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[Get Real!]

It doesn't matter if they thought of it or not. Turkey can try to satisfy individual refugees and maybe she will. But in order for any land transaction in Cyprus to be official and legal it has to be approved by the Land Registry of Cyprus. Say i give you a plot in Limassol and you give me 100.000 for it. We can be both happy with the transaction we made between us. But if that transaction is not approved by the Land Registry then it never becomes legal and official and basically you can not have legal title deeds for the land you paid for.

The land registry in the RoC can not refuse to register a sale that has the consent of all parties without denying the person involved rights. If you think the RoC land registry can invalidate a sale the ECHR considers legal and valid you are living in cloud cuckoo land. Having the recognised government of Cyprus in your sole control does not mean you can ignore peoples rights as and when you feel like it, though the fact that you seem to think it does is indicative as to why TC feel the need for a degree of political equality of the communites in any settlement.

It appears that this ECHR story has gotten to your head Erol! The RoC Dept of Land & Surveys is indeed the ONLY authority that can validate land and property transactions in Cyprus, and the RoC government can even introduce legislation making any dealing with the IPC illegal for all RoC citizens.

And there’s NOTHING the ECHR can do about it just as there’s NOTHING the ECHR can do for a GC refugee complaining about their property being denied by Turkey.

[B25]

It doesn't matter if they thought of it or not. Turkey can try to satisfy individual refugees and maybe she will. But in order for any land transaction in Cyprus to be official and legal it has to be approved by the Land Registry of Cyprus. Say i give you a plot in Limassol and you give me 100.000 for it. We can be both happy with the transaction we made between us. But if that transaction is not approved by the Land Registry then it never becomes legal and official and basically you can not have legal title deeds for the land you paid for.

The land registry in the RoC can not refuse to register a sale that has the consent of all parties without denying the person involved rights. If you think the RoC land registry can invalidate a sale the ECHR considers legal and valid you are living in cloud cuckoo land. Having the recognised government of Cyprus in your sole control does not mean you can ignore peoples rights as and when you feel like it, though the fact that you seem to think it does is indicative as to why TC feel the need for a degree of political equality of the communites in any settlement.

It appears that this ECHR story has gotten to your head Erol! The RoC Dept of Land & Surveys is indeed the ONLY authority that can validate land and property transactions in Cyprus, and the RoC government can even introduce legislation making any dealing with the IPC illegal for all RoC citizens.
And there’s NOTHING the ECHR can do about it just as there’s NOTHING the ECHR can do for a GC refugee complaining about their property being denied by Turkey.

The RoC should get to work immediately and draw up this legislation, in fact it should also go one step further and fine or charge huge sums for such transfer to GCs comtemplating this move.

Come on RoC show some spine FFS.

[Jerry]

It's completely irrelevant whether or not the ROC needs to validate these transactions, you are clutching at straws. All the while Turkey ocupies the north there is nothing the ROC can do about it. In the extremely unlikely event of there ever being an agreed solution to the Cyprus problem then these transactions will have to be addressed within such an agreement.

[Vincehugo]

It doesn't matter if they thought of it or not. Turkey can try to satisfy individual refugees and maybe she will. But in order for any land transaction in Cyprus to be official and legal it has to be approved by the Land Registry of Cyprus. Say i give you a plot in Limassol and you give me 100.000 for it. We can be both happy with the transaction we made between us. But if that transaction is not approved by the Land Registry then it never becomes legal and official and basically you can not have legal title deeds for the land you paid for.

The land registry in the RoC can not refuse to register a sale that has the consent of all parties without denying the person involved rights. If you think the RoC land registry can invalidate a sale the ECHR considers legal and valid you are living in cloud cuckoo land. Having the recognised government of Cyprus in your sole control does not mean you can ignore peoples rights as and when you feel like it, though the fact that you seem to think it does is indicative as to why TC feel the need for a degree of political equality of the communites in any settlement.

