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I won’t vote ‘yes’ again

Postby Viewpoint » Fri Jul 22, 2005 10:12 am

A letter in the Cyprus mail posted today makes interesting reading,

I’m sick and tired of reading each week, articles and letters from Greek Cypriots presenting themselves as the sole victims of the Cyprus conflict. I particularly find it insulting as my family were forced by Greeks to leave their homes in the south as early as 1964! We are still prevented from returning, our possessions stolen and our homes have been bulldozed lest we decide to return.

The Greek side blames Turkish Cypriots for the lack of a political settlement even though they are the ones who rejected a UN plan aimed to reunify Cyprus. Despite our good will in voting to give up our sovereignty, our own state, they are preventing us from having any links with the rest of the world.

Even as an ex-reunification supporter this infuriates me and I feel total anger and resentment. I foolishly voted ‘yes’ in the last referenda, but mark my words if I get a second chance I will vote against reunification and I will encourage others to do so. Efforts to keep us isolated will not last forever and like many Turkish Cypriots who are becoming increasingly fed up with the hypocrisy of the south we will not make the same mistake of voting ‘yes’ again. If I am forced to emigrate out of poverty, then I would sooner leave northern Cyprus to the settler Turks and Kurds than to Greeks.


This attitude is increasingly gaining momentum in the north and if left to fester will leave GCs negotiating with settlers rather than TCs, what do GC forum members think about this and are they concerned that time is working against them?? or is it just better to ignore it and it will go away attitude is more appropriate?
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Re: I won’t vote ‘yes’ again

Postby Kifeas » Fri Jul 22, 2005 10:20 am

Viewpoint wrote:A letter in the Cyprus mail posted today makes interesting reading,

I’m sick and tired of reading each week, articles and letters from Greek Cypriots presenting themselves as the sole victims of the Cyprus conflict. I particularly find it insulting as my family were forced by Greeks to leave their homes in the south as early as 1964! We are still prevented from returning, our possessions stolen and our homes have been bulldozed lest we decide to return.

The Greek side blames Turkish Cypriots for the lack of a political settlement even though they are the ones who rejected a UN plan aimed to reunify Cyprus. Despite our good will in voting to give up our sovereignty, our own state, they are preventing us from having any links with the rest of the world.

Even as an ex-reunification supporter this infuriates me and I feel total anger and resentment. I foolishly voted ‘yes’ in the last referenda, but mark my words if I get a second chance I will vote against reunification and I will encourage others to do so. Efforts to keep us isolated will not last forever and like many Turkish Cypriots who are becoming increasingly fed up with the hypocrisy of the south we will not make the same mistake of voting ‘yes’ again. If I am forced to emigrate out of poverty, then I would sooner leave northern Cyprus to the settler Turks and Kurds than to Greeks.


This attitude is increasing gaining momentum in the north and if left to fester will leave GCs negotiating with settlers rather than TCs, what do GC forum members think about this and are they concerned that time is working against them?? or is it just better to ignore it and it will go away attitude is more appropriate?


Does this letter also have your name under it? Not for any other reason but just to find out what your name is.

Even if you didn't post it here and I had just read it my self -independently, I would have said with a 100% certainty that it came from your hands, because you posted in this forum the same things, in exactly the same tone and vocabulary, numerous times.
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Re: I won’t vote ‘yes’ again

Postby Alexandros Lordos » Fri Jul 22, 2005 10:23 am

Viewpoint wrote:A letter in the Cyprus mail posted today makes interesting reading,

I’m sick and tired of reading each week, articles and letters from Greek Cypriots presenting themselves as the sole victims of the Cyprus conflict. I particularly find it insulting as my family were forced by Greeks to leave their homes in the south as early as 1964! We are still prevented from returning, our possessions stolen and our homes have been bulldozed lest we decide to return.

The Greek side blames Turkish Cypriots for the lack of a political settlement even though they are the ones who rejected a UN plan aimed to reunify Cyprus. Despite our good will in voting to give up our sovereignty, our own state, they are preventing us from having any links with the rest of the world.

Even as an ex-reunification supporter this infuriates me and I feel total anger and resentment. I foolishly voted ‘yes’ in the last referenda, but mark my words if I get a second chance I will vote against reunification and I will encourage others to do so. Efforts to keep us isolated will not last forever and like many Turkish Cypriots who are becoming increasingly fed up with the hypocrisy of the south we will not make the same mistake of voting ‘yes’ again. If I am forced to emigrate out of poverty, then I would sooner leave northern Cyprus to the settler Turks and Kurds than to Greeks.


This attitude is increasing gaining momentum in the north and if left to fester will leave GCs negotiating with settlers rather than TCs, what do GC forum members think about this and are they concerned that time is working against them?? or is it just better to ignore it and it will go away attitude is more appropriate?


It is truly sad and disturbing to see people feeling this way. It won't go away by ignoring it, but neither is there an easy cure ...

