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Postby DT. » Mon Mar 15, 2010 3:25 pm

vaughanwilliams wrote:
DT. wrote:
Acikgoz wrote:Hey DT, not criticising the piece or his interpretation, but for my 2 cents, Ali Erel is about one of the most useless players in the north. He has been so off the mark so many times, he has practically a zero following in the north, in his job postings in the north he was absolutely useless when he had the potential to do so much.
Another long in the tooth fella - little research, lots of opinion. Self assured, zero delivery. Basically he doesn't like doing work.


No problem mate, I said exactly the same thing about Bananiots hero Rolandis.


Isn't Glafcos Cleridies (sp) being shown to have hit the nail on the head in 1975/6?


explain?
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Postby Kikapu » Sun Apr 04, 2010 12:43 am

I came across this article today in the paper, and it appears that there is a challenge to the ECHR by the Chagossians people over these islands. Will their case be sent to the IPC in the "trnc" to be dealt with, or will they get screwed with the recent ECHR ruling, or will the ECHR reverse their decision and give these people what it's theirs, in which case, the ECHR may well reverse it's own ruling they made few weeks ago.!!

UK Creates World's Largest Marine Reserve
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Published: April 1, 2010

Filed at 3:19 p.m. ET
LONDON (AP) -- Britain said Thursday it will create the world's largest marine reserve by banning fishing around the U.K.-owned archipelago in the Indian Ocean -- a cluster of 55 islands across about a quarter of a million square miles of ocean.

Foreign Secretary David Miliband said commercial fishing will be halted around the Chagos Islands to allow scientific research and the preservation of coral reefs and an estimated 60 endangered species.
His ministry insisted the move would not affect operations on the island of Diego Garcia, which Britain leases to the U.S. military for use as a base. Miliband told lawmakers in 2008 that the U.S. had belatedly informed Britain it had used Diego Garcia as a stop for CIA extraordinary rendition flights.

Conservation groups and scientists welcomed the move to protect waters around the islands, reputedly some of the world's cleanest ocean, and claimed it would become as important for research as the Great Barrier Reef or Galapagos Islands.

''The territory offers great scope for research in all fields of oceanography, biodiversity and many aspects of climate change, which are core research issues for U.K. science,'' Miliband said Thursday, announcing the decision.

Halfway between Africa and Southeast Asia, the Chagos Islands have been frequently controversial for the British government.

The European Court of Human Rights is considering a long running appeal from Chagossians evicted from their homes to nearby Mauritius between 1967 and 1973 to make way for the military base. Islanders are seeking to return to their former homes.

''The creation of this marine reserve is a first step towards securing a better and sustainable future for the Chagos Islands,'' said Greenpeace activist Willie Mackenzie. ''But this future must include securing justice for the Chagossian people and the closure and removal of the Diego Garcia military base.''


Miliband said the protected zone would cover 210,000 square miles (544,000 square kilometers) of ocean, which is home to about 220 types of coral, 1,000 species of fish and 33 different seabirds.

The Chagos Environment Network -- a coalition of ocean scientists -- said the area will replace the Papahanaumokuakea Marine National Monument, in Hawaii, as the world's largest marine reserve.

Miliband said Britain has agreed to transfer control of the territory to Mauritius ''when it is no longer needed for defense purposes,'' but has not specified any timeframe.

Under the terms of the lease of Diego Garcia, the U.S. military can remain on the island until at least 2036.


http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2010/04 ... ago&st=cse
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Postby Jerry » Fri Apr 16, 2010 8:13 pm

Three more replies from MEPs in response to my letter. They do seem to be aware of the Cyprus problem and Turkey’s responsibility (no mention of Greece) in finding a solution. I have highlighted the important bits.




Dear Mr “Jerry”,
Thank you for your email regarding northern Cyprus. Mr A. read it with great interest and asked me to reply on his behalf.
The European Union does not recognise northern Cyprus and considers the situation there to be an illegal occupation. The European Court of Human Rights is also not an institution of the European Union, and as such I am afraid that neither R. nor the Commission have the power to compel the Court to change its stance. The ECHR is a separate entity above political lobbying and though its decisions often impact on the lives of European citizens, the EU takes the view that it is not bound by the rulings of the Court. However, R. asked me to make it clear that the EU has consistently sought to foster good relations between the Turkish and Cypriot communities. A major stumbling block has of course been the question of compensation for those whose homes are now occupied. The EU as a body is of the view that this problem can be solved satisfactorily but believes that any deal must come from the parties themselves and cannot be imposed by a third party. The negotiations are ongoing and R. and his Conservative colleagues are hopeful that a mutually acceptable deal.
I hope that this answers your questions, thank you again for contacting Mr A.
Yours sincerely,
E. G.
Assistant to R. A. MEP


