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[YFred]

When its a Greek judge its not bribery what hypocrites you GCs really are.

The matter of the Greek judge and the claim of apparent bias was looked at, was investigated, in a transparent and argued way by the GB Appeal Court.

The matter of Turkish bribes (if any) or Turkish influence (if any) in this ECHR ruling won't be open to the same kind of investigation will it?

If you can't see the difference between the two cases you really are more of a one-lined, ask questions but never answer any, fool than we gave you credit for so if you have , as usual, nothing to add to debate, clear off!

Vassilios Skouris, president of the ECJ, was decorated by the late Greek Cypriot leader Tassos Papadopoulos with the Grand Collar of the Order of Makarios III of the Republic of Cyprus for his “sincere and strong feelings for Cyprus and its people.” The Grand Collar of the Order of Makarios III is the highest honor awarded in the southern part of Cyprus, given to individuals who have made a substantial contribution to the welfare of the Cypriot people.
Would you care to hazard a guess what that "substantial contribution" was?

I hope this is not another one of those pseudo-circumstantial TC-style conclusions you’re preparing us for…

No. This is a straight forward request for an answer. What did this man do that was a "substantial contribution" to the Cypriot people/Cyprus. Not a difficult question, but I suspect it has a "difficult" answer.

He or his family must have a connection with eoka.

[Malapapa]

Aren't TCs willing to reward individuals who make a substantial contribution to the welfare of the Cypriot people?

not if they are bias to only one part of the Cypriot people because that would be racist, we are not a racist bunch.

That's great. I'm relieved to hear it. When can all the innocent people turfed out of their ancestral homelands on account of their ethnicity and religion go back home?

The fact that you are arguing this out is funny deep down... Actually not only deep down but on the surface you know that was a sham, but one that gc are quite happy to live with because it favors them. If it was the other way around you guys would be going nuts and you know it.

The English High Court judge didn't think it was a sham at all, and found against two English people as a result. Or did he find against them because he doesn't like fat people?

[Malapapa]

When its a Greek judge its not bribery what hypocrites you GCs really are.

The matter of the Greek judge and the claim of apparent bias was looked at, was investigated, in a transparent and argued way by the GB Appeal Court.

The matter of Turkish bribes (if any) or Turkish influence (if any) in this ECHR ruling won't be open to the same kind of investigation will it?

If you can't see the difference between the two cases you really are more of a one-lined, ask questions but never answer any, fool than we gave you credit for so if you have , as usual, nothing to add to debate, clear off!

Vassilios Skouris, president of the ECJ, was decorated by the late Greek Cypriot leader Tassos Papadopoulos with the Grand Collar of the Order of Makarios III of the Republic of Cyprus for his “sincere and strong feelings for Cyprus and its people.” The Grand Collar of the Order of Makarios III is the highest honor awarded in the southern part of Cyprus, given to individuals who have made a substantial contribution to the welfare of the Cypriot people.
Would you care to hazard a guess what that "substantial contribution" was?

I hope this is not another one of those pseudo-circumstantial TC-style conclusions you’re preparing us for…

No. This is a straight forward request for an answer. What did this man do that was a "substantial contribution" to the Cypriot people/Cyprus. Not a difficult question, but I suspect it has a "difficult" answer.

Don't suspect. Paste his name into "Google" and see what you can pin on the man who was instrumental in confirming legally that you're a duped trespasser. Present the facts and then others can assess whether your attempts to assassinate this esteemed judge's character has merit or not.

[Acikgoz]

Mr Demopoulos lodged his complaint with the ECHR back in 1999, and a few days ago in 2010, the blessed ECHR, having taken eleven blooming years (!!!!) tells him that it can't be bothered to consider his claim against Turkey in any detail and to come to a judgment but after the eleven years the ECHR has been procrastinating to refer the matter to a scummy body(Bill is a Jerk - I'd take scummy over no chance of rights as in RoC), controlled by the Occupying Power(Bill is a Jerk - without Turkey wholesale genocide of natural Turkish Cypriots, GCs have never stepped up to a real solution that would remove this risk ever again) !!!!

