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[Get Real!]

The IPC's purpose and function is to offer a valid local means for GC who lost property as a result of the events of 74 fair legal redress for that loss.

Reading that one could be forgiven for thinking that a great flood or earthquake has destroyed these GC properties so they should now apply to a Turkish insurance company called “IPC” for compensation, but the TRUTH of the matter is that these GC properties all over the occupied territory have in fact been ETHNICALLY CLEANSED via military force so if Turkey really wanted to “offer a valid local means” she would’ve abided by international law!

[wallace]

That's not the issue. The issue is that with this decision the IPC will offer rediculous low amounts of compensation, way below what the properties are worth (take it or leave it). I'd say, a small amount of these cases are needed to convince the ECHR how they fucked up and who they are really dealing with. If this IPC is going to offer peanuts it will backfire on them sooner then later.

The ECHR made its decision re the validity of the IPC based on its record to date. It also did so based on the terms of the IPC. Monetary compensation is offered at the market rate for such property. This is the basis that the ECHR says if fair and just for such compensation. If the IPC were to start offering less than this then yes cases would be refered to the ECHR and it would rule that the compensation offer is too low, rules that more is offered to that person and that the IPC change its practices to avoid this happening again. Personaly I do not think the IPC would be stupid enough to offer less than what is required for fair and just redress according to the ECHR. If it did it know that it will no get away with such for long.

Based on that pdf on their website? I've heard other stories too. They are fishing out the cases were minimal compensation is to be paid. People that got offered 20% of what the property is really worth. What about loss of use? The IPC will fuck up sooner then later and the ECHUMANRIGHTS will have to reconsider their judgement.

[YFred]

The IPC's purpose and function is to offer a valid local means for GC who lost property as a result of the events of 74 fair legal redress for that loss.

Reading that one could be forgiven for thinking that a great flood or earthquake has destroyed these GC properties so they should now apply to a Turkish insurance company called “IPC” for compensation, but the TRUTH of the matter is that these GC properties all over the occupied territory have in fact been ETHNICALLY CLEANSED via military force so if Turkey really wanted to “offer a valid local means” she would’ve abided by international law!

It's not as simple as that and you know it. I have been telling you for a year now that International community is changin and all you could say give a link. Well now you have. It's a chain round your neck.

[Get Real!]

As for “restitution” offered by this “IPC”… how is it possible for someone who belonged to the community that was ethnically cleansed, to enjoy their property UNDER the UN condemned military puppet state that ethnically cleansed them in the first place?

UN RESOLUTION 541 (1983)
http://www.un.int/cyprus/scr541.htm

Which clause in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights is this bizarre scenario covered under?

http://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/index.shtml

[Get Real!]

The RoC should serve its people by taking the preposterous ECHR decision to the ECJ without further delay…

http://europa.eu/institutions/inst/justice/index_en.htm

[Paphitis]

As for “restitution” offered by this “IPC”… how is it possible for someone who belonged to the community that was ethnically cleansed, to enjoy their property UNDER the UN condemned military puppet state that ethnically cleansed them in the first place?

UN RESOLUTION 541 (1983)
http://www.un.int/cyprus/scr541.htm

Which clause in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights is this bizarre scenario covered under?

http://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/index.shtml

I doubt whether the "IPC" will offer restitution, but this leaves them open to further action, firstly to the Turkish High Court and then back to the ECHR.

You may be correct, but then again you could be very wrong.

If there is one sound bit of advice I would you, it would be to advise you to make an appointment with Mr Achilleas Demetriades to discuss you very own property rights. That way, you would be in a better position to base your opinions on pure legal fact.

You got nothing to lose anyway.

[Paphitis]

The RoC should serve its people by taking the preposterous ECHR decision to the ECJ without further delay…

http://europa.eu/institutions/inst/justice/index_en.htm

Agree!

[Get Real!]

If they want restitution and only resitituion and IPC deems such is not possible they can apeal that decision in the TRNC hight corut.

This is where you've started to talk through your arse!

1. The IPC is a Turkish institution not Turkish Cypriot!

2. In European law and indeed that of the rest the world, there is no such thing as the "TRNC" let alone its "high court" so