Dear Mr Jerry,
Thank you for your email about your rights in relation to your property in Cyprus. C. has asked me to respond on her behalf and I am sorry for the delay in doing so but she receives hundreds of enquiries each day and we cannot always write back to people as promptly as we would like.
The European Court of Human Rights is totally independent from the European Parliament. Indeed it is a fundamental principle that the courts should not be subject to any kind of influence from a political body. What is more, the EU is not a signatory of the European Convention on Human Rights – rather individual countries are in a national capacity. Responsibility for upholding the Convention is therefore very much with national governments, which is why, as you have been advised, all challenges must first exhaust the national courts. The European Court of Human Rights will only consider a case if an individual considers the national courts have not acted in accordance with the Convention. So you are right that Cyprus will in the first instance determine whether or not your human rights have been breached, but there is a right of appeal via the European Court of Human Rights and this acts as a check on the national courts.
Having said that, C. does think that the European Union has an important role to play in pressing member states such as Cyprus to address corruption amongst property developers and in the courts. There is an ongoing process that allows for progress to be monitored and specific action to be taken if member states do not comply with EU law or standards. There have been moves at European Parliament level to call for reforms to national property legislation in a number of member states. MEPs have focused on cases involving property in Northern Cyprus, for example, because large numbers of citizens have lodged petitions with the Parliament about their treatment. The EU Charter of Fundamental Rights does protect the right to own property and this is also enshrined in the constitution of Cyprus. However, the legal basis for upholding these rights is far from clear-cut. The law at EU wide level has tended to focus on ensuring that European citizens receive the same treatment as nationals. Moreover, European consumer rights law excludes property and this area remains very much the responsibility of member states. So, there is currently no EU wide legislation that protects people in your situation.
C. is very conscious that the situation in Cyprus is sensitive and has written previously to the European Commission urging them to take a more proactive role in promoting a resolution to the current situation in Cyprus in the specific context of land disputes, and hopes that progress can be made on this over the next few years. In the meantime, please be assured that Greens in the European Parliament will be pressing for justice and equality to be a feature of any debate around Turkish membership of the EU.
Thank you for taking the time to write to C. about this and please do visit her website if you would like more information about her work on a range of issues.
Kind regards,
C.
Constituency Coordinator and Researcher


Dear Mr. “Jerry”,
Thank you for your email regarding the recent ECHR ruling.
You are probably aware that the ECHR is not an EU institution and is not responsible to the European Parliament. To effectively raise a complaint against its judgments I would advise that you contact the UK members of the Parliamentary Assembly for the Council of Europe, rather than your MEPs, as this is the Parliamentary body that is responsible for executing the European Charter of Human Rights.
The ECHR ruling does offer a Cypriot approach to Cypriot issues and it has endorsed the IPC as capable, fair and effective for providing redress for claims to restitution or compensation. The decision was made on this basis.
The ECHR decision also holds Turkey legally responsible under its European Charter obligations for violations of Greek Cypriot human rights. This means the legal framework is clearer and Turkey will have to accept responsibility for issuing fair judgments. Meanwhile the ECHR route still remains if IPC rulings are not found to be fair.
Yours sincerely,
S. B. MEP




And from my MP, who is a “shadow” Cabinet minister.

Dear Mr “Jerry”

Thank you for writing to me regarding the decisions of the Turkish Immovable Properties Commission in determining ownership of property in Cyprus.

At present, there is still an opportunity to make progress in finding a solution that could lead to reunification of the island, but both sides should be aware that delay at this point will not create an environment for the talks to succeed, and could have the opposite effect. Unless further signs of flexibility appear, a valuable opportunity to reaching a lasting settlement could be lost.

Conservatives have said that Britain should also do all it can to work for a peaceful settlement. That also applies to the other guarantor powers. Turkey, for instance, has a greater role to play in achieving a solution, and it would be beneficial if it showed greater flexibility in its relations with Cyprus in order to facilitate that solution. In the context, it is an interesting coincidence that the progress of Turkey’s accession to the EU is due to be evaluated at the EU’s December Council. It would undoubtedly be a good sign of Turkey’s intent to pursue its European vision if, as a candidate country, it could demonstrate good will towards its future EU colleague, Cyprus, by showing some flexibility aimed at bringing a solution.

