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VW, even Cherie Booth/Blair does not agree with your notion of bias. She was adamant in Court that there was no actual bias only apparent bias and people like you would not be able to tell the difference.

His "substantial contribution"? Delivering a just verdict. He did not need to declare an interest, he's always been Greek. Oram's counsel knew that before the trial. It was suggested that they kept this bias notion in reserve as an "ambush" in case the verdict went against Orams.

Of course the judge in the High Court has always been English; just like the Orams. Should he have stood down?

Had this English judge found against the foreigner Apostolides, what would you have made of accusations of bias, vaughan?

Both you and Jerry miss, or care to miss, the point.

1. It has nothing to do with the judge being Greek, it has to do with the award he recieved from the GC government for his "substantial contribution" to Cyprus. He could have been Chinese and the lack of impartiality would still be there.
2. Apparent bias is sufficient to cast doubt on impartiallity according to the precedent I have mentioned. It is not my opinion but was that of the Crown.
3. The "substantial contribution" was not "delivering a just verdict" as the one came before the other. However, he may be in line for another "award" since the verdict.
4. If some hypothetical English judge had a political interest in Cyprus, in some way or another, then yes, he should also have stood down. A judge sharing nationality with either a plaintiff or defendant is not an "interest". If it were courts would not be able to function.

Sorry vaughan, but I don't think you're in a position to deliver a just verdict as to this judge's apparent bias; given that, like the Orams, you got swindled and are trespassing in the north.

Your "substantial contribution" to the outlaw regime casts doubt over your impartiality.

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[vaughanwilliams]

VW, even Cherie Booth/Blair does not agree with your notion of bias. She was adamant in Court that there was no actual bias only apparent bias and people like you would not be able to tell the difference.

His "substantial contribution"? Delivering a just verdict. He did not need to declare an interest, he's always been Greek. Oram's counsel knew that before the trial. It was suggested that they kept this bias notion in reserve as an "ambush" in case the verdict went against Orams.

Of course the judge in the High Court has always been English; just like the Orams. Should he have stood down?

Had this English judge found against the foreigner Apostolides, what would you have made of accusations of bias, vaughan?

Both you and Jerry miss, or care to miss, the point.

1. It has nothing to do with the judge being Greek, it has to do with the award he recieved from the GC government for his "substantial contribution" to Cyprus. He could have been Chinese and the lack of impartiality would still be there.
2. Apparent bias is sufficient to cast doubt on impartiallity according to the precedent I have mentioned. It is not my opinion but was that of the Crown.
3. The "substantial contribution" was not "delivering a just verdict" as the one came before the other. However, he may be in line for another "award" since the verdict.
4. If some hypothetical English judge had a political interest in Cyprus, in some way or another, then yes, he should also have stood down. A judge sharing nationality with either a plaintiff or defendant is not an "interest". If it were courts would not be able to function.

Sorry vaughan, but I don't think you're in a position to deliver a just verdict as to this judge's apparent bias; given that, like the Orams, you got swindled and are trespassing in the north.

Your "substantial contribution" to the outlaw regime casts doubt over your impartiality.

Sorry, Malacrapper, this isn't about me delivering a just verdict, or my substantial contribution, as you well know.
It's not my impartiallity thats in question here. I'll happily put my hands up and declare my bias. I'm not impartial at all, I think you GCs suck.

[growuptcs]

vaughanwilliams:
Sorry, Malacrapper, this isn't about me delivering a just verdict, or my substantial contribution, as you well know.
It's not my impartiallity thats in question here. I'll happily put my hands up and declare my bias. I'm not impartial at all, I think you GCs suck.

And your an imbred Ottoman remnant who preaches hate for eternal division.

[vaughanwilliams]

vaughanwilliams:
Sorry, Malacrapper, this isn't about me delivering a just verdict, or my substantial contribution, as you well know.
It's not my impartiallity thats in question here. I'll happily put my hands up and declare my bias. I'm not impartial at all, I think you GCs suck.

And your an imbred Ottoman remnant who preaches hate for eternal division.

You got that wrong. I'm a gavur, just like you.
I don't preach hate at all. That you suck is just my opinion.

[Malapapa]

I'll happily put my hands up and declare my bias. I'm not impartial at all, I think you GCs suck.

You think a whole group of people suck? Every single one? Why are you such a racist?

I don't think Brits suck - far from it. Just Brit carpetbaggers. And the racist ones are total scum.

[DT.]

a good interview by Politis with Ali Erel
Its in Greek but the main point Erel is saying are:
- Turkey has basically purchased a delay in having the ECHR decisions affecting this critical time regarding the EU application. The applications will return to the ECHR but with a delay.
- The TC's have been pushed aside of this entire process. Turkey has admitted that this is an internal Turkish remedy. The word occupation is used continuously and the fact that the couterpart to the ECHR can only be recognised countries.



http://www.politis-news.com/cgibin/hweb ... V=articles

[YFred]

So instead of taking 10 billion years it will now take 20 billion years. Yeah righ, what ever it is you are taking, I'll have a few kilos of bean, what?

You can live in denial for so long, sonner or later you will have to be woken up from your deep slumber.

[Acikgoz]

Hey DT, not criticising the piece or his interpretation, but for my 2 cents, Ali Erel is about one of the most useless players in the north. He has been so off the mark so many times, he has practically a zero following in the north, in his job postings in the north he was absolutely useless when he had the potential to do so much.
Another long in the tooth fella - little research, lots of opinion. Self assured, zero delivery. Basically he doesn't like doing work.

[DT.]

Hey DT, not criticising the piece or his interpretation, but for my 2 cents, Ali Erel is about one of the most useless players in the north. He has been so off the mark so many times, he has practically a zero following in the north, in his job postings in the north he was absolutely useless when he had the potential to do so much.
Another long in the tooth fella - little research, lots of opinion. Self assured, zero delivery. Basically he doesn't like doing work.

No problem mate, I said exactly the same thing about Bananiots hero Rolandis.

[vaughanwilliams]

Hey DT, not criticising the piece or his interpretation, but for my 2 cents, Ali Erel is about one of the most useless players in the north. He has been so off the mark so many times, he has practically a zero following in the north, in his job postings in the north he was absolutely useless when he had the potential to do so much.
Another long in the tooth fella - little research, lots of opinion. Self assured, zero delivery. Basically he doesn't like doing work.

No problem mate, I said exactly the same thing about Bananiots hero Rolandis.

Isn't Glafcos Cleridies (sp) being shown to have hit the nail on the head in 1975/6?