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[georgios100]

The deep state will be weakened when the army is kept out of commercial enterprises, has no say in any national political process and when the prime minister will be able to fire the chief of staff with a phone call, as happens in other western countries. Till then it is business as usual.

I expect better understanding from you Nik, really. It will weaken when the America's hold on Turkey weakens, and it ain't going to be any time soon, not while they serve the interests of their masters.
Why are you guys pretending that it is different?
Has history not taught you any lessons at all?

YFred wrote
It will weaken when the America's hold on Turkey weakens, and it ain't going to be any time soon,

What exactly do you mean by that YFred, can you elaborate?

Georgios100

Isn't it clear enough? Which bit do you not understand, that the USA is in total control of what Turkey does.
It wasn't that long ago when the Turkish Parliament voted against the Americans transferring supplies and soldiers to Northern Iraq and sure enough it was ignored. How much more evidence do you need? Does the cold weather reduce the brain capacity to absorb and maintain information over there in Lapland.
Goodness gracious me.
Would you like more examples?

Surely the US has some influence in Turkey but not total control as you mentioned above. If you are right about this then:

1. The US wants the occupying troops to remain in Cyprus.
2. The US orders all the Greek/Cypriot airspace violations.
3. The US ordered the latest coup against Erdogan.

The list goes on and on.

Georgios100

Is USA one entity with a single logical policy on Turkey? How have you been brought up? How can you be so politically ignorant of the realities on the ground?
You are incredibly naive about how US works in the real world.
Perhaps you should start with the extraordinary renditions and torture of innocent civilians in hidden third party countries. That may wake you up a little. Where's Kiks baby when you need him? Useless son of a gun.

YFred,

Firstly, I am not sure I like your "colorful remarks" about myself... not really a must when/during a conversation between 2 posters. You, being a Mod, should refrain from exercising personal attacks and give the example for the rest of us to follow. Personally, I prefer to keep talking in a relaxed state and express my self accordingly without having to resort to unnecessary "rhetoric" to get my point across.

Please answer the questions with specifics not wild speculation. Here are the questions again:



1. The US wants the occupying troops to remain in Cyprus.
2. The US orders all the Greek/Cypriot airspace violations.
3. The US ordered the latest coup against Erdogan.

If, as you say, the US has total control of Turkey's doing, what would be the US gains from the 3 items listed above.

Georgios100

Only one thing. Cyprus has joined Nato through the backdoor from being a non-alligned country. I thought everybody new that one as it is so obvious. Sorry about my agressive nature, its those bstards like DT GR and Kicks baby. I shall be much more relaxed in my future post in keeping with my VIP status.
But your point of views sa lot to be desired if I may say so

Hey YFred,

Thanks for your response, well appreciated. I like you "tone" when addressing posters like myself. Posters like GR, DT and others may deserve your "other" tone, suits my fine as I speak only for myself... not for others.

Now, let's get down to business.

I like to examine the facts as I see them in order to have a good perspective of the reality, not fiction. The fact that the "deep state" is weaken is encouraging for our affairs. It's about time for a politician like Erdogan to call the shots instead of the military in Turkey. Erdogan's hands were tied while the generals practiced "state in state" undemocratic action. Turkey is the only Islamic democracy in the world. Without the generals, even better!

I believe Erdogan is on the right track to get things done. I expect a lot from him. He appears to be a man of his word. The US will back him if he is willing to make progress in the Cyprob issue. If Erdogan really wants a solution, we may have one. If he does not, we will not. Personally, I am convinced neither Talat or Eroglu have the authority to take matters in their own hands about Cyprus without Turkey's approval.

Here is a couple of questions for you;

1. Do you think Erdogan is serious about solving the Cyprob?

2. If Erdogan endorses some form of a solution, is this solution subject to the approval by the Turkish parliament?

I am asking these questions simply because I am not sure how things work on your side. I expect you to know better than me and provide answers that I can accept.

Georgios100

[YFred]

The deep state will be weakened when the army is kept out of commercial enterprises, has no say in any national political process and when the prime minister will be able to fire the chief of staff with a phone call, as happens in other western countries. Till then it is business as usual.