Yours Sincerely

D.G.
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Postby bill cobbett » Fri Apr 16, 2010 11:56 pm

Jerry wrote:Three more replies from MEPs in response to my letter. They do seem to be aware of the Cyprus problem and Turkey’s responsibility (no mention of Greece) in finding a solution. I have highlighted the important bits.




Dear Mr “Jerry”,
Thank you for your email regarding northern Cyprus. Mr A. read it with great interest and asked me to reply on his behalf.
The European Union does not recognise northern Cyprus and considers the situation there to be an illegal occupation. The European Court of Human Rights is also not an institution of the European Union, and as such I am afraid that neither R. nor the Commission have the power to compel the Court to change its stance. The ECHR is a separate entity above political lobbying and though its decisions often impact on the lives of European citizens, the EU takes the view that it is not bound by the rulings of the Court. However, R. asked me to make it clear that the EU has consistently sought to foster good relations between the Turkish and Cypriot communities. A major stumbling block has of course been the question of compensation for those whose homes are now occupied. The EU as a body is of the view that this problem can be solved satisfactorily but believes that any deal must come from the parties themselves and cannot be imposed by a third party. The negotiations are ongoing and R. and his Conservative colleagues are hopeful that a mutually acceptable deal.
I hope that this answers your questions, thank you again for contacting Mr A.
Yours sincerely,
E. G.
Assistant to R. A. MEP


Dear Mr Jerry,
Thank you for your email about your rights in relation to your property in Cyprus. C. has asked me to respond on her behalf and I am sorry for the delay in doing so but she receives hundreds of enquiries each day and we cannot always write back to people as promptly as we would like.
The European Court of Human Rights is totally independent from the European Parliament. Indeed it is a fundamental principle that the courts should not be subject to any kind of influence from a political body. What is more, the EU is not a signatory of the European Convention on Human Rights – rather individual countries are in a national capacity. Responsibility for upholding the Convention is therefore very much with national governments, which is why, as you have been advised, all challenges must first exhaust the national courts. The European Court of Human Rights will only consider a case if an individual considers the national courts have not acted in accordance with the Convention. So you are right that Cyprus will in the first instance determine whether or not your human rights have been breached, but there is a right of appeal via the European Court of Human Rights and this acts as a check on the national courts.
Having said that, C. does think that the European Union has an important role to play in pressing member states such as Cyprus to address corruption amongst property developers and in the courts. There is an ongoing process that allows for progress to be monitored and specific action to be taken if member states do not comply with EU law or standards. There have been moves at European Parliament level to call for reforms to national property legislation in a number of member states. MEPs have focused on cases involving property in Northern Cyprus, for example, because large numbers of citizens have lodged petitions with the Parliament about their treatment. The EU Charter of Fundamental Rights does protect the right to own property and this is also enshrined in the constitution of Cyprus. However, the legal basis for upholding these rights is far from clear-cut. The law at EU wide level has tended to focus on ensuring that European citizens receive the same treatment as nationals. Moreover, European consumer rights law excludes property and this area remains very much the responsibility of member states. So, there is currently no EU wide legislation that protects people in your situation.
C. is very conscious that the situation in Cyprus is sensitive and has written previously to the European Commission urging them to take a more proactive role in promoting a resolution to the current situation in Cyprus in the specific context of land disputes, and hopes that progress can be made on this over the next few years. In the meantime, please be assured that Greens in the European Parliament will be pressing for justice and equality to be a feature of any debate around Turkish membership of the EU.
Thank you for taking the time to write to C. about this and please do visit her website if you would like more information about her work on a range of issues.
Kind regards,
C.
Constituency Coordinator and Researcher


Dear Mr. “Jerry”,
Thank you for your email regarding the recent ECHR ruling.
You are probably aware that the ECHR is not an EU institution and is not responsible to the European Parliament. To effectively raise a complaint against its judgments I would advise that you contact the UK members of the Parliamentary Assembly for the Council of Europe, rather than your MEPs, as this is the Parliamentary body that is responsible for executing the European Charter of Human Rights.
The ECHR ruling does offer a Cypriot approach to Cypriot issues and it has endorsed the IPC as capable, fair and effective for providing redress for claims to restitution or compensation. The decision was made on this basis.
The ECHR decision also holds Turkey legally responsible under its European Charter obligations for violations of Greek Cypriot human rights. This means the legal framework is clearer and Turkey will have to accept responsibility for issuing fair judgments. Meanwhile the ECHR route still remains if IPC rulings are not found to be fair.
Yours sincerely,
S. B. MEP




And from my MP, who is a “shadow” Cabinet minister.

