Cyprus-Forum.com

[Oracle]

... Why don't you give us some comments on why TCs cannot freely access their properties in the south?

Perhaps because they are freely collaborating with the enemy!

Yeah because those who whilst a minister in government sent out a band of armed ethnic paramilitary thugs to take my uncle from his place of work in braod daylight and in sight of many witnesses, murder him and dump him in a well for no other reason than he was an innocent TC trying to support his family and did all of this with no fear of them ever being held to account for such acts are not my enemy, but those who ensured that such things could never again happen to my family are my enemy.

So, why would Turkey wait a dozen years before coming to avenge your uncle's death?

Seems you like dining with 60 Million Wolves instead of with 1 million lambs.

For further insights into this occupation and your willing co-operation with Turkey, please refer to your friend deniz's reasons for TCs' habits and behaviour courtesy of the stick supplied by the TMT!

[denizaksulu]

... Why don't you give us some comments on why TCs cannot freely access their properties in the south?

Perhaps because they are freely collaborating with the enemy!

Good morning Oracle. The very few Greek Cypriots living under the norths control - would you say they are 'collaborating' with the 'enemy? (just because they live there?) They have no choice in the3 matter.

Your answer could have been' you cannot not have two 'goverments' or apply to the RoC and claim your land back. It is possible.

There is a vast difference between the two situations, as you could have worked out for yourself, Deniz, if you stopped to think instead of rushing to accost me.

Acigkoz is talking about those TCs who are from the free areas, but choose to live in the occupied areas, collaborating with Turks, and yet also want to freely access their property in the free-south.

The GCs in the occupied-north have nowhere else to go, and stayed put despite the Turkish threats.

You know that one way or the other the GCs from the south had no choice either. Remember you all ways point out that the TMT terrorised the TC to go into enclaves? Have you now changed your story?

No, but it seems you have!

How does reminding me how ruthless TMT are, help with persuading the TCs to move out of the free (safe) areas into the Turkish occupied area (full of TMTs), unless the TCs were willing collaborators with the invasion and occupation?

As erolz pointed out above, how safe was it in 1963? I feel safe now but my old folk did not. Otherwise they would not have left their homes and farmlands in 1963; nor did many other TCs. And that is inspite of our friendly relationship with locals, gbut we were, or my grandparents were warned of harm from the 'outsiders'.

[erolz3]

So, why would Turkey wait a dozen years before coming to avenge your uncle's death?

Seems you like dining with 60 Million Wolves instead of with 1 million lambs.

For further insights into this occupation and your willing co-operation with Turkey, please refer to your friend deniz's reasons for TCs' habits and behaviour courtesy of the stick supplied by the TMT!

For once in your life Oracle put yourself in someone elses shoes.

Who would you consider your enemy ? A government that illegaly murderd an innocent member of your family because of no other reason than his ethnicity being different to theirs or those that stopped such things being done to your family ever again.

It is not rocket science Oracle. That you refuse to even attempt to understand why for TC Turkey was not and is not the enemy speaks volume about you Oracle.

[denizaksulu]

... Why don't you give us some comments on why TCs cannot freely access their properties in the south?

Perhaps because they are freely collaborating with the enemy!

Yeah because those who whilst a minister in government sent out a band of armed ethnic paramilitary thugs to take my uncle from his place of work in braod daylight and in sight of many witnesses, murder him and dump him in a well for no other reason than he was an innocent TC trying to support his family and did all of this with no fear of them ever being held to account for such acts are not my enemy, but those who ensured that such things could never again happen to my family are my enemy.

So, why would Turkey wait a dozen years before coming to avenge your uncle's death?

Seems you like dining with 60 Million Wolves instead of with 1 million lambs.For further insights into this occupation and your willing co-operation with Turkey, please refer to your friend deniz's reasons for TCs' habits and behaviour courtesy of the stick supplied by the TMT!

You have mighty lambs Oracle, with sharp teeth which were responsible for Ay. Vasilios, Murataga and Sandallaris, Tokhni and Alaminyo massacres. What were they, but wolves cloaked in sheep fleece?

[Oracle]

... Why don't you give us some comments on why TCs cannot freely access their properties in the south?

Perhaps because they are freely collaborating with the enemy!

Good morning Oracle. The very few Greek Cypriots living under the norths control - would you say they are 'collaborating' with the 'enemy? (just because they live there?) They have no choice in the3 matter.

Your answer could have been' you cannot not have two 'goverments' or apply to the RoC and claim your land back. It is possible.

There is a vast difference between the two situations, as you could have worked out for yourself, Deniz, if you stopped to think instead of rushing to accost me.

