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[Alexandros Lordos]

Alex although I agree with you that GCs are not totally to blame, you state that we negotiated well to obtain what we wanted without allowing GCs to out negotiate us, is that a crime, shouldnt you have negotiated you views if valid and acceptable into the plan??? if your leaders lack this ability and do not possess the skills then why do you send boys to do a mans job??? sure this is not the TCs fault..

Viewpoint, thanks for acknowledging that we GCs are not totally to blame. Honestly, it is a relief to feel understood.

You ask whether it is a crime that you negotiated what you wanted into the plan. I guess it is not, as Prendergast has said in his report "it is natural to wish to defend your own position" - but in order to achieve a settlement, one has to also consider the concerns of the other side and moderate his own negotiating position accordingly. This applies for GCs as well as for TCs.

[Viewpoint]

I still believe the ball is totally in the GC court but they opt to play the EU leverage card on 3rd October against Turkey which imo will not yield any positive results.

[Alexandros Lordos]

I still believe the ball is totally in the GC court but they opt to play the EU leverage card on 3rd October against Turkey which imo will not yield any positive results.

But how is the ball in the GC court, if the TC/T side already signals that the key concerns of GCs cannot be negotiated?

[Viewpoint]

Alex

But how is the ball in the GC court, if the TC/T side already signals that the key concerns of GCs cannot be negotiated

Call Talats bluff for a meeting reach out and grab hold.

Allow direct trade and aid, for opening of Maras.

[magikthrill]

I still believe the ball is totally in the GC court but they opt to play the EU leverage card on 3rd October against Turkey which imo will not yield any positive results.

How is the ball in the GC court mr/mrs VP? You are saying that GCs are not thinking of the other community when they are making their demands for change. And I ask you this:

How is that people like you - who CONTINUE to support the Annan 5 Plan - claim to be thinking of the other side when you both know that it has been rejected by GCs as well as the fact that it does not satisfy 1 out of 4 GCs?

Hypocricy?

[Viewpoint]

mrs/miss/mr magikthrill how can you be sure that GCs wont negotiate another plan over the next 5 years lets call MagiPieinthesky Plan and shot that one down as well claiming they didnt like the paper its written on.
When theres is a real desire and will to make things work then the solution will arrive but for now we have nothing and are going around in circles.

[magikthrill]

mrs/miss/mr magikthrill how can you be sure that GCs wont negotiate another plan over the next 5 years lets call MagiPieinthesky Plan and shot that one down as well claiming they didnt like the paper its written on.
When theres is a real desire and will to make things work then the solution will arrive but for now we have nothing and are going around in circles.

all i read was bla bla bla bla

you didnt answer the question. why do you bash GCs for not thinking of the other side when you yourself are doing the same thing?

[Alexandros Lordos]

Call Talats bluff for a meeting reach out and grab hold.

I agree totally. I believe such a meeting will happen anyway over the next few months. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if we get a Papadopoulos-Talat meeting in London next week, when Tassos visits Blair. If not, look out for a meeting at the sidelines of the UN General Assembly in New York, this coming September.

Allow direct trade and aid, for opening of Maras.

I agree, and I think the GC leadership would accept this, but I am not sure Talat would - he would insist on direct flights as well, a red line for GCs.

[Viewpoint]

Alex apologies I did mean to include direct flights as tourism is of vitally important for strengthening the economy in the north.

[JustAnAmerican]

Keep in mind the “verbage” and wording on the reports varied greatly, because one guy’s writers and staff wanted to take a more doomed stand than the other.
In our view the reunification process is currently at its lowest.