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[miltiades]

Whether we like it or not , Britain as well as the USA will look upon Cyprus as an important strategic base .
The refusal by Makarios to agree to American request for a base in Cyprus was wrong , Makarios sited as the reason the risk that ...prostitution and drugs would be introduced to Cyprus by the Americans. Well he was right , as a result of not having USA basis we also do not have either ...prostitution or ...drugs.
My fellow Cypriots , if the only recognized government of Cyprus , ie the RoC was to make a formal request for the withdrawal of the British basis Britain will have to take note and perhaps she might be invited over the other site !!!

Milti, I have come to expect less bias from you so you can imagine how dissapointed I was to read the above comment. Makarios may have given the excuse but everyone knows the real reason why he refused. If you follow the arms trade to Cyprus, it then becomes so obvious. Surely the reason why he said no was becasue he was alligned to the communist block and hated America.
I am certain prostitution was very low on the list reasons.

What is so biased about my post !!
Yes his Beatitude was also anti American he was after all known by the USA as Castro of the Med !!

[YFred]

Whether we like it or not , Britain as well as the USA will look upon Cyprus as an important strategic base .
The refusal by Makarios to agree to American request for a base in Cyprus was wrong , Makarios sited as the reason the risk that ...prostitution and drugs would be introduced to Cyprus by the Americans. Well he was right , as a result of not having USA basis we also do not have either ...prostitution or ...drugs.
My fellow Cypriots , if the only recognized government of Cyprus , ie the RoC was to make a formal request for the withdrawal of the British basis Britain will have to take note and perhaps she might be invited over the other site !!!

Milti, I have come to expect less bias from you so you can imagine how dissapointed I was to read the above comment. Makarios may have given the excuse but everyone knows the real reason why he refused. If you follow the arms trade to Cyprus, it then becomes so obvious. Surely the reason why he said no was becasue he was alligned to the communist block and hated America.
I am certain prostitution was very low on the list reasons.

What is so biased about my post !!
Yes his Beatitude was also anti American he was after all known by the USA as Castro of the Med !!

He was also pro Moscow, was he not. You trivialised thyour argument when you said the reason for refusing America a base was on the grounds of prostitution, when in fact it was pro Moscow, anti-American sentiment that did the trick.

[vaughanwilliams]

The SBA gripe is an old chestnut.

Quote from Cyprus Mail

"The truth is that Britain has no need to use any devious plans to secure the continuing presence of the bases on Cyprus soil, because it has already secured this right through Cyprus’ EU accession protocol of 2003. The protocol clearly states that the rights and obligations of the parties to the Treaty of Establishment of 1960 would not be affected by Cyprus’ accession to the EU.

It was signed by the President of the Republic and unanimously approved by the House of Representatives, with the votes of DIKO and EDEK, as well as by the legislatures of all EU member-states at the time.

Was Omirou, a deputy at the time, not aware that he had voted in favour of the indefinite presence of the bases in Cyprus? Was neither DIKO nor Phileleftheros aware of the protocol? Was it ever likely that Britain would have agreed to Cyprus’ accession to the EU, without safeguarding its right to maintain the sovereign base territory indefinitely? The Treaty cannot even be challenged, as it has been incorporated in the accession protocol"

So it would appear that whether you ever get the SBAs, in part or in full, is up to the UK to decide not the RoC to demand.

Get used to it and get over it.

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[Malapapa]

Paul is right one moment you GCs thought you had won the war when the Orams judgement was announced only to find out later that it was just one battle and that a slap in the face was just around the corner go to the IPC if you want your rights back.

Why is the IPC a slap in the face, VP? Are you suggesting it won't actually treat people who had to flee their homes in 1974 fairly? Are you inferring it will act in Turkey's interests ahead of the victims? Are you saying it won't provide an effective local remedy, in accordance with human rights laws? Do you know something the ECHR doesn't?

[Viewpoint]

No you havent got it, its a slap in the face because its something that you ridicled and thought it would never be accepted by the ECHR.

[Malapapa]

No you havent got it, its a slap in the face because its something that you ridicled and thought it would never be accepted by the ECHR.

It's only a slap in the face if the IPC puts the interests of Turkey first, ahead of innocent victims of its aggression. If it acts in the same way as the ECHR would - as the ECHR expects it to act - then what's the problem? Are you suggesting the IPC won't act fairly?

[Viewpoint]

No you havent got it, its a slap in the face because its something that you ridicled and thought it would never be accepted by the ECHR.