Acigkoz is talking about those TCs who are from the free areas, but choose to live in the occupied areas, collaborating with Turks, and yet also want to freely access their property in the free-south.

The GCs in the occupied-north have nowhere else to go, and stayed put despite the Turkish threats.

You know that one way or the other the GCs from the south had no choice either. Remember you all ways point out that the TMT terrorised the TC to go into enclaves? Have you now changed your story?

No, but it seems you have!

How does reminding me how ruthless TMT are, help with persuading the TCs to move out of the free (safe) areas into the Turkish occupied area (full of TMTs), unless the TCs were willing collaborators with the invasion and occupation?

As erolz pointed out above, how safe was it in 1963? I feel safe now but my old folk did not. Otherwise they would not have left their homes and farmlands in 1963; nor did many other TCs. And that is inspite of our friendly relationship with locals, gbut we were, or my grandparents were warned of harm from the 'outsiders'.

But, Erolz spoke of one death, in 1963, but you implicated the TMT in much more. Many more deaths for TCs at the hands of the TMT. Yet you run into Turkey's arms.

Now who are you, long-term, safest with, truly?

[denizaksulu]

... Why don't you give us some comments on why TCs cannot freely access their properties in the south?

Perhaps because they are freely collaborating with the enemy!

Good morning Oracle. The very few Greek Cypriots living under the norths control - would you say they are 'collaborating' with the 'enemy? (just because they live there?) They have no choice in the3 matter.

Your answer could have been' you cannot not have two 'goverments' or apply to the RoC and claim your land back. It is possible.

There is a vast difference between the two situations, as you could have worked out for yourself, Deniz, if you stopped to think instead of rushing to accost me.

Acigkoz is talking about those TCs who are from the free areas, but choose to live in the occupied areas, collaborating with Turks, and yet also want to freely access their property in the free-south.

The GCs in the occupied-north have nowhere else to go, and stayed put despite the Turkish threats.

You know that one way or the other the GCs from the south had no choice either. Remember you all ways point out that the TMT terrorised the TC to go into enclaves? Have you now changed your story?

No, but it seems you have!

How does reminding me how ruthless TMT are, help with persuading the TCs to move out of the free (safe) areas into the Turkish occupied area (full of TMTs), unless the TCs were willing collaborators with the invasion and occupation?

As erolz pointed out above, how safe was it in 1963? I feel safe now but my old folk did not. Otherwise they would not have left their homes and farmlands in 1963; nor did many other TCs. And that is inspite of our friendly relationship with locals, gbut we were, or my grandparents were warned of harm from the 'outsiders'.

But, Erolz spoke of one death, in 1963, but you implicated the TMT in much more. Many more deaths for TCs at the hands of the TMT. Yet you run into Turkey's arms.

Now who are you, long-term, safest with, truly?

You know my stance now Oracle. This conversation is about the past.

I feel safe in a re-united Cyprus. As long as any mad men are locked up on both sides and their is no discrimination against me or any other person.

[Oracle]

... Why don't you give us some comments on why TCs cannot freely access their properties in the south?

Perhaps because they are freely collaborating with the enemy!

Good morning Oracle. The very few Greek Cypriots living under the norths control - would you say they are 'collaborating' with the 'enemy? (just because they live there?) They have no choice in the3 matter.

Your answer could have been' you cannot not have two 'goverments' or apply to the RoC and claim your land back. It is possible.

There is a vast difference between the two situations, as you could have worked out for yourself, Deniz, if you stopped to think instead of rushing to accost me.

Acigkoz is talking about those TCs who are from the free areas, but choose to live in the occupied areas, collaborating with Turks, and yet also want to freely access their property in the free-south.

The GCs in the occupied-north have nowhere else to go, and stayed put despite the Turkish threats.

You know that one way or the other the GCs from the south had no choice either. Remember you all ways point out that the TMT terrorised the TC to go into enclaves? Have you now changed your story?

No, but it seems you have!

How does reminding me how ruthless TMT are, help with persuading the TCs to move out of the free (safe) areas into the Turkish occupied area (full of TMTs), unless the TCs were willing collaborators with the invasion and occupation?

As erolz pointed out above, how safe was it in 1963? I feel safe now but my old folk did not. Otherwise they would not have left their homes and farmlands in 1963; nor did many other TCs. And that is inspite of our friendly relationship with locals, gbut we were, or my grandparents were warned of harm from the 'outsiders'.

But, Erolz spoke of one death, in 1963, but you implicated the TMT in much more. Many more deaths for TCs at the hands of the TMT. Yet you run into Turkey's arms.