It appears that this ECHR story has gotten to your head Erol! The RoC Dept of Land & Surveys is indeed the ONLY authority that can validate land and property transactions in Cyprus, and the RoC government can even introduce legislation making any dealing with the IPC illegal for all RoC citizens.
And there’s NOTHING the ECHR can do about it just as there’s NOTHING the ECHR can do for a GC refugee complaining about their property being denied by Turkey.

The RoC should get to work immediately and draw up this legislation, in fact it should also go one step further and fine or charge huge sums for such transfer to GCs comtemplating this move.

Come on RoC show some spine FFS.

You don't seem to have grasped what this is all about.

So RoC should make it illegal to apply to the IPC!! What just happened to the Human Rights of GC's? Or doesn't it matter if there is a principle at stake?

And I think you'll find that the relatively small matter of the RoC Land Registry is covered by the IPC process.

[wallace]

It doesn't matter if they thought of it or not. Turkey can try to satisfy individual refugees and maybe she will. But in order for any land transaction in Cyprus to be official and legal it has to be approved by the Land Registry of Cyprus. Say i give you a plot in Limassol and you give me 100.000 for it. We can be both happy with the transaction we made between us. But if that transaction is not approved by the Land Registry then it never becomes legal and official and basically you can not have legal title deeds for the land you paid for.

The land registry in the RoC can not refuse to register a sale that has the consent of all parties without denying the person involved rights. If you think the RoC land registry can invalidate a sale the ECHR considers legal and valid you are living in cloud cuckoo land. Having the recognised government of Cyprus in your sole control does not mean you can ignore peoples rights as and when you feel like it, though the fact that you seem to think it does is indicative as to why TC feel the need for a degree of political equality of the communites in any settlement.

It appears that this ECHR story has gotten to your head Erol! The RoC Dept of Land & Surveys is indeed the ONLY authority that can validate land and property transactions in Cyprus, and the RoC government can even introduce legislation making any dealing with the IPC illegal for all RoC citizens.
And there’s NOTHING the ECHR can do about it just as there’s NOTHING the ECHR can do for a GC refugee complaining about their property being denied by Turkey.

The RoC should get to work immediately and draw up this legislation, in fact it should also go one step further and fine or charge huge sums for such transfer to GCs comtemplating this move.

Come on RoC show some spine FFS.

I understand what you are saying and understand your dissatisfaction of this judgement but are you saying now that people who have been deprived of their properties and are looking for a little comfort the rest of their short lifes which is left should pay large amount of fines because they want to get on with their lifes? Are you serious men? You tell me what these poor refugees who know that a solution is far away should do! Wait another 36 years? Going straight to the ECHR is not an option anymore. Are you going to compensate them or is our goverment?

[wallace]

If they want restitution and only resitituion and IPC deems such is not possible they can apeal that decision in the TRNC hight corut.

This is where you've started to talk through your arse!

1. The IPC is a Turkish institution not Turkish Cypriot!

2. In European law and indeed that of the rest the world, there is no such thing as the "TRNC" let alone its "high court" so get your facts right and quit suggesting stupidities!

You just playing sematics. Turkey is the 'putable' party (the one that is responsible for the denail of indivduals rrights) - the ECHR demands that Turkey offer a local remedy. Turkey can choose what 'offices' they use to do that. Turkey chooses to use the IPC as its local means of remedy and it can and will also choose to use TRNC hight court as its local court of appeal of such decisions. The recognition of the TRNC or lack of it does not come into it. Either there is a valid local remedy or there is not. If there is not then the ECHR will make Turkey provide one. Whether Turkey makes you apply to an IPC in Girne or Ankara makes no difference, just as whether any appeal is heard in a court in Girne or in Istambul makes no difference. It is Turkey's choice how and where you seek fair redress. The ECHR only cares that it does offer it, not where it offers it.

Bullshit erolz....It's the IPC and after that the ECHR again. No such a thing as going to your so called "trnc" high court. It's like GR says....get your facts right.

[erolz3]

It appears that this ECHR story has gotten to your head Erol! The RoC Dept of Land & Surveys is indeed the ONLY authority that can validate land and property transactions in Cyprus, and the RoC government can even introduce legislation making any dealing with the IPC illegal for all RoC citizens.