Eleven Bleeding Years, not to reach a judgment (Bill is a Jerk - they reached a judgement, you just don't like it), but to decide to dismiss Mr D's case without even looking at it.



Eleven blooming years!!! Is that a "reasonable time"???? The bleeding ECHR is condemned by its own requirements to offer justice and enforce remedies "within a reasonable time"..... and Mr Demopoulos isn't alone in waiting for more than a decade for the ECHR to get off its bum and decide things within a reasonable time. How many, many years did the Loizidou and other families have to wait for the ECHR justice. (Bill is a Jerk - What of the responsibilities of the RoC courts does it include show a bias)

The other expectation of Article 6 is the right to a fair trial or hearing before an "independent tribunal" . Now who in their right mind, this side of Hell freezing over, would expect (Bill is a Jerk - Racist bigoted twat that doesn't see that RoC has never stepped up and owned up to at dealt with their responsibilities as to the present state of the island)Turkey's Scummy Craperty Tnucition to be an "independent tribunal" ????? ...and yet the ECHR tells Mr Demopoulos to go and face same people who forced him off his land at gunpoint back in '74, with the threats of death, torture, rapes and general mistreatment, that we all know were widespread, to judge his case..... and then the ECHR tells Mr D and his family that if they ain't happy with the decision of Tnucland's Scamission to appeal to the Tnucland "appeal" "court" !!!!!!!......Insult on Insult has become the ECHR way in its treatment of Mr Demopoulos. Are these the ways to protect Mr D's Human Rights???? (Bill is a jerk - the ECHR said that you cannot only consider one side as the GCs believe should be the only way)
What is the ECHR telling the rest of us in matters outside CyProb... in simple language if your rights are violated, we'll keep you waiting for over a decade, keeping alive our expectation of having our rights respected, only for the ECHR to tell us to go and sort it out with the Murderers and Rapists of this world!!!(Bill is a Jerk - as he doesn't vocally critisise his own govt's/people's actions just likes to throw as much mud to see what will stick)

So the ECHR fails and it fails miserably and by its own worthy aspirations both on the length of time that it has kept Mr Demopoulos waiting and also on the blatant and clear inadequacy of its remedy.(Bill is a jerk - how many Turkish Cypriots are kept waiting YEARS UPON YEARS for courts in RoC)



Mr Demopoulos is being punished, yep personally punished, punished as some kind of sacrificial lamb, being effectively held personally responsible for the result of the fair and democratic defeat of the Anon Scam by the good people of the Republic a few years ago. (Bill is a jerk - TCs continue to be punished despite it being the GCs having unconstitutionally declared themselves reps of the whole island)
An Anon Scam that in its final paragraph says very, very clearly that the Plan would be NULL and VOID in whole or in any of its parts if defeated in one or both refs.

(Bill is a Jerk - NULL AND VOID what all the basis of discussions over decades via the UN - maybe that exact plan, but not the underlying principles)

NULL AND VOID?? Well the ECHR doesn't think it was NULL AND VOID, and quite happy to run roughshod over the democratic will of the CY People in a Free Referendum ..... and to hold Mr Demopoulos responsible and to exert a Collective Punishment from a great many others.

Well Bill, I can honestly say you do have a lopsided view of reality that is wholly biased to the Greek Cypriot point of view.

It is clear you have no interest in the case itself but what it really means for the political monopoly power you seek for Greek Cypriots on the island. You are so transparent, for what you appear to have in smarts, you certainly leave a lot to be desired in terms of humanity and wisdom.