Dear Mr “Jerry”

Thank you for writing to me regarding the decisions of the Turkish Immovable Properties Commission in determining ownership of property in Cyprus.

At present, there is still an opportunity to make progress in finding a solution that could lead to reunification of the island, but both sides should be aware that delay at this point will not create an environment for the talks to succeed, and could have the opposite effect. Unless further signs of flexibility appear, a valuable opportunity to reaching a lasting settlement could be lost.

Conservatives have said that Britain should also do all it can to work for a peaceful settlement. That also applies to the other guarantor powers. Turkey, for instance, has a greater role to play in achieving a solution, and it would be beneficial if it showed greater flexibility in its relations with Cyprus in order to facilitate that solution. In the context, it is an interesting coincidence that the progress of Turkey’s accession to the EU is due to be evaluated at the EU’s December Council. It would undoubtedly be a good sign of Turkey’s intent to pursue its European vision if, as a candidate country, it could demonstrate good will towards its future EU colleague, Cyprus, by showing some flexibility aimed at bringing a solution.

Yours Sincerely

D.G.


Interesting replies which remind us of the diff between the EU and the ECHR. ... and also reminds us that the "work" of Tnucland's Scam Commission which be monitored very carefully.

Leaving aside the property issue for a minute, doesn't the last sentence sum up pretty well where the hold-up has been for the last couple of years, where the obstacle for progress has been? ..... Turkey's intransigence, Turkey's inflexibility and Turkey's lack of goodwill. ....

It would undoubtedly be a good sign of Turkey’s intent to pursue its European vision if, as a candidate country, it could demonstrate good will towards its future EU colleague, Cyprus, by showing some flexibility aimed at bringing a solution.
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Postby CopperLine » Sat Apr 17, 2010 12:00 am

Jerry,
It is very troubling if an MP or his/her respondent wrote to you saying "the EU takes the view that it is not bound by the rulings of the Court." This is plain wrong and reflects very badly on a British legislator and parliamentary representative if s/he can't even get a simple piece of international and Community law right.
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Postby Oracle » Sat Apr 17, 2010 12:20 am

Still, the Council of Europe cannot force states to comply ...
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Postby Jerry » Sat Apr 17, 2010 11:19 am

CopperLine wrote:Jerry,
It is very troubling if an MP or his/her respondent wrote to you saying "the EU takes the view that it is not bound by the rulings of the Court." This is plain wrong and reflects very badly on a British legislator and parliamentary representative if s/he can't even get a simple piece of international and Community law right.


Copperline, could it be that because the EU has not yet acceded to the ECHR (or has it now?) that the respondent is technically correct even though in practice EU does feel bound? Or like you, perhaps the respondent feels that in this case the Court has made a bad decision because of” lack of speediness and problems of restitution” of the IPC. Perhaps he believes that the accession should not take place.
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Postby YFred » Sat Apr 17, 2010 11:19 am

bill cobbett wrote:
Jerry wrote:Three more replies from MEPs in response to my letter. They do seem to be aware of the Cyprus problem and Turkey’s responsibility (no mention of Greece) in finding a solution. I have highlighted the important bits.




Dear Mr “Jerry”,
Thank you for your email regarding northern Cyprus. Mr A. read it with great interest and asked me to reply on his behalf.
The European Union does not recognise northern Cyprus and considers the situation there to be an illegal occupation. The European Court of Human Rights is also not an institution of the European Union, and as such I am afraid that neither R. nor the Commission have the power to compel the Court to change its stance. The ECHR is a separate entity above political lobbying and though its decisions often impact on the lives of European citizens, the EU takes the view that it is not bound by the rulings of the Court. However, R. asked me to make it clear that the EU has consistently sought to foster good relations between the Turkish and Cypriot communities. A major stumbling block has of course been the question of compensation for those whose homes are now occupied. The EU as a body is of the view that this problem can be solved satisfactorily but believes that any deal must come from the parties themselves and cannot be imposed by a third party. The negotiations are ongoing and R. and his Conservative colleagues are hopeful that a mutually acceptable deal.
I hope that this answers your questions, thank you again for contacting Mr A.
Yours sincerely,
E. G.
Assistant to R. A. MEP


