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[bill cobbett]

My Beloved Fellow Fighters in the National Liberation Struggle, Blessed Company of Travellers on the Long March to A Free Kyrenia, Morphou, Lapithos, Karpas and all other points north.

None of us thought this was going to be easy, an easy, peasy walk in the park did we?

In retrospect, we should all of us have expected the ECHR decision of last week. After all the Property Crapision Scam was the invention of the Court, a court overwhelmed with the 1500, and quickly rising, cases before it. Naturally, and say again with the benefit of hindsight, it would defend its Ugly Illegitimate Baby, even if it means this Mother jumping in to bed with the Turkish Occupying Power, justifying its ruling with the most morally indefensible, perverted and contorted legal reasonings. So indefensible in many areas, but particularly in its involving the Racist Tnucland "Appeal" "court" in the affairs of Free Men, that despite the lack of an appeal remedy to the ECHR, have every faith that the lawyers in the Free Parts of Nicosia with the uncompromising and patriotic dispossessed will find us a workaround.

Perhaps and again also with the benefit of hindsight we have had an over-reliance on the Property front before various courts in Europe. It's understandable, after all we have had some great victories but perhaps, whilst we await further advise from the expert lawyers, we should explore the other avenues available at the ECHR, ones that have nothing to do with property, ones where the Court won't be able to wash off its filthy hands so easily, with claims of an "effective" "local" "remedy" in its Tuncland Scam Commission.

This by the way (and this is the last word here on Property) is Article 53 of the Convention.......

Article 53 Safeguard for existing human rights
Nothing in this Convention shall be construed as limiting or derogating from any of the human rights and fundamental freedoms which may be ensured under the laws of any High Contracting Party or under any other agreement to which it is a Party.

Now, stick non-legal neck out and say .....CY is a High Contracting Party and it may be fruitful for the lawyers to look at the laws of the Republic and the respect for the property rights of the CY citizen in those laws in the light of Article 53. Stick neck out further ... don't these CY Property Laws have Primacy over any in a Racist Apartheid Puppet "state" ?
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In any event, here are some of the other Articles which gives us chances to move further outside Property....

Article 14 Prohibition of discrimination
The enjoyment of the rights and freedoms set forth in this Convention shall be secured without discrimination on any ground such as sex, race, colour, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin, association with a national minority, property, birth or other status.

This is Article 2 of The Accompanying Protocol....
Article 2 Freedom of movement
1 Everyone lawfully within the territory of a State shall, within that territory, have the right to liberty of movement and freedom to choose his residence.
2 Everyone shall be free to leave any country, including his own.
3 No restrictions shall be placed on the exercise of these rights other than such as are in accordance with law and are necessary in a democratic society in the interests of national security or public safety, for the maintenance of ordre public, for the prevention of crime, for the protection of health or morals, or for the protection of the rights and freedoms of others.

Article 3 of The Protocol....
Article 3 ñ Prohibition of expulsion of nationals
1 No one shall be expelled, by means either of an individual or of a collective measure, from the territory of the State of which he is a national.
2 No one shall be deprived of the right to enter the territory of the state of which he is a national.

This is Article 1 of the 12th Protocol.........
Article 1 General prohibition of discrimination
1 The enjoyment of any right set forth by law shall be secured without discrimination on any ground such as sex, race, colour, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin, association with a national minority, property, birth or other status.
2 No one shall be discriminated against by any public authority on any ground such as those mentioned in paragraph 1.

(That lot won't sit too comfortably in racist, discrimi"nation" Tnucland)

http://www.echr.coe.int/NR/rdonlyres/D5 ... nglais.pdf

What am saying comrades, is that there are many avenues outside property open for individual actions against Turkey. .... and ask this of you all.... How many tens of thousands are having their rights, as defined in the above Articles (outside of property), denied by The Racist, Apartheid, Turkish Puppet State this day?

[Acikgoz]

Billy the belligerent.

Why don't you give us some comments on why TCs cannot freely access their properties in the south? The property issue is now an albatros around the neck of GCs.

All your work is anti TC, you are a beacon for win-lose politics which leaves most normal people suffering due to your selfish pride. You start getting into issues of discrimination, just take a look at the mentality and actions of GCs and the ingrained racism.

