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[Gasman]

Quite unsurprisingly, Greek Cypriot political elites have been recently arguing that a solution worse (for the Greek Cypriot side) to the Annan Plan solution won’t be supported. Although expected, this position fails to account for long-term realities in the island of Cyprus.

It is by now a common truth that every new proposal for the resolution of the Cyprus issue has been less favourable for the Greek Cypriot side than the previous one; Evangelos Averof quite cleverly titled his work on the Cyprus issue as ‘history of opportunities lost’ (‘Ιστορικό Χαμένων Ευκαιριών’). As a result of policies of the Turkish Cypriot side (property, settlers policies etc), the state of affairs in Cyprus is constantly changing and thus new realities are created that make every new solution put forward less favourable to the Greek Cypriot side. Although this does not mean that the south should be dragged by those realities into concessions, there is a need to understand those realities if a lasting solution is desired.

The most important reality that needs to be faced in Cyprus of 2010 is that the prospects of partition in case of failure of a resolution are greater than ever before. The day after a failure of the ongoing Christofias- Talat negotiations will be a different one for Cyprus where the opportunity to reunite the island will be, quite for ever, lost.

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[Piratis]

No opportunity was lost. Cyprus is fighting for its freedom for centuries. We secured the freedom of 2/3rds of our island which is now ruled democratically by the Cypriot people. What remains is to liberate the remaining 3rd.

The Annan plan was a huge step backwards in our struggle for freedom, since not only it would officially Turkify 1/3rd of Cyprus taking away from us the right to liberate it, but it would also dissolve democracy, take the rule of Cyprus out of the hands of the Cypriot people and make the whole Cyprus a protectorate of Turkey.

[Malapapa]

No opportunity was lost. Cyprus is fighting for its freedom for centuries. We secured the freedom of 2/3rds of our island which is now ruled democratically by the Cypriot people. What remains is to liberate the remaining 3rd.

The Annan plan was a huge step backwards in our struggle for freedom, since not only it would officially Turkify 1/3rd of Cyprus taking away from us the right to liberate it, but it would also dissolve democracy, take the rule of Cyprus out of the hands of the Cypriot people and make the whole Cyprus a protectorate of Turkey.

Spot on. Real freedom for 2/3rds of the island is far more attractive a proposition for the vast majority of free Cypriots than pseudo-freedom for the whole island. And the results of the Annan Plan are a clear testamant to this.

I'd like to see how the English would vote on an Annan-type proposal for their country, granting all the land north of the Midlands to the Muslim community, including intervention rights for, say, Iran.

[Gasman]

Have heard it said many times that, but for the (erroneous) assumption that RoC would agree to the Annan Plan, they would not now be in the EU. And that it was a huge blunder to have allowed them in while the island was still divided.

[Malapapa]

Have heard it said many times that, but for the (erroneous) assumption that RoC would agree to the Annan Plan, they would not now be in the EU. And that it was a huge blunder to have allowed them in while the island was still divided.

Perhaps those who you may have heard say this, like you, have a flawed understanding of how democracy works. Cyprus's EU accession was not dependent on its people approving a plan that restricted the very rights and freedoms that EU citizenship was to afford them.

[YFred]

Have heard it said many times that, but for the (erroneous) assumption that RoC would agree to the Annan Plan, they would not now be in the EU. And that it was a huge blunder to have allowed them in while the island was still divided.

Perhaps those who you may have heard say this, like you, have a flawed understanding of how democracy works. Cyprus's EU accession was not dependent on its people approving a plan that restricted the very rights and freedoms that EU citizenship was to afford them.

Mal don't be so childish, if it was as simple as that it wouldn't last 47 years. Political solution is the only answer with a peace treaty. Period.

[Malapapa]

Have heard it said many times that, but for the (erroneous) assumption that RoC would agree to the Annan Plan, they would not now be in the EU. And that it was a huge blunder to have allowed them in while the island was still divided.

Perhaps those who you may have heard say this, like you, have a flawed understanding of how democracy works. Cyprus's EU accession was not dependent on its people approving a plan that restricted the very rights and freedoms that EU citizenship was to afford them.

Mal don't be so childish, if it was as simple as that it wouldn't last 47 years. Political solution is the only answer with a peace treaty. Period.

Cyprus's foreign conquest problems go back not 35 nor 47 nor 50 years but century upon century. There won't be peace until the whole island is free from foreign domination. That is the political solution. Nothing less.

[Piratis]

Have heard it said many times that, but for the (erroneous) assumption that RoC would agree to the Annan Plan, they would not now be in the EU. And that it was a huge blunder to have allowed them in while the island was still divided.

And we all know from where you heard that. From the Turks and from those who want Turkey in EU.

The fact is that we entered the EU without accepting the Annan plan. And if accepting the Annan plan was a pre-requisite for our EU accession, that still wouldn't be a good enough reason to vote for that disastrous plan.

[Gasman]

And we all know from where you heard that. From the Turks and from those who want Turkey in EU.

No. It was well before I moved over here. It was being said in London by anyone who had any interest in it. Have to say most people don't (or didn't then and probably still don't) have any interest in it.

Have a pal staying with me at the mo who has never heard about anything pertaining to any problem with Cyprus. And I bet that goes for the vast majority of the rest of the world. And did go for the vast majority of the rest of the people in the EU before Cyprus joined it.

[Malapapa]

And we all know from where you heard that. From the Turks and from those who want Turkey in EU.

No. It was well before I moved over here. It was being said in London by anyone who had any interest in it. Have to say most people don't (or didn't then and probably still don't) have any interest in it.

Have a pal staying with me at the mo who has never heard about anything pertaining to any problem with Cyprus. And I bet that goes for the vast majority of the rest of the world. And did go for the vast majority of the rest of the people in the EU before Cyprus joined it.

Unfortunately people fighting to liberate their homeland using peaceful, legal means tend to be ignored by the vast majority of the rest of the world.