Dear Mr Jerry,
Thank you for your email about your rights in relation to your property in Cyprus. C. has asked me to respond on her behalf and I am sorry for the delay in doing so but she receives hundreds of enquiries each day and we cannot always write back to people as promptly as we would like.
The European Court of Human Rights is totally independent from the European Parliament. Indeed it is a fundamental principle that the courts should not be subject to any kind of influence from a political body. What is more, the EU is not a signatory of the European Convention on Human Rights – rather individual countries are in a national capacity. Responsibility for upholding the Convention is therefore very much with national governments, which is why, as you have been advised, all challenges must first exhaust the national courts. The European Court of Human Rights will only consider a case if an individual considers the national courts have not acted in accordance with the Convention. So you are right that Cyprus will in the first instance determine whether or not your human rights have been breached, but there is a right of appeal via the European Court of Human Rights and this acts as a check on the national courts.
Having said that, C. does think that the European Union has an important role to play in pressing member states such as Cyprus to address corruption amongst property developers and in the courts. There is an ongoing process that allows for progress to be monitored and specific action to be taken if member states do not comply with EU law or standards. There have been moves at European Parliament level to call for reforms to national property legislation in a number of member states. MEPs have focused on cases involving property in Northern Cyprus, for example, because large numbers of citizens have lodged petitions with the Parliament about their treatment. The EU Charter of Fundamental Rights does protect the right to own property and this is also enshrined in the constitution of Cyprus. However, the legal basis for upholding these rights is far from clear-cut. The law at EU wide level has tended to focus on ensuring that European citizens receive the same treatment as nationals. Moreover, European consumer rights law excludes property and this area remains very much the responsibility of member states. So, there is currently no EU wide legislation that protects people in your situation.
C. is very conscious that the situation in Cyprus is sensitive and has written previously to the European Commission urging them to take a more proactive role in promoting a resolution to the current situation in Cyprus in the specific context of land disputes, and hopes that progress can be made on this over the next few years. In the meantime, please be assured that Greens in the European Parliament will be pressing for justice and equality to be a feature of any debate around Turkish membership of the EU.
Thank you for taking the time to write to C. about this and please do visit her website if you would like more information about her work on a range of issues.
Kind regards,
C.
Constituency Coordinator and Researcher


Dear Mr. “Jerry”,
Thank you for your email regarding the recent ECHR ruling.
You are probably aware that the ECHR is not an EU institution and is not responsible to the European Parliament. To effectively raise a complaint against its judgments I would advise that you contact the UK members of the Parliamentary Assembly for the Council of Europe, rather than your MEPs, as this is the Parliamentary body that is responsible for executing the European Charter of Human Rights.
The ECHR ruling does offer a Cypriot approach to Cypriot issues and it has endorsed the IPC as capable, fair and effective for providing redress for claims to restitution or compensation. The decision was made on this basis.
The ECHR decision also holds Turkey legally responsible under its European Charter obligations for violations of Greek Cypriot human rights. This means the legal framework is clearer and Turkey will have to accept responsibility for issuing fair judgments. Meanwhile the ECHR route still remains if IPC rulings are not found to be fair.
Yours sincerely,
S. B. MEP




And from my MP, who is a “shadow” Cabinet minister.

Dear Mr “Jerry”

Thank you for writing to me regarding the decisions of the Turkish Immovable Properties Commission in determining ownership of property in Cyprus.

At present, there is still an opportunity to make progress in finding a solution that could lead to reunification of the island, but both sides should be aware that delay at this point will not create an environment for the talks to succeed, and could have the opposite effect. Unless further signs of flexibility appear, a valuable opportunity to reaching a lasting settlement could be lost.

Conservatives have said that Britain should also do all it can to work for a peaceful settlement. That also applies to the other guarantor powers. Turkey, for instance, has a greater role to play in achieving a solution, and it would be beneficial if it showed greater flexibility in its relations with Cyprus in order to facilitate that solution. In the context, it is an interesting coincidence that the progress of Turkey’s accession to the EU is due to be evaluated at the EU’s December Council. It would undoubtedly be a good sign of Turkey’s intent to pursue its European vision if, as a candidate country, it could demonstrate good will towards its future EU colleague, Cyprus, by showing some flexibility aimed at bringing a solution.

Yours Sincerely

D.G.


Interesting replies which remind us of the diff between the EU and the ECHR. ... and also reminds us that the "work" of Tnucland's Scam Commission which be monitored very carefully.

Leaving aside the property issue for a minute, doesn't the last sentence sum up pretty well where the hold-up has been for the last couple of years, where the obstacle for progress has been? ..... Turkey's intransigence, Turkey's inflexibility and Turkey's lack of goodwill. ....