Now who are you, long-term, safest with, truly?

You know my stance now Oracle. This conversation is about the past.

I feel safe in a re-united Cyprus. As long as any mad men are locked up on both sides and their is no discrimination against me or any other person.

I know you do. And we'll lock Bananiot, BirKibrisli and Erolz in a de-luxe enclave of their very own where they can speak of the injustice of letting I million Cypriots have their freedom and independence when they should be made to suffer at the hands of Turkey for ever more because a few people died in conflicts (which were started by ..... I'll stop there!)

[erolz3]

.....because a few people died in conflicts (which were started by ..... I'll stop there!)

Yeah it was just a 'few' people who died in a 'conflict'.

The families of those whos innocent loved ones were murderd by agents of the very government that was supposed to protect them because they were of the wrong ethnicty should not let something like a 'few people dying' affect them or their views towards those who were doing the murdering or today dimsiss it as a 'few people dying in a conflict'. Of course not. We should consider those that were murdering our family members our friends and those that stopped this from ever happening again our enemies.

[YFred]

... Why don't you give us some comments on why TCs cannot freely access their properties in the south?

Perhaps because they are freely collaborating with the enemy!

Yeah because those who whilst a minister in government sent out a band of armed ethnic paramilitary thugs to take my uncle from his place of work in braod daylight and in sight of many witnesses, murder him and dump him in a well for no other reason than he was an innocent TC trying to support his family and did all of this with no fear of them ever being held to account for such acts are not my enemy, but those who ensured that such things could never again happen to my family are my enemy.

So, why would Turkey wait a dozen years before coming to avenge your uncle's death?

Seems you like dining with 60 Million Wolves instead of with 1 million lambs.For further insights into this occupation and your willing co-operation with Turkey, please refer to your friend deniz's reasons for TCs' habits and behaviour courtesy of the stick supplied by the TMT!

You have mighty lambs Oracle, with sharp teeth which were responsible for Ay. Vasilios, Murataga and Sandallaris, Tokhni and Alaminyo massacres. What were they, but wolves cloaked in sheep fleece?

No Deniz, they are called bash patriot sheepriots.

[denizaksulu]

... Why don't you give us some comments on why TCs cannot freely access their properties in the south?

Perhaps because they are freely collaborating with the enemy!

Good morning Oracle. The very few Greek Cypriots living under the norths control - would you say they are 'collaborating' with the 'enemy? (just because they live there?) They have no choice in the3 matter.

Your answer could have been' you cannot not have two 'goverments' or apply to the RoC and claim your land back. It is possible.

There is a vast difference between the two situations, as you could have worked out for yourself, Deniz, if you stopped to think instead of rushing to accost me.

Acigkoz is talking about those TCs who are from the free areas, but choose to live in the occupied areas, collaborating with Turks, and yet also want to freely access their property in the free-south.

The GCs in the occupied-north have nowhere else to go, and stayed put despite the Turkish threats.

You know that one way or the other the GCs from the south had no choice either. Remember you all ways point out that the TMT terrorised the TC to go into enclaves? Have you now changed your story?

No, but it seems you have!

How does reminding me how ruthless TMT are, help with persuading the TCs to move out of the free (safe) areas into the Turkish occupied area (full of TMTs), unless the TCs were willing collaborators with the invasion and occupation?

As erolz pointed out above, how safe was it in 1963? I feel safe now but my old folk did not. Otherwise they would not have left their homes and farmlands in 1963; nor did many other TCs. And that is inspite of our friendly relationship with locals, gbut we were, or my grandparents were warned of harm from the 'outsiders'.

But, Erolz spoke of one death, in 1963, but you implicated the TMT in much more. Many more deaths for TCs at the hands of the TMT. Yet you run into Turkey's arms.

Now who are you, long-term, safest with, truly?

You know my stance now Oracle. This conversation is about the past.

I feel safe in a re-united Cyprus. As long as any mad men are locked up on both sides and their is no discrimination against me or any other person.

I know you do. And we'll lock Bananiot, BirKibrisli and Erolz in a de-luxe enclave of their very own where they can speak of the injustice of letting I million Cypriots have their freedom and independence when they should be made to suffer at the hands of Turkey for ever more because a few people died in conflicts (which were started by ..... I'll stop there!)

No need to lock any of them up Oracle. We live in a democracy and they are free to express their feelings. I was talking of locking up murderers, whatever color. For years all Birs overtures were spurned, how can you now blame him when all his 'empathic' words fell on deaf ears.

If you want to lock them up, I will have to look for another definition of 'democracy'.