[DTA]

When we agree peace which will give us a sustainable autonomy

2. The deffendants of the orams as I understand it from someone who was in the court room played there hand wrong, instead of talk about what could only be considered by a court of law as conjecture his bias! Which would be impossible to prove unless he was photoed wearing one of the 'only good Turk is a dead turk' that your national guard like to wear, they should have gone after the document that he presented the other judges with and all conversations that he had with them regarding the issue, and proved this to be flawed document however whether the court of the uk would be able to over turn a ecj rulling is another matter, I don't think this case is as dead as everyone thinks it is, the orginal case in the gc courts has many ground to be overturned on this will probably go on for another 5 years

by the way stop ducking Vaughans question and answer it

[Malapapa]

When we agree peace which will give us a sustainable autonomy

2. The deffendants of the orams as I understand it from someone who was in the court room played there hand wrong, instead of talk about what could only be considered by a court of law as conjecture his bias! Which would be impossible to prove unless he was photoed wearing one of the 'only good Turk is a dead turk' that your national guard like to wear, they should have gone after the document that he presented the other judges with and all conversations that he had with them regarding the issue, and proved this to be flawed document however whether the court of the uk would be able to over turn a ecj rulling is another matter, I don't think this case is as dead as everyone thinks it is, the orginal case in the gc courts has many ground to be overturned on this will probably go on for another 5 years

Err.. if you say so. But don't expect me or anyone else to understand what you're on about.

by the way stop ducking Vaughans question and answer it

Let the gullible cheapskate do some work if he wants to lock horns with the big boys.

[Jerry]

Well, I have already received one reply from one of the seven Euro MPs that I contacted this afternoon. Obviously I intend to engage with him further: -

Dear Mr "Jerry"

Thank you for your message about the ECHR's decision to recognise the Turkish IPC's competence, in the determination of ownership of property in Turkish-occupied Cyprus, and to insist on the exhaustion of local remedies before intervening.

On the face of it, this should not mean that the matter can go no further than the IPC. It should mean only that the IPC must make a decision before appeal can be made to the ECHR.

A common trick of the local jurisdiction, under these circumstances, is, however, to delay judgement - and thereby any appeal - indefinitely; but there may be some time-limit, for the delivery of an IPC-judgement, which the ECHR will recognise as the period, after which, the IPC can be deemed to have refused to rule, and, consequently, that the local process has been de facto exhausted, and that an appeal can be made.

If this is the case, then it is still worth proceeding at the IPC, with a view to appealing to the ECHR thereafter.

Please let me know whether you think this is a realistic evaluation of the situation, or not.

Yours sincerely,

..... ......

Has anyone else bothered?

[bill cobbett]

Well, I have already received one reply from one of the seven Euro MPs that I contacted this afternoon. Obviously I intend to engage with him further: -

Dear Mr "Jerry"

Thank you for your message about the ECHR's decision to recognise the Turkish IPC's competence, in the determination of ownership of property in Turkish-occupied Cyprus, and to insist on the exhaustion of local remedies before intervening.

On the face of it, this should not mean that the matter can go no further than the IPC. It should mean only that the IPC must make a decision before appeal can be made to the ECHR.

A common trick of the local jurisdiction, under these circumstances, is, however, to delay judgement - and thereby any appeal - indefinitely; but there may be some time-limit, for the delivery of an IPC-judgement, which the ECHR will recognise as the period, after which, the IPC can be deemed to have refused to rule, and, consequently, that the local process has been de facto exhausted, and that an appeal can be made.

If this is the case, then it is still worth proceeding at the IPC, with a view to appealing to the ECHR thereafter.

Please let me know whether you think this is a realistic evaluation of the situation, or not.

Yours sincerely,

..... ......

Has anyone else bothered?

......

.... in the light of a pretty realistic and sympathetic reply above, .... will get something off this weekend.

.... anyone else?

[Gasman]

Well done Jerry. Doing something instead of just moaning.

This however:

If this is the case, then it is still worth proceeding at the IPC, with a view to appealing to the ECHR thereafter.

Will be no comfort to those who insist they should not have to go to the IPC in the first place.

And that's what some seem to be saying - that they refuse to 'deal with the enemy/invader/waddever' at all.

Those will then, presumably, just have to wait for a solution to the Cyprus Problem. Bit like they've been doing for ages now?

[bill cobbett]

Mr Demopoulos lodged his complaint with the ECHR back in 1999, and a few days ago in 2010, the blessed ECHR, having taken eleven blooming years (!!!!) tells him that it can't be bothered to consider his claim against Turkey in any detail and to come to a judgment but after the eleven years the ECHR has been procrastinating to refer the matter to a scummy body(Bill is a Jerk - I'd take scummy over no chance of rights as in RoC), controlled by the Occupying Power(Bill is a Jerk - without Turkey wholesale genocide of natural Turkish Cypriots, GCs have never stepped up to a real solution that would remove this risk ever again) !!!!

