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[georgios100]

Given the latest news, I dare to look at this scenario;

The Turkish PM appears to be turning to a "new" page. Perhaps the "Deep state" has weaken a bit so Erdogan can move more freely and get some things done. It remains to be seen if the rest of the politicians in Turkey will accuse him of "selling out" the Northern Cyprus occupied lands. But Erdogan is smarter than that. He does not want to be a target, when in 2012 Cyprus will have the EU presidency, so he is making his move earlier that that. He made sure the talks will continue by cautioning Eroglu to put aside his hard-line positions and follow through what Talat started.

He wants a solution more than anybody in Turkey, a bold stance indeed. BBF is the final format, he is pushing hard for it. Besides, he wants to keep Obama happy eying profits from having Turkey help the US to establish the Iranian embargo.

Let's face it. Turkey spends a lot of money to keep 40,000 troops in Cyprus and keep buying arms to beef up against the Greece "threat". He needs the money for "other" problems Turkey is facing now.

Will he do as promised? I have no idea, time will tell.

Georgios100

[Nikitas]

The deep state will be weakened when the army is kept out of commercial enterprises, has no say in any national political process and when the prime minister will be able to fire the chief of staff with a phone call, as happens in other western countries. Till then it is business as usual.

[YFred]

The deep state will be weakened when the army is kept out of commercial enterprises, has no say in any national political process and when the prime minister will be able to fire the chief of staff with a phone call, as happens in other western countries. Till then it is business as usual.

I expect better understanding from you Nik, really. It will weaken when the America's hold on Turkey weakens, and it ain't going to be any time soon, not while they serve the interests of their masters.
Why are you guys pretending that it is different?
Has history not taught you any lessons at all?

[georgios100]

The deep state will be weakened when the army is kept out of commercial enterprises, has no say in any national political process and when the prime minister will be able to fire the chief of staff with a phone call, as happens in other western countries. Till then it is business as usual.

I expect better understanding from you Nik, really. It will weaken when the America's hold on Turkey weakens, and it ain't going to be any time soon, not while they serve the interests of their masters.
Why are you guys pretending that it is different?
Has history not taught you any lessons at all?

YFred wrote
It will weaken when the America's hold on Turkey weakens, and it ain't going to be any time soon,

What exactly do you mean by that YFred, can you elaborate?

Georgios100

[YFred]

The deep state will be weakened when the army is kept out of commercial enterprises, has no say in any national political process and when the prime minister will be able to fire the chief of staff with a phone call, as happens in other western countries. Till then it is business as usual.

I expect better understanding from you Nik, really. It will weaken when the America's hold on Turkey weakens, and it ain't going to be any time soon, not while they serve the interests of their masters.
Why are you guys pretending that it is different?
Has history not taught you any lessons at all?

YFred wrote
It will weaken when the America's hold on Turkey weakens, and it ain't going to be any time soon,

What exactly do you mean by that YFred, can you elaborate?

Georgios100

Isn't it clear enough? Which bit do you not understand, that the USA is in total control of what Turkey does.
It wasn't that long ago when the Turkish Parliament voted against the Americans transferring supplies and soldiers to Northern Iraq and sure enough it was ignored. How much more evidence do you need? Does the cold weather reduce the brain capacity to absorb and maintain information over there in Lapland.
Goodness gracious me.
Would you like more examples?

[georgios100]

The deep state will be weakened when the army is kept out of commercial enterprises, has no say in any national political process and when the prime minister will be able to fire the chief of staff with a phone call, as happens in other western countries. Till then it is business as usual.

I expect better understanding from you Nik, really. It will weaken when the America's hold on Turkey weakens, and it ain't going to be any time soon, not while they serve the interests of their masters.
Why are you guys pretending that it is different?
Has history not taught you any lessons at all?

YFred wrote
It will weaken when the America's hold on Turkey weakens, and it ain't going to be any time soon,

What exactly do you mean by that YFred, can you elaborate?

Georgios100

Isn't it clear enough? Which bit do you not understand, that the USA is in total control of what Turkey does.
It wasn't that long ago when the Turkish Parliament voted against the Americans transferring supplies and soldiers to Northern Iraq and sure enough it was ignored. How much more evidence do you need? Does the cold weather reduce the brain capacity to absorb and maintain information over there in Lapland.
Goodness gracious me.
Would you like more examples?

Surely the US has some influence in Turkey but not total control as you mentioned above. If you are right about this then:

1. The US wants the occupying troops to remain in Cyprus.
2. The US orders all the Greek/Cypriot airspace violations.
3. The US ordered the latest coup against Erdogan.

The list goes on and on.

Georgios100

[YFred]

The deep state will be weakened when the army is kept out of commercial enterprises, has no say in any national political process and when the prime minister will be able to fire the chief of staff with a phone call, as happens in other western countries. Till then it is business as usual.

I expect better understanding from you Nik, really. It will weaken when the America's hold on Turkey weakens, and it ain't going to be any time soon, not while they serve the interests of their masters.
Why are you guys pretending that it is different?
Has history not taught you any lessons at all?

YFred wrote
It will weaken when the America's hold on Turkey weakens, and it ain't going to be any time soon,

What exactly do you mean by that YFred, can you elaborate?

Georgios100

Isn't it clear enough? Which bit do you not understand, that the USA is in total control of what Turkey does.
It wasn't that long ago when the Turkish Parliament voted against the Americans transferring supplies and soldiers to Northern Iraq and sure enough it was ignored. How much more evidence do you need? Does the cold weather reduce the brain capacity to absorb and maintain information over there in Lapland.
Goodness gracious me.
Would you like more examples?