And there’s NOTHING the ECHR can do about it just as there’s NOTHING the ECHR can do for a GC refugee complaining about their property being denied by Turkey.

The only thing that has gotten to someones head is this idea that because an all GC run RoC government is recognised as legitimate it can do anything it likes, deprive anyone of their rights. It just madness. Just as the RoC law that requires TC to live in the RoC for 6 months before claiming their property back is a denial of their rights, so too would the RoC land registry refusing to recognise sales that the ECHR itself deems as legal. You can make the laws the laws that deny peoples rights and when you do they will be challenged in the ECHR and you will either cave in and settle as you did in the Sofi case and change the laws yourself or you can have the solution imposed on you by the ECHR. What you can not do indefinately id deny peoples rights and hope to get away with it, simply because you are the 'legitimate govenment of cyprus'.

[erolz3]

Bullshit erolz....It's the IPC and after that the ECHR again. No such a thing as going to your so called "trnc" high court. It's like GR says....get your facts right.

The process is clear wallace. You goto the IPC. If you are not happy with decision and want to challenge it you first have to challeng it in court. Turkey as the putable party can and will decide which court will handle that. They can and will choose a court in North Cyprus to do it. The ECHR will consider that to be the 'agent' deemed by Turkey to be responsible for any such appeal. That it will be in the TRNC, with TRNC judges does not amtter to the ECHR. If you fail to get the satisfaction that you desire from that court THEN you will be able to file an application to the ECHR having exhausted all local remedies. Just going to the IPC without challenging its decision in a local court is not having exhausted all local remedies. Call a court of Turkey if you like, but it will be situated in North Cyprus and presided over by norther Cypriot judges.

[wallace]

Bullshit erolz....It's the IPC and after that the ECHR again. No such a thing as going to your so called "trnc" high court. It's like GR says....get your facts right.

The process is clear wallace. You goto the IPC. If you are not happy with decision and want to challenge it you first have to challeng it in court. Turkey as the putable party can and will decide which court will handle that. They can and will choose a court in North Cyprus to do it. The ECHR will consider that to be the 'agent' deemed by Turkey to be responsible for any such appeal. That it will be in the TRNC, with TRNC judges does not amtter to the ECHR. If you fail to get the satisfaction that you desire from that court THEN you will be able to file an application to the ECHR having exhausted all local remedies. Just going to the IPC without challenging its decision in a local court is not having exhausted all local remedies. Call a court of Turkey if you like, but it will be situated in North Cyprus and presided over by norther Cypriot judges.

Bullshit....I do not recognise the north like the rest of the world! The appeal will be the ECHR. Your so called local remedy is Turkish not "trnc". The ECHR has clearly stated that the "trnc" does not exist so it can surely not expect people to go to unrecognised courts. Keep on dreaming. The recognition you are searching for will not happen. This IPC scam are delaying tactics and nothing else! It will backfire on you sooner then later. And I don't give a fuck what anybody says.....I will be one of them that will prove it is a scam.

[Get Real!]

It appears that this ECHR story has gotten to your head Erol! The RoC Dept of Land & Surveys is indeed the ONLY authority that can validate land and property transactions in Cyprus, and the RoC government can even introduce legislation making any dealing with the IPC illegal for all RoC citizens.

And there’s NOTHING the ECHR can do about it just as there’s NOTHING the ECHR can do for a GC refugee complaining about their property being denied by Turkey.

The only thing that has gotten to someones head is this idea that because an all GC run RoC government is recognised as legitimate it can do anything it likes, deprive anyone of their rights. It just madness.

By the same token, you seem to think that the illegal invader/occupier can do whatever she likes, so what's good for the goose is good for the gander!

So YES! You’re damn right when you say its madness BECAUSE:

If international law in the form of UN Resolutions, is NOT valid, or is SOMETIMES valid, then sooner or later this ambiguity will come back to haunt you!

If and when we ALL decide to abide by international law, we just may start to see the light of day in Cyprus, and everywhere else in the world!