It would undoubtedly be a good sign of Turkey’s intent to pursue its European vision if, as a candidate country, it could demonstrate good will towards its future EU colleague, Cyprus, by showing some flexibility aimed at bringing a solution.

What if the Turkish actions so far and getting the agreement in 2004 is interpreated as good will and that flexibilty? Then what?
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Postby boomerang » Sat Apr 17, 2010 11:38 am

YFred wrote:
bill cobbett wrote:
Jerry wrote:Three more replies from MEPs in response to my letter. They do seem to be aware of the Cyprus problem and Turkey’s responsibility (no mention of Greece) in finding a solution. I have highlighted the important bits.




Dear Mr “Jerry”,
Thank you for your email regarding northern Cyprus. Mr A. read it with great interest and asked me to reply on his behalf.
The European Union does not recognise northern Cyprus and considers the situation there to be an illegal occupation. The European Court of Human Rights is also not an institution of the European Union, and as such I am afraid that neither R. nor the Commission have the power to compel the Court to change its stance. The ECHR is a separate entity above political lobbying and though its decisions often impact on the lives of European citizens, the EU takes the view that it is not bound by the rulings of the Court. However, R. asked me to make it clear that the EU has consistently sought to foster good relations between the Turkish and Cypriot communities. A major stumbling block has of course been the question of compensation for those whose homes are now occupied. The EU as a body is of the view that this problem can be solved satisfactorily but believes that any deal must come from the parties themselves and cannot be imposed by a third party. The negotiations are ongoing and R. and his Conservative colleagues are hopeful that a mutually acceptable deal.
I hope that this answers your questions, thank you again for contacting Mr A.
Yours sincerely,
E. G.
Assistant to R. A. MEP


Dear Mr Jerry,
Thank you for your email about your rights in relation to your property in Cyprus. C. has asked me to respond on her behalf and I am sorry for the delay in doing so but she receives hundreds of enquiries each day and we cannot always write back to people as promptly as we would like.
The European Court of Human Rights is totally independent from the European Parliament. Indeed it is a fundamental principle that the courts should not be subject to any kind of influence from a political body. What is more, the EU is not a signatory of the European Convention on Human Rights – rather individual countries are in a national capacity. Responsibility for upholding the Convention is therefore very much with national governments, which is why, as you have been advised, all challenges must first exhaust the national courts. The European Court of Human Rights will only consider a case if an individual considers the national courts have not acted in accordance with the Convention. So you are right that Cyprus will in the first instance determine whether or not your human rights have been breached, but there is a right of appeal via the European Court of Human Rights and this acts as a check on the national courts.
Having said that, C. does think that the European Union has an important role to play in pressing member states such as Cyprus to address corruption amongst property developers and in the courts. There is an ongoing process that allows for progress to be monitored and specific action to be taken if member states do not comply with EU law or standards. There have been moves at European Parliament level to call for reforms to national property legislation in a number of member states. MEPs have focused on cases involving property in Northern Cyprus, for example, because large numbers of citizens have lodged petitions with the Parliament about their treatment. The EU Charter of Fundamental Rights does protect the right to own property and this is also enshrined in the constitution of Cyprus. However, the legal basis for upholding these rights is far from clear-cut. The law at EU wide level has tended to focus on ensuring that European citizens receive the same treatment as nationals. Moreover, European consumer rights law excludes property and this area remains very much the responsibility of member states. So, there is currently no EU wide legislation that protects people in your situation.
C. is very conscious that the situation in Cyprus is sensitive and has written previously to the European Commission urging them to take a more proactive role in promoting a resolution to the current situation in Cyprus in the specific context of land disputes, and hopes that progress can be made on this over the next few years. In the meantime, please be assured that Greens in the European Parliament will be pressing for justice and equality to be a feature of any debate around Turkish membership of the EU.
Thank you for taking the time to write to C. about this and please do visit her website if you would like more information about her work on a range of issues.
Kind regards,
C.
Constituency Coordinator and Researcher


Dear Mr. “Jerry”,
Thank you for your email regarding the recent ECHR ruling.
You are probably aware that the ECHR is not an EU institution and is not responsible to the European Parliament. To effectively raise a complaint against its judgments I would advise that you contact the UK members of the Parliamentary Assembly for the Council of Europe, rather than your MEPs, as this is the Parliamentary body that is responsible for executing the European Charter of Human Rights.
The ECHR ruling does offer a Cypriot approach to Cypriot issues and it has endorsed the IPC as capable, fair and effective for providing redress for claims to restitution or compensation. The decision was made on this basis.
The ECHR decision also holds Turkey legally responsible under its European Charter obligations for violations of Greek Cypriot human rights. This means the legal framework is clearer and Turkey will have to accept responsibility for issuing fair judgments. Meanwhile the ECHR route still remains if IPC rulings are not found to be fair.
Yours sincerely,
S. B. MEP




And from my MP, who is a “shadow” Cabinet minister.