Surely the US has some influence in Turkey but not total control as you mentioned above. If you are right about this then:

1. The US wants the occupying troops to remain in Cyprus.
2. The US orders all the Greek/Cypriot airspace violations.
3. The US ordered the latest coup against Erdogan.

The list goes on and on.

Georgios100

Is USA one entity with a single logical policy on Turkey? How have you been brought up? How can you be so politically ignorant of the realities on the ground?
You are incredibly naive about how US works in the real world.
Perhaps you should start with the extraordinary renditions and torture of innocent civilians in hidden third party countries. That may wake you up a little. Where's Kiks baby when you need him? Useless son of a gun.

[georgios100]

The deep state will be weakened when the army is kept out of commercial enterprises, has no say in any national political process and when the prime minister will be able to fire the chief of staff with a phone call, as happens in other western countries. Till then it is business as usual.

I expect better understanding from you Nik, really. It will weaken when the America's hold on Turkey weakens, and it ain't going to be any time soon, not while they serve the interests of their masters.
Why are you guys pretending that it is different?
Has history not taught you any lessons at all?

YFred wrote
It will weaken when the America's hold on Turkey weakens, and it ain't going to be any time soon,

What exactly do you mean by that YFred, can you elaborate?

Georgios100

Isn't it clear enough? Which bit do you not understand, that the USA is in total control of what Turkey does.
It wasn't that long ago when the Turkish Parliament voted against the Americans transferring supplies and soldiers to Northern Iraq and sure enough it was ignored. How much more evidence do you need? Does the cold weather reduce the brain capacity to absorb and maintain information over there in Lapland.
Goodness gracious me.
Would you like more examples?

Surely the US has some influence in Turkey but not total control as you mentioned above. If you are right about this then:

1. The US wants the occupying troops to remain in Cyprus.
2. The US orders all the Greek/Cypriot airspace violations.
3. The US ordered the latest coup against Erdogan.

The list goes on and on.

Georgios100

Is USA one entity with a single logical policy on Turkey? How have you been brought up? How can you be so politically ignorant of the realities on the ground?
You are incredibly naive about how US works in the real world.
Perhaps you should start with the extraordinary renditions and torture of innocent civilians in hidden third party countries. That may wake you up a little. Where's Kiks baby when you need him? Useless son of a gun.

YFred,

Firstly, I am not sure I like your "colorful remarks" about myself... not really a must when/during a conversation between 2 posters. You, being a Mod, should refrain from exercising personal attacks and give the example for the rest of us to follow. Personally, I prefer to keep talking in a relaxed state and express my self accordingly without having to resort to unnecessary "rhetoric" to get my point across.

Please answer the questions with specifics not wild speculation. Here are the questions again:



1. The US wants the occupying troops to remain in Cyprus.
2. The US orders all the Greek/Cypriot airspace violations.
3. The US ordered the latest coup against Erdogan.

If, as you say, the US has total control of Turkey's doing, what would be the US gains from the 3 items listed above.

Georgios100

[Tim Drayton]

[...]
3. The US ordered the latest coup against Erdogan.
[...]

I beg to differ there. The US is supporting Erdoğan and not the military nowadays. Otherwise the coup would have long since happened.

[YFred]

The deep state will be weakened when the army is kept out of commercial enterprises, has no say in any national political process and when the prime minister will be able to fire the chief of staff with a phone call, as happens in other western countries. Till then it is business as usual.

I expect better understanding from you Nik, really. It will weaken when the America's hold on Turkey weakens, and it ain't going to be any time soon, not while they serve the interests of their masters.
Why are you guys pretending that it is different?
Has history not taught you any lessons at all?

YFred wrote
It will weaken when the America's hold on Turkey weakens, and it ain't going to be any time soon,

What exactly do you mean by that YFred, can you elaborate?

Georgios100

Isn't it clear enough? Which bit do you not understand, that the USA is in total control of what Turkey does.
It wasn't that long ago when the Turkish Parliament voted against the Americans transferring supplies and soldiers to Northern Iraq and sure enough it was ignored. How much more evidence do you need? Does the cold weather reduce the brain capacity to absorb and maintain information over there in Lapland.
Goodness gracious me.
Would you like more examples?

Surely the US has some influence in Turkey but not total control as you mentioned above. If you are right about this then:

1. The US wants the occupying troops to remain in Cyprus.
2. The US orders all the Greek/Cypriot airspace violations.
3. The US ordered the latest coup against Erdogan.

The list goes on and on.

Georgios100

Is USA one entity with a single logical policy on Turkey? How have you been brought up? How can you be so politically ignorant of the realities on the ground?
You are incredibly naive about how US works in the real world.
Perhaps you should start with the extraordinary renditions and torture of innocent civilians in hidden third party countries. That may wake you up a little. Where's Kiks baby when you need him? Useless son of a gun.

YFred,

Firstly, I am not sure I like your "colorful remarks" about myself... not really a must when/during a conversation between 2 posters. You, being a Mod, should refrain from exercising personal attacks and give the example for the rest of us to follow. Personally, I prefer to keep talking in a relaxed state and express my self accordingly without having to resort to unnecessary "rhetoric" to get my point across.

Please answer the questions with specifics not wild speculation. Here are the questions again:



1. The US wants the occupying troops to remain in Cyprus.
2. The US orders all the Greek/Cypriot airspace violations.
3. The US ordered the latest coup against Erdogan.

If, as you say, the US has total control of Turkey's doing, what would be the US gains from the 3 items listed above.

Georgios100

Only one thing. Cyprus has joined Nato through the backdoor from being a non-alligned country. I thought everybody new that one as it is so obvious. Sorry about my agressive nature, its those bstards like DT GR and Kicks baby. I shall be much more relaxed in my future post in keeping with my VIP status.
But your point of views sa lot to be desired if I may say so