Eleven Bleeding Years, not to reach a judgment (Bill is a Jerk - they reached a judgement, you just don't like it), but to decide to dismiss Mr D's case without even looking at it.



Eleven blooming years!!! Is that a "reasonable time"???? The bleeding ECHR is condemned by its own requirements to offer justice and enforce remedies "within a reasonable time"..... and Mr Demopoulos isn't alone in waiting for more than a decade for the ECHR to get off its bum and decide things within a reasonable time. How many, many years did the Loizidou and other families have to wait for the ECHR justice. (Bill is a Jerk - What of the responsibilities of the RoC courts does it include show a bias)

The other expectation of Article 6 is the right to a fair trial or hearing before an "independent tribunal" . Now who in their right mind, this side of Hell freezing over, would expect (Bill is a Jerk - Racist bigoted twat that doesn't see that RoC has never stepped up and owned up to at dealt with their responsibilities as to the present state of the island)Turkey's Scummy Craperty Tnucition to be an "independent tribunal" ????? ...and yet the ECHR tells Mr Demopoulos to go and face same people who forced him off his land at gunpoint back in '74, with the threats of death, torture, rapes and general mistreatment, that we all know were widespread, to judge his case..... and then the ECHR tells Mr D and his family that if they ain't happy with the decision of Tnucland's Scamission to appeal to the Tnucland "appeal" "court" !!!!!!!......Insult on Insult has become the ECHR way in its treatment of Mr Demopoulos. Are these the ways to protect Mr D's Human Rights???? (Bill is a jerk - the ECHR said that you cannot only consider one side as the GCs believe should be the only way)
What is the ECHR telling the rest of us in matters outside CyProb... in simple language if your rights are violated, we'll keep you waiting for over a decade, keeping alive our expectation of having our rights respected, only for the ECHR to tell us to go and sort it out with the Murderers and Rapists of this world!!!(Bill is a Jerk - as he doesn't vocally critisise his own govt's/people's actions just likes to throw as much mud to see what will stick)

So the ECHR fails and it fails miserably and by its own worthy aspirations both on the length of time that it has kept Mr Demopoulos waiting and also on the blatant and clear inadequacy of its remedy.(Bill is a jerk - how many Turkish Cypriots are kept waiting YEARS UPON YEARS for courts in RoC)



Mr Demopoulos is being punished, yep personally punished, punished as some kind of sacrificial lamb, being effectively held personally responsible for the result of the fair and democratic defeat of the Anon Scam by the good people of the Republic a few years ago. (Bill is a jerk - TCs continue to be punished despite it being the GCs having unconstitutionally declared themselves reps of the whole island)
An Anon Scam that in its final paragraph says very, very clearly that the Plan would be NULL and VOID in whole or in any of its parts if defeated in one or both refs.

(Bill is a Jerk - NULL AND VOID what all the basis of discussions over decades via the UN - maybe that exact plan, but not the underlying principles)

NULL AND VOID?? Well the ECHR doesn't think it was NULL AND VOID, and quite happy to run roughshod over the democratic will of the CY People in a Free Referendum ..... and to hold Mr Demopoulos responsible and to exert a Collective Punishment from a great many others.

Well Bill, I can honestly say you do have a lopsided view of reality that is wholly biased to the Greek Cypriot point of view.

It is clear you have no interest in the case itself but what it really means for the political monopoly power you seek for Greek Cypriots on the island. You are so transparent, for what you appear to have in smarts, you certainly leave a lot to be desired in terms of humanity and wisdom.

Forgive me for saying so mate but you talk a loada drivel.

Beg your further forgiveness by saying that one of the few things that have become transparent and clear in the wisdom of my later days is that you wouldn't recognise The Rights of Man (and Manesses) even if they were the size of a large planet, weighed several billions of tons and fell on your head from a great height..... if you don't mind my saying so.