Dear Mr “Jerry”

Thank you for writing to me regarding the decisions of the Turkish Immovable Properties Commission in determining ownership of property in Cyprus.

At present, there is still an opportunity to make progress in finding a solution that could lead to reunification of the island, but both sides should be aware that delay at this point will not create an environment for the talks to succeed, and could have the opposite effect. Unless further signs of flexibility appear, a valuable opportunity to reaching a lasting settlement could be lost.

Conservatives have said that Britain should also do all it can to work for a peaceful settlement. That also applies to the other guarantor powers. Turkey, for instance, has a greater role to play in achieving a solution, and it would be beneficial if it showed greater flexibility in its relations with Cyprus in order to facilitate that solution. In the context, it is an interesting coincidence that the progress of Turkey’s accession to the EU is due to be evaluated at the EU’s December Council. It would undoubtedly be a good sign of Turkey’s intent to pursue its European vision if, as a candidate country, it could demonstrate good will towards its future EU colleague, Cyprus, by showing some flexibility aimed at bringing a solution.

Yours Sincerely

D.G.


Interesting replies which remind us of the diff between the EU and the ECHR. ... and also reminds us that the "work" of Tnucland's Scam Commission which be monitored very carefully.

Leaving aside the property issue for a minute, doesn't the last sentence sum up pretty well where the hold-up has been for the last couple of years, where the obstacle for progress has been? ..... Turkey's intransigence, Turkey's inflexibility and Turkey's lack of goodwill. ....

It would undoubtedly be a good sign of Turkey’s intent to pursue its European vision if, as a candidate country, it could demonstrate good will towards its future EU colleague, Cyprus, by showing some flexibility aimed at bringing a solution.

What if the Turkish actions so far and getting the agreement in 2004 is interpreated as good will and that flexibilty? Then what?


there was no if you moron when erdogan was gloating with we got everything we asked for...notice erdogan said it and not a tc leader?...
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Postby YFred » Sat Apr 17, 2010 11:41 am

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bill cobbett wrote:
Jerry wrote:Three more replies from MEPs in response to my letter. They do seem to be aware of the Cyprus problem and Turkey’s responsibility (no mention of Greece) in finding a solution. I have highlighted the important bits.




Dear Mr “Jerry”,
Thank you for your email regarding northern Cyprus. Mr A. read it with great interest and asked me to reply on his behalf.
The European Union does not recognise northern Cyprus and considers the situation there to be an illegal occupation. The European Court of Human Rights is also not an institution of the European Union, and as such I am afraid that neither R. nor the Commission have the power to compel the Court to change its stance. The ECHR is a separate entity above political lobbying and though its decisions often impact on the lives of European citizens, the EU takes the view that it is not bound by the rulings of the Court. However, R. asked me to make it clear that the EU has consistently sought to foster good relations between the Turkish and Cypriot communities. A major stumbling block has of course been the question of compensation for those whose homes are now occupied. The EU as a body is of the view that this problem can be solved satisfactorily but believes that any deal must come from the parties themselves and cannot be imposed by a third party. The negotiations are ongoing and R. and his Conservative colleagues are hopeful that a mutually acceptable deal.
I hope that this answers your questions, thank you again for contacting Mr A.
Yours sincerely,
E. G.
Assistant to R. A. MEP