[halil]

My Beloved Fellow Fighters in the National Liberation Struggle, Blessed Company of Travellers on the Long March to A Free Kyrenia, Morphou, Lapithos, Karpas and all other points north.

None of us thought this was going to be easy, an easy, peasy walk in the park did we?

In retrospect, we should all of us have expected the ECHR decision of last week. After all the Property Crapision Scam was the invention of the Court, a court overwhelmed with the 1500, and quickly rising, cases before it. Naturally, and say again with the benefit of hindsight, it would defend its Ugly Illegitimate Baby, even if it means this Mother jumping in to bed with the Turkish Occupying Power, justifying its ruling with the most morally indefensible, perverted and contorted legal reasonings. So indefensible in many areas, but particularly in its involving the Racist Tnucland "Appeal" "court" in the affairs of Free Men, that despite the lack of an appeal remedy to the ECHR, have every faith that the lawyers in the Free Parts of Nicosia with the uncompromising and patriotic dispossessed will find us a workaround.

Perhaps and again also with the benefit of hindsight we have had an over-reliance on the Property front before various courts in Europe. It's understandable, after all we have had some great victories but perhaps, whilst we await further advise from the expert lawyers, we should explore the other avenues available at the ECHR, ones that have nothing to do with property, ones where the Court won't be able to wash off its filthy hands so easily, with claims of an "effective" "local" "remedy" in its Tuncland Scam Commission.

This by the way (and this is the last word here on Property) is Article 53 of the Convention.......

Article 53 Safeguard for existing human rights
Nothing in this Convention shall be construed as limiting or derogating from any of the human rights and fundamental freedoms which may be ensured under the laws of any High Contracting Party or under any other agreement to which it is a Party.

Now, stick non-legal neck out and say .....CY is a High Contracting Party and it may be fruitful for the lawyers to look at the laws of the Republic and the respect for the property rights of the CY citizen in those laws in the light of Article 53. Stick neck out further ... don't these CY Property Laws have Primacy over any in a Racist Apartheid Puppet "state" ?
-----

In any event, here are some of the other Articles which gives us chances to move further outside Property....

Article 14 Prohibition of discrimination
The enjoyment of the rights and freedoms set forth in this Convention shall be secured without discrimination on any ground such as sex, race, colour, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin, association with a national minority, property, birth or other status.

This is Article 2 of The Accompanying Protocol....
Article 2 Freedom of movement
1 Everyone lawfully within the territory of a State shall, within that territory, have the right to liberty of movement and freedom to choose his residence.
2 Everyone shall be free to leave any country, including his own.
3 No restrictions shall be placed on the exercise of these rights other than such as are in accordance with law and are necessary in a democratic society in the interests of national security or public safety, for the maintenance of ordre public, for the prevention of crime, for the protection of health or morals, or for the protection of the rights and freedoms of others.

Article 3 of The Protocol....
Article 3 ñ Prohibition of expulsion of nationals
1 No one shall be expelled, by means either of an individual or of a collective measure, from the territory of the State of which he is a national.
2 No one shall be deprived of the right to enter the territory of the state of which he is a national.

This is Article 1 of the 12th Protocol.........
Article 1 General prohibition of discrimination
1 The enjoyment of any right set forth by law shall be secured without discrimination on any ground such as sex, race, colour, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin, association with a national minority, property, birth or other status.
2 No one shall be discriminated against by any public authority on any ground such as those mentioned in paragraph 1.

(That lot won't sit too comfortably in racist, discrimi"nation" Tnucland)

http://www.echr.coe.int/NR/rdonlyres/D5 ... nglais.pdf

What am saying comrades, is that there are many avenues outside property open for individual actions against Turkey. .... and ask this of you all.... How many tens of thousands are having their rights, as defined in the above Articles (outside of property), denied by The Racist, Apartheid, Turkish Puppet State this day?

Cyprus Donkey with two bodies.......... who is the boss ? not decided yet !

with 2 head but only one craw ............ four legs ,without tail .......

how these donkeys will exist ?

[denizaksulu]

My Beloved Fellow Fighters in the National Liberation Struggle, Blessed Company of Travellers on the Long March to A Free Kyrenia, Morphou, Lapithos, Karpas and all other points north.