I like to hope that if negotiations recommence, and if the two leaders decide to adopt a mutually respectful approach - as opposed to the cold war that they have so far engaged in - then sentiments might begin to change.

At least both sides are trying to make steps in the right direction: The TC leadership has allowed progress to be made on the missing persons issue, while the GC leadership is trying to find legal ways for the TCs to get direct trade. So perhaps the popular mood will swing in a year or two ...
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Postby Viewpoint » Fri Jul 22, 2005 10:37 am

Kifeas my friend, this letter has nothing to do with me but as you quite rightly say its supports many of my arguements as I tend to inject into the forum what TCs are really thinking and their concerns. Although on many occassions I have been wrongly accused of being pro division this is only in light of GC mentality and a lack of trust and dimished hope that the issue will ever be resolved, this is very common amongst TCs.

Kifeas you can find details of the author which is not me on Cyprus Mail under letters..
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Postby Kifeas » Fri Jul 22, 2005 10:44 am

Viewpoint wrote:Kifeas my friend, this letter has nothing to do with me but as you quite rightly say its supports many of my arguements as I tend to inject into the forum what TCs are really thinking and their concerns. Although on many occassions I have been wrongly accused of being pro division this is only in light of GC mentality and a lack of trust and dimished hope that the issue will ever be resolved, this is very common amongst TCs.

Kifeas you can find details of the author which is not me on Cyprus Mail under letters..


Can you tell me what you have personally contributed in order for this trust to gradually become re-established? Because all I hear from you is "there is no trust," "there is no trust," "there is no trust!" When there is a fire, besides calling for help or setting the alarm on, we must also pick up our buckets to fetch water. I do not see you doing that in any way, but to the contrary, you seem to be blowing air so that the fire becomes stronger. At least as far as most of your postings here are concerned.
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Postby Viewpoint » Fri Jul 22, 2005 11:12 am

Kifeas thankyou for your attempt at constructive criticism about my perspective of things, as far as I can gather you have become uncomfortable with the fact that there are other TCs that think like me, please believe me we are many in numbers and increasing. This increase is very much related with GC attitude towards us and a solution, so you can attribute some of the blame or praise upon yourself however you wish to view it.

As for what have I done towards building trust firstly I constantly bring to light that it is our biggest problem and that if we can overcome this issue others will be much easier to solve. I have many GC friends who I believe trust and respect me and vice versa. the problem is not on a one to one basis but on a collective basis our ideals and goals differ and this is natural as we have lived seperately for 31 years and all have different perspectives. I suggest you re-read some of my post to see the unerlying constructive message I have from time to time tried to convey but only a few members have really pick up on this namely Alex and Cannedmoose, your blinkered vision of me and many TCs leads me to believe that whatever contribution I attempt to make will in your eyes be evlauated negatively. I suggest you do a little soul searching and stop testing peoples intelligence, accepting each individual as they are and concentrate on your own outlook towards us and a possible solution be it unification or recognized partition.
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Postby Viewpoint » Fri Jul 22, 2005 11:13 am

Kifeas thankyou for your attempt at constructive criticism about my perspective of things, as far as I can gather you have become uncomfortable with the fact that there are other TCs that think like me, please believe me we are many in numbers and increasing. This increase is very much related with GC attitude towards us and a solution, so you can attribute some of the blame or praise upon yourself however you wish to view it.

As for what have I done towards building trust firstly I constantly bring to light that it is our biggest problem and that if we can overcome this issue others will be much easier to solve. I have many GC friends who I believe trust and respect me and vice versa. the problem is not on a one to one basis but on a collective basis our ideals and goals differ and this is natural as we have lived seperately for 31 years and all have different perspectives. I suggest you re-read some of my post to see the unerlying constructive message I have from time to time tried to convey but only a few members have really pick up on this namely Alex and Cannedmoose, your blinkered vision of me and many TCs leads me to believe that whatever contribution I attempt to make will in your eyes be evlauated negatively. I suggest you do a little soul searching and stop testing peoples intelligence, accepting each individual as they are and concentrate on your own outlook towards us and a possible solution be it unification or recognized partition.
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Postby Viewpoint » Fri Jul 22, 2005 11:15 am

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Postby cypezokyli » Fri Jul 22, 2005 11:27 am

ultimatums can only bring the opposite outcome. even though i do support a beginning of the negotiations.

anger and resentment is also not going to lead anywhere.

the author is perfectly right in arguing that gc were not the only ones that suffered. even though we regularly make it appear like that.

he is also right in demanding an immidiate solution.

the fact thought that he appears to be sure that
"Efforts to keep us isolated will not last forever "
appears to give a second motive for rejecting a second plan.
and questions the true motives of his first "yes".
a true reuinification supporter
or a reunification supporter in the absence of other alternative?

i am really sad that this dissapointment exists but i guess such articles are not helpfull in building trust.
at least i wish that some gc politicians will read it.
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Postby Viewpoint » Fri Jul 22, 2005 11:34 am

What in GCs view can be done by the south to turn the tide??? any suggestions??
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