Dear Mr Jerry,
Thank you for your email about your rights in relation to your property in Cyprus. C. has asked me to respond on her behalf and I am sorry for the delay in doing so but she receives hundreds of enquiries each day and we cannot always write back to people as promptly as we would like.
The European Court of Human Rights is totally independent from the European Parliament. Indeed it is a fundamental principle that the courts should not be subject to any kind of influence from a political body. What is more, the EU is not a signatory of the European Convention on Human Rights – rather individual countries are in a national capacity. Responsibility for upholding the Convention is therefore very much with national governments, which is why, as you have been advised, all challenges must first exhaust the national courts. The European Court of Human Rights will only consider a case if an individual considers the national courts have not acted in accordance with the Convention. So you are right that Cyprus will in the first instance determine whether or not your human rights have been breached, but there is a right of appeal via the European Court of Human Rights and this acts as a check on the national courts.
Having said that, C. does think that the European Union has an important role to play in pressing member states such as Cyprus to address corruption amongst property developers and in the courts. There is an ongoing process that allows for progress to be monitored and specific action to be taken if member states do not comply with EU law or standards. There have been moves at European Parliament level to call for reforms to national property legislation in a number of member states. MEPs have focused on cases involving property in Northern Cyprus, for example, because large numbers of citizens have lodged petitions with the Parliament about their treatment. The EU Charter of Fundamental Rights does protect the right to own property and this is also enshrined in the constitution of Cyprus. However, the legal basis for upholding these rights is far from clear-cut. The law at EU wide level has tended to focus on ensuring that European citizens receive the same treatment as nationals. Moreover, European consumer rights law excludes property and this area remains very much the responsibility of member states. So, there is currently no EU wide legislation that protects people in your situation.
C. is very conscious that the situation in Cyprus is sensitive and has written previously to the European Commission urging them to take a more proactive role in promoting a resolution to the current situation in Cyprus in the specific context of land disputes, and hopes that progress can be made on this over the next few years. In the meantime, please be assured that Greens in the European Parliament will be pressing for justice and equality to be a feature of any debate around Turkish membership of the EU.
Thank you for taking the time to write to C. about this and please do visit her website if you would like more information about her work on a range of issues.
Kind regards,
C.
Constituency Coordinator and Researcher


Dear Mr. “Jerry”,
Thank you for your email regarding the recent ECHR ruling.
You are probably aware that the ECHR is not an EU institution and is not responsible to the European Parliament. To effectively raise a complaint against its judgments I would advise that you contact the UK members of the Parliamentary Assembly for the Council of Europe, rather than your MEPs, as this is the Parliamentary body that is responsible for executing the European Charter of Human Rights.
The ECHR ruling does offer a Cypriot approach to Cypriot issues and it has endorsed the IPC as capable, fair and effective for providing redress for claims to restitution or compensation. The decision was made on this basis.
The ECHR decision also holds Turkey legally responsible under its European Charter obligations for violations of Greek Cypriot human rights. This means the legal framework is clearer and Turkey will have to accept responsibility for issuing fair judgments. Meanwhile the ECHR route still remains if IPC rulings are not found to be fair.
Yours sincerely,
S. B. MEP




And from my MP, who is a “shadow” Cabinet minister.

Dear Mr “Jerry”

Thank you for writing to me regarding the decisions of the Turkish Immovable Properties Commission in determining ownership of property in Cyprus.

At present, there is still an opportunity to make progress in finding a solution that could lead to reunification of the island, but both sides should be aware that delay at this point will not create an environment for the talks to succeed, and could have the opposite effect. Unless further signs of flexibility appear, a valuable opportunity to reaching a lasting settlement could be lost.

Conservatives have said that Britain should also do all it can to work for a peaceful settlement. That also applies to the other guarantor powers. Turkey, for instance, has a greater role to play in achieving a solution, and it would be beneficial if it showed greater flexibility in its relations with Cyprus in order to facilitate that solution. In the context, it is an interesting coincidence that the progress of Turkey’s accession to the EU is due to be evaluated at the EU’s December Council. It would undoubtedly be a good sign of Turkey’s intent to pursue its European vision if, as a candidate country, it could demonstrate good will towards its future EU colleague, Cyprus, by showing some flexibility aimed at bringing a solution.

Yours Sincerely

D.G.


Interesting replies which remind us of the diff between the EU and the ECHR. ... and also reminds us that the "work" of Tnucland's Scam Commission which be monitored very carefully.

Leaving aside the property issue for a minute, doesn't the last sentence sum up pretty well where the hold-up has been for the last couple of years, where the obstacle for progress has been? ..... Turkey's intransigence, Turkey's inflexibility and Turkey's lack of goodwill. ....

It would undoubtedly be a good sign of Turkey’s intent to pursue its European vision if, as a candidate country, it could demonstrate good will towards its future EU colleague, Cyprus, by showing some flexibility aimed at bringing a solution.

What if the Turkish actions so far and getting the agreement in 2004 is interpreated as good will and that flexibilty? Then what?


there was no if you moron when erdogan was gloating with we got everything we asked for...notice erdogan said it and not a tc leader?...

Perhaps you can explain why Greece, EU and UN backed the plan.
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