It's only a slap in the face if the IPC puts the interests of Turkey first, ahead of innocent victims of its aggression. If it acts in the same way as the ECHR would - as the ECHR expects it to act - then what's the problem? Are you suggesting the IPC won't act fairly?

That is not what I am saying so stop trying to twsit things into how you see them. You have been told to go to the IPC for internal remedy like hundreds of other GCs who have gotten restitution or compensation. This is what you did not want thats why its a slap in your face now do you get it?

[DT.]

The SBA gripe is an old chestnut.

Quote from Cyprus Mail

"The truth is that Britain has no need to use any devious plans to secure the continuing presence of the bases on Cyprus soil, because it has already secured this right through Cyprus’ EU accession protocol of 2003. The protocol clearly states that the rights and obligations of the parties to the Treaty of Establishment of 1960 would not be affected by Cyprus’ accession to the EU.

It was signed by the President of the Republic and unanimously approved by the House of Representatives, with the votes of DIKO and EDEK, as well as by the legislatures of all EU member-states at the time.

Was Omirou, a deputy at the time, not aware that he had voted in favour of the indefinite presence of the bases in Cyprus? Was neither DIKO nor Phileleftheros aware of the protocol? Was it ever likely that Britain would have agreed to Cyprus’ accession to the EU, without safeguarding its right to maintain the sovereign base territory indefinitely? The Treaty cannot even be challenged, as it has been incorporated in the accession protocol"

So it would appear that whether you ever get the SBAs, in part or in full, is up to the UK to decide not the RoC to demand.

Get used to it and get over it.

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I see you've finally managed to synch your brain with the geniuses over at the Cyprus Mail. The only thing that maintains the bases here is the constitution. Once that constitution amends or changes the sovereign bases status they're outa here.

The only reason this hasn't happened so far is purely politics and tit for tat with the UK.

[DTA]

The SBA gripe is an old chestnut.

Quote from Cyprus Mail

"The truth is that Britain has no need to use any devious plans to secure the continuing presence of the bases on Cyprus soil, because it has already secured this right through Cyprus’ EU accession protocol of 2003. The protocol clearly states that the rights and obligations of the parties to the Treaty of Establishment of 1960 would not be affected by Cyprus’ accession to the EU.

It was signed by the President of the Republic and unanimously approved by the House of Representatives, with the votes of DIKO and EDEK, as well as by the legislatures of all EU member-states at the time.

Was Omirou, a deputy at the time, not aware that he had voted in favour of the indefinite presence of the bases in Cyprus? Was neither DIKO nor Phileleftheros aware of the protocol? Was it ever likely that Britain would have agreed to Cyprus’ accession to the EU, without safeguarding its right to maintain the sovereign base territory indefinitely? The Treaty cannot even be challenged, as it has been incorporated in the accession protocol"

So it would appear that whether you ever get the SBAs, in part or in full, is up to the UK to decide not the RoC to demand.

Get used to it and get over it.

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I see you've finally managed to synch your brain with the geniuses over at the Cyprus Mail. The only thing that maintains the bases here is the constitution. Once that constitution amends or changes the sovereign bases status they're outa here.

The only reason this hasn't happened so far is purely politics and tit for tat with the UK.

Serious question here how do you change a constitution?

[DT.]

The SBA gripe is an old chestnut.

Quote from Cyprus Mail

"The truth is that Britain has no need to use any devious plans to secure the continuing presence of the bases on Cyprus soil, because it has already secured this right through Cyprus’ EU accession protocol of 2003. The protocol clearly states that the rights and obligations of the parties to the Treaty of Establishment of 1960 would not be affected by Cyprus’ accession to the EU.

It was signed by the President of the Republic and unanimously approved by the House of Representatives, with the votes of DIKO and EDEK, as well as by the legislatures of all EU member-states at the time.

Was Omirou, a deputy at the time, not aware that he had voted in favour of the indefinite presence of the bases in Cyprus? Was neither DIKO nor Phileleftheros aware of the protocol? Was it ever likely that Britain would have agreed to Cyprus’ accession to the EU, without safeguarding its right to maintain the sovereign base territory indefinitely? The Treaty cannot even be challenged, as it has been incorporated in the accession protocol"

So it would appear that whether you ever get the SBAs, in part or in full, is up to the UK to decide not the RoC to demand.

Get used to it and get over it.

_________________

I see you've finally managed to synch your brain with the geniuses over at the Cyprus Mail. The only thing that maintains the bases here is the constitution. Once that constitution amends or changes the sovereign bases status they're outa here.

The only reason this hasn't happened so far is purely politics and tit for tat with the UK.

Serious question here how do you change a constitution?

EVer heard of amendments being voted in parliament?