None of us thought this was going to be easy, an easy, peasy walk in the park did we?

In retrospect, we should all of us have expected the ECHR decision of last week. After all the Property Crapision Scam was the invention of the Court, a court overwhelmed with the 1500, and quickly rising, cases before it. Naturally, and say again with the benefit of hindsight, it would defend its Ugly Illegitimate Baby, even if it means this Mother jumping in to bed with the Turkish Occupying Power, justifying its ruling with the most morally indefensible, perverted and contorted legal reasonings. So indefensible in many areas, but particularly in its involving the Racist Tnucland "Appeal" "court" in the affairs of Free Men, that despite the lack of an appeal remedy to the ECHR, have every faith that the lawyers in the Free Parts of Nicosia with the uncompromising and patriotic dispossessed will find us a workaround.

Perhaps and again also with the benefit of hindsight we have had an over-reliance on the Property front before various courts in Europe. It's understandable, after all we have had some great victories but perhaps, whilst we await further advise from the expert lawyers, we should explore the other avenues available at the ECHR, ones that have nothing to do with property, ones where the Court won't be able to wash off its filthy hands so easily, with claims of an "effective" "local" "remedy" in its Tuncland Scam Commission.

This by the way (and this is the last word here on Property) is Article 53 of the Convention.......

Article 53 Safeguard for existing human rights
Nothing in this Convention shall be construed as limiting or derogating from any of the human rights and fundamental freedoms which may be ensured under the laws of any High Contracting Party or under any other agreement to which it is a Party.

Now, stick non-legal neck out and say .....CY is a High Contracting Party and it may be fruitful for the lawyers to look at the laws of the Republic and the respect for the property rights of the CY citizen in those laws in the light of Article 53. Stick neck out further ... don't these CY Property Laws have Primacy over any in a Racist Apartheid Puppet "state" ?
-----

In any event, here are some of the other Articles which gives us chances to move further outside Property....

Article 14 Prohibition of discrimination
The enjoyment of the rights and freedoms set forth in this Convention shall be secured without discrimination on any ground such as sex, race, colour, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin, association with a national minority, property, birth or other status.

This is Article 2 of The Accompanying Protocol....
Article 2 Freedom of movement
1 Everyone lawfully within the territory of a State shall, within that territory, have the right to liberty of movement and freedom to choose his residence.
2 Everyone shall be free to leave any country, including his own.
3 No restrictions shall be placed on the exercise of these rights other than such as are in accordance with law and are necessary in a democratic society in the interests of national security or public safety, for the maintenance of ordre public, for the prevention of crime, for the protection of health or morals, or for the protection of the rights and freedoms of others.

Article 3 of The Protocol....
Article 3 ñ Prohibition of expulsion of nationals
1 No one shall be expelled, by means either of an individual or of a collective measure, from the territory of the State of which he is a national.
2 No one shall be deprived of the right to enter the territory of the state of which he is a national.

This is Article 1 of the 12th Protocol.........
Article 1 General prohibition of discrimination
1 The enjoyment of any right set forth by law shall be secured without discrimination on any ground such as sex, race, colour, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin, association with a national minority, property, birth or other status.
2 No one shall be discriminated against by any public authority on any ground such as those mentioned in paragraph 1.

(That lot won't sit too comfortably in racist, discrimi"nation" Tnucland)

http://www.echr.coe.int/NR/rdonlyres/D5 ... nglais.pdf

What am saying comrades, is that there are many avenues outside property open for individual actions against Turkey. .... and ask this of you all.... How many tens of thousands are having their rights, as defined in the above Articles (outside of property), denied by The Racist, Apartheid, Turkish Puppet State this day?

Cyprus Donkey with two bodies.......... who is the boss ? not decided yet !

with 2 head but only one craw ............ four legs ,without tail .......

how these donkeys will exist ?

Bring me 'that' donkey and I will show you how Halil.

[Oracle]

... Why don't you give us some comments on why TCs cannot freely access their properties in the south?

Perhaps because they are freely collaborating with the enemy!

[denizaksulu]

... Why don't you give us some comments on why TCs cannot freely access their properties in the south?

Perhaps because they are freely collaborating with the enemy!

Good morning Oracle. The very few Greek Cypriots living under the norths control - would you say they are 'collaborating' with the 'enemy? (just because they live there?) They have no choice in the3 matter.

Your answer could have been' you cannot not have two 'goverments' or apply to the RoC and claim your land back. It is possible.

[Oracle]

... Why don't you give us some comments on why TCs cannot freely access their properties in the south?

Perhaps because they are freely collaborating with the enemy!

Good morning Oracle. The very few Greek Cypriots living under the norths control - would you say they are 'collaborating' with the 'enemy? (just because they live there?) They have no choice in the3 matter.

Your answer could have been' you cannot not have two 'goverments' or apply to the RoC and claim your land back. It is possible.

There is a vast difference between the two situations, as you could have worked out for yourself, Deniz, if you stopped to think instead of rushing to accost me.

Acigkoz is talking about those TCs who are from the free areas, but choose to live in the occupied areas, collaborating with Turks, and yet also want to freely access their property in the free-south.

The GCs in the occupied-north have nowhere else to go, and stayed put despite the Turkish threats.

[denizaksulu]

... Why don't you give us some comments on why TCs cannot freely access their properties in the south?

Perhaps because they are freely collaborating with the enemy!

Good morning Oracle. The very few Greek Cypriots living under the norths control - would you say they are 'collaborating' with the 'enemy? (just because they live there?) They have no choice in the3 matter.

Your answer could have been' you cannot not have two 'goverments' or apply to the RoC and claim your land back. It is possible.

There is a vast difference between the two situations, as you could have worked out for yourself, Deniz, if you stopped to think instead of rushing to accost me.

Acigkoz is talking about those TCs who are from the free areas, but choose to live in the occupied areas, collaborating with Turks, and yet also want to freely access their property in the free-south.

The GCs in the occupied-north have nowhere else to go, and stayed put despite the Turkish threats.

You know that one way or the other the GCs from the south had no choice either. Remember you all ways point out that the TMT terrorised the TC to go into enclaves? Have you now changed your story?

There are TCs who have resided in the TC diasp[ora since before the tragic events in Cyprus. Some do support the illegalities in the north and some do not. Those supporters would be entitled to their own properties straight away and still be, as you put it - 'collaborators'.

I suggest you avoid tarnishing everyone with the same brush.


....and for the record, I do not accost people. I hardly post anymore till i SEE UNNECESSARY POSTS.

[erolz3]

... Why don't you give us some comments on why TCs cannot freely access their properties in the south?

Perhaps because they are freely collaborating with the enemy!

Yeah because those who whilst a minister in government sent out a band of armed ethnic paramilitary thugs to take my uncle from his place of work in braod daylight and in sight of many witnesses, murder him and dump him in a well for no other reason than he was an innocent TC trying to support his family and did all of this with no fear of them ever being held to account for such acts are not my enemy, but those who ensured that such things could never again happen to my family are my enemy.

[Oracle]

... Why don't you give us some comments on why TCs cannot freely access their properties in the south?

Perhaps because they are freely collaborating with the enemy!

Good morning Oracle. The very few Greek Cypriots living under the norths control - would you say they are 'collaborating' with the 'enemy? (just because they live there?) They have no choice in the3 matter.

Your answer could have been' you cannot not have two 'goverments' or apply to the RoC and claim your land back. It is possible.

There is a vast difference between the two situations, as you could have worked out for yourself, Deniz, if you stopped to think instead of rushing to accost me.

Acigkoz is talking about those TCs who are from the free areas, but choose to live in the occupied areas, collaborating with Turks, and yet also want to freely access their property in the free-south.

The GCs in the occupied-north have nowhere else to go, and stayed put despite the Turkish threats.

You know that one way or the other the GCs from the south had no choice either. Remember you all ways point out that the TMT terrorised the TC to go into enclaves? Have you now changed your story?

No, but it seems you have!

How does reminding me how ruthless TMT are, help with persuading the TCs to move out of the free (safe) areas into the Turkish occupied area (full of TMTs), unless the TCs were willing collaborators with the invasion and occupation?