, they did help instill a greater sense of awareness about the bigger world and so many Cypriots have lived worked or studied there over the years and brought back some of the prosperity when Cyprus was much poorer.

[apc2010]

Reminds me of the monty python film, what have the romans done for us........

[georgios100]

Without the condesending tone - thought I still remember your racists joke - it hasn't been all bad with the Brits. They have been dumping on us Ottoman descendents since they got there but hey, they did help instill a greater sense of awareness about the bigger world and so many Cypriots have lived worked or studied there over the years and brought back some of the prosperity when Cyprus was much poorer.

I can't believe you have sympathy for the Brits. What have they done for you lately? Just because a small part of Cypriots went to live in the UK makes you feel better? Cypriots are all over the world, not just UK. If you are a British wannabe, like some others, move to England and live there. I am going to say this again. The Brits offered nothing to Cyprus... they only took and still taking! Do you think the Brits will give you food to eat? Remember this: The Brits hate the TC's as much as they hate the GC's.
They only like... themselves with a well measured feeling of superiority over ex colonies. I expect nothing from the Brits, neither should you.

The vast majority of Cypriots want them out, so does RoC. If you like them to stay, well, you are now a part of a small minority of Cypriots who want to keep the colonialists... are you sure you want this?


Georgios100