I expect better understanding from you Nik, really. It will weaken when the America's hold on Turkey weakens, and it ain't going to be any time soon, not while they serve the interests of their masters.
Why are you guys pretending that it is different?
Has history not taught you any lessons at all?

YFred wrote
It will weaken when the America's hold on Turkey weakens, and it ain't going to be any time soon,

What exactly do you mean by that YFred, can you elaborate?

Georgios100

Isn't it clear enough? Which bit do you not understand, that the USA is in total control of what Turkey does.
It wasn't that long ago when the Turkish Parliament voted against the Americans transferring supplies and soldiers to Northern Iraq and sure enough it was ignored. How much more evidence do you need? Does the cold weather reduce the brain capacity to absorb and maintain information over there in Lapland.
Goodness gracious me.
Would you like more examples?

Surely the US has some influence in Turkey but not total control as you mentioned above. If you are right about this then:

1. The US wants the occupying troops to remain in Cyprus.
2. The US orders all the Greek/Cypriot airspace violations.
3. The US ordered the latest coup against Erdogan.

The list goes on and on.

Georgios100

Is USA one entity with a single logical policy on Turkey? How have you been brought up? How can you be so politically ignorant of the realities on the ground?
You are incredibly naive about how US works in the real world.
Perhaps you should start with the extraordinary renditions and torture of innocent civilians in hidden third party countries. That may wake you up a little. Where's Kiks baby when you need him? Useless son of a gun.

YFred,

Firstly, I am not sure I like your "colorful remarks" about myself... not really a must when/during a conversation between 2 posters. You, being a Mod, should refrain from exercising personal attacks and give the example for the rest of us to follow. Personally, I prefer to keep talking in a relaxed state and express my self accordingly without having to resort to unnecessary "rhetoric" to get my point across.

Please answer the questions with specifics not wild speculation. Here are the questions again:



1. The US wants the occupying troops to remain in Cyprus.
2. The US orders all the Greek/Cypriot airspace violations.
3. The US ordered the latest coup against Erdogan.

If, as you say, the US has total control of Turkey's doing, what would be the US gains from the 3 items listed above.

Georgios100

Only one thing. Cyprus has joined Nato through the backdoor from being a non-alligned country. I thought everybody new that one as it is so obvious. Sorry about my agressive nature, its those bstards like DT GR and Kicks baby. I shall be much more relaxed in my future post in keeping with my VIP status.
But your point of views sa lot to be desired if I may say so

Hey YFred,

Thanks for your response, well appreciated. I like you "tone" when addressing posters like myself. Posters like GR, DT and others may deserve your "other" tone, suits my fine as I speak only for myself... not for others.

Now, let's get down to business.

I like to examine the facts as I see them in order to have a good perspective of the reality, not fiction. The fact that the "deep state" is weaken is encouraging for our affairs. It's about time for a politician like Erdogan to call the shots instead of the military in Turkey. Erdogan's hands were tied while the generals practiced "state in state" undemocratic action. Turkey is the only Islamic democracy in the world. Without the generals, even better!

I believe Erdogan is on the right track to get things done. I expect a lot from him. He appears to be a man of his word. The US will back him if he is willing to make progress in the Cyprob issue. If Erdogan really wants a solution, we may have one. If he does not, we will not. Personally, I am convinced neither Talat or Eroglu have the authority to take matters in their own hands about Cyprus without Turkey's approval.

Here is a couple of questions for you;

1. Do you think Erdogan is serious about solving the Cyprob?

2. If Erdogan endorses some form of a solution, is this solution subject to the approval by the Turkish parliament?

I am asking these questions simply because I am not sure how things work on your side. I expect you to know better than me and provide answers that I can accept.

Georgios100

Erdogan is definately interested in a solution that is acceptable to the TCs. TCs will not accept a deal that is not acceptable to Turkey.
As to the Turkish Parliment approval is not required. They will vote the way they are instructed. The real power is with Guvenlik Konseyi made up of half ministers and half Military. If they approve it, Parliment will not refuse.