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Postby DT. » Wed Mar 10, 2010 11:52 am

YFred wrote:
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Oracle wrote:Michael Stephens is free to have his opinion. But it's not based on facts, just impressions formed from the people who pay him and with whom he mostly associates. I don't think anyone of any worth will take him seriously as he wasn't even able to garner government approval for the "Memorial" he used to further his propaganda purposes.

As such, he really is no more worthy of discussion than any other Turkish peasant paid by the Turks to say "I Love Turks" :roll:

I see you have not tackled a single point that he has made. You are such a good bullshitting master debater dearest. Only second to our real master debaters DT and GR. DIY merchants.


I said they are his opinion, to which he is 'entitled'.

I'll discuss facts, but I'm not interested in his (paid) opinion, and I further qualified that with an example!

Now piss off!

At least do the decent thing and knock one of his points off, my dearest master debater.


Why don't you have a crack at it. Start with this:

They are quite distinct from each other; they have a different religion, a different language, and a different culture. They each lived in their own villages or in separate parts of the towns and larger villages.
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Postby YFred » Wed Mar 10, 2010 11:59 am

DT. wrote:
YFred wrote:
Oracle wrote:
YFred wrote:
Oracle wrote:Michael Stephens is free to have his opinion. But it's not based on facts, just impressions formed from the people who pay him and with whom he mostly associates. I don't think anyone of any worth will take him seriously as he wasn't even able to garner government approval for the "Memorial" he used to further his propaganda purposes.

As such, he really is no more worthy of discussion than any other Turkish peasant paid by the Turks to say "I Love Turks" :roll:

I see you have not tackled a single point that he has made. You are such a good bullshitting master debater dearest. Only second to our real master debaters DT and GR. DIY merchants.


I said they are his opinion, to which he is 'entitled'.

I'll discuss facts, but I'm not interested in his (paid) opinion, and I further qualified that with an example!

Now piss off!

At least do the decent thing and knock one of his points off, my dearest master debater.


Why don't you have a crack at it. Start with this:

They are quite distinct from each other; they have a different religion, a different language, and a different culture. They each lived in their own villages or in separate parts of the towns and larger villages.

At last Master Debater has arrived. Now what is wrong with that statement except to qualify that it applied to after 1955 with the start of eoka.
The mixed communities polarised after 55 before being torn appart by the onslaught of 63.
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Postby Oracle » Wed Mar 10, 2010 12:11 pm

YFred wrote:
Oracle wrote:
YFred wrote:
Oracle wrote:Michael Stephens is free to have his opinion. But it's not based on facts, just impressions formed from the people who pay him and with whom he mostly associates. I don't think anyone of any worth will take him seriously as he wasn't even able to garner government approval for the "Memorial" he used to further his propaganda purposes.

As such, he really is no more worthy of discussion than any other Turkish peasant paid by the Turks to say "I Love Turks" :roll:

I see you have not tackled a single point that he has made. You are such a good bullshitting master debater dearest. Only second to our real master debaters DT and GR. DIY merchants.


I said they are his opinion, to which he is 'entitled'.

I'll discuss facts, but I'm not interested in his (paid) opinion, and I further qualified that with an example!

Now piss off!

At least do the decent thing and knock one of his points off, my dearest master debater.


Judging by the number of times this article ha been posted and re-posted for our perusal the last few days it is clear you are hungry for any signs of renewed propaganda to "bolster" your sagging psyche!

I'll feed your clamoring demands with the very first paragraph, to wit (or should that be t'wit?):

After the coming general election, what should the next government do about Cyprus if the present reunification talks fail, and the island remains divided as it has been for the past 46 years? The answer, in short, is that it should deal with both of its two peoples fairly and reasonably. But is the UK not doing that already? The answer is NO.

:roll:

Is the UK not doing that already?


Since you hang on to his every word ....

Tell me what the UK is doing for Cyprus and why we should care for such a unilateralist, imperialist, personal-agenda loaded foreigner spreading further muck in our midst?
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Postby DT. » Wed Mar 10, 2010 12:14 pm

YFred wrote:
DT. wrote:
YFred wrote:
Oracle wrote:
YFred wrote:
Oracle wrote:Michael Stephens is free to have his opinion. But it's not based on facts, just impressions formed from the people who pay him and with whom he mostly associates. I don't think anyone of any worth will take him seriously as he wasn't even able to garner government approval for the "Memorial" he used to further his propaganda purposes.

As such, he really is no more worthy of discussion than any other Turkish peasant paid by the Turks to say "I Love Turks" :roll:

I see you have not tackled a single point that he has made. You are such a good bullshitting master debater dearest. Only second to our real master debaters DT and GR. DIY merchants.


I said they are his opinion, to which he is 'entitled'.

I'll discuss facts, but I'm not interested in his (paid) opinion, and I further qualified that with an example!

Now piss off!

At least do the decent thing and knock one of his points off, my dearest master debater.


Why don't you have a crack at it. Start with this:

They are quite distinct from each other; they have a different religion, a different language, and a different culture. They each lived in their own villages or in separate parts of the towns and larger villages.

At last Master Debater has arrived. Now what is wrong with that statement except to qualify that it applied to after 1955 with the start of eoka.
The mixed communities polarised after 55 before being torn appart by the onslaught of 63.


Nope....check out the beginning part of the paragraph i left out: He's talking about the history of Cyprus (implying Cyprus was always occupied by the ottomans) starting from 1878. Shall we move to the next one?

Cyprus was a Turkish island until it was leased to the British in 1878, and the Turkish Cypriots and Greek Cypriots had lived there for hundreds of years when Britain decolonised Cyprus in 1960. They are quite distinct from each other; they have a different religion, a different language, and a different culture. They each lived in their own villages or in separate parts of the towns and larger villages.
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Postby DT. » Wed Mar 10, 2010 12:47 pm

Here's another one for all you Michael Stephens fans out there :lol:

The UN Secretary-General made it clear in 1992 (UN doc. S/24472) that sovereignty ‘emanates equally from both communities. One community cannot claim sovereignty over the other.


DOcument S/24472 which he quotes so confidently here is nothing more than The Ghali set of Ideas which was rejected by you know who....Mr Denktash. :lol: :lol:

Feel free to read it I took the liberty of pulling it off the UN archives for thos budding historians out there

http://daccess-dds-ny.un.org/doc/UNDOC/ ... penElement
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Postby YFred » Wed Mar 10, 2010 2:29 pm

DT. wrote:
YFred wrote:
DT. wrote:
YFred wrote:
Oracle wrote:
YFred wrote:
Oracle wrote:Michael Stephens is free to have his opinion. But it's not based on facts, just impressions formed from the people who pay him and with whom he mostly associates. I don't think anyone of any worth will take him seriously as he wasn't even able to garner government approval for the "Memorial" he used to further his propaganda purposes.

As such, he really is no more worthy of discussion than any other Turkish peasant paid by the Turks to say "I Love Turks" :roll:

I see you have not tackled a single point that he has made. You are such a good bullshitting master debater dearest. Only second to our real master debaters DT and GR. DIY merchants.


I said they are his opinion, to which he is 'entitled'.

I'll discuss facts, but I'm not interested in his (paid) opinion, and I further qualified that with an example!

Now piss off!

At least do the decent thing and knock one of his points off, my dearest master debater.


Why don't you have a crack at it. Start with this:

They are quite distinct from each other; they have a different religion, a different language, and a different culture. They each lived in their own villages or in separate parts of the towns and larger villages.

At last Master Debater has arrived. Now what is wrong with that statement except to qualify that it applied to after 1955 with the start of eoka.
The mixed communities polarised after 55 before being torn appart by the onslaught of 63.


Nope....check out the beginning part of the paragraph i left out: He's talking about the history of Cyprus (implying Cyprus was always occupied by the ottomans) starting from 1878. Shall we move to the next one?

Cyprus was a Turkish island until it was leased to the British in 1878, and the Turkish Cypriots and Greek Cypriots had lived there for hundreds of years when Britain decolonised Cyprus in 1960. They are quite distinct from each other; they have a different religion, a different language, and a different culture. They each lived in their own villages or in separate parts of the towns and larger villages.

At a boy, hit where it is least important and ignore the bit about enclaved and starved the TCs. Now there is a master debater at work.
Far be it from me to try to pull the wool over our Bash Patriot Sheepriot's eyes.
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Postby DT. » Wed Mar 10, 2010 2:45 pm

DT. wrote:Here's another one for all you Michael Stephens fans out there :lol:

The UN Secretary-General made it clear in 1992 (UN doc. S/24472) that sovereignty ‘emanates equally from both communities. One community cannot claim sovereignty over the other.


DOcument S/24472 which he quotes so confidently here is nothing more than The Ghali set of Ideas which was rejected by you know who....Mr Denktash. :lol: :lol:

Feel free to read it I took the liberty of pulling it off the UN archives for thos budding historians out there

http://daccess-dds-ny.un.org/doc/UNDOC/ ... penElement


How about this one old boy? :lol: What What!
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Postby YFred » Wed Mar 10, 2010 6:36 pm

DT. wrote:
DT. wrote:Here's another one for all you Michael Stephens fans out there :lol:

The UN Secretary-General made it clear in 1992 (UN doc. S/24472) that sovereignty ‘emanates equally from both communities. One community cannot claim sovereignty over the other.


DOcument S/24472 which he quotes so confidently here is nothing more than The Ghali set of Ideas which was rejected by you know who....Mr Denktash. :lol: :lol:

Feel free to read it I took the liberty of pulling it off the UN archives for thos budding historians out there

http://daccess-dds-ny.un.org/doc/UNDOC/ ... penElement


How about this one old boy? :lol: What What!


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That's all I see, never mind. Fan Bloody Tas Bloody Tick. It seems even the UN has had enough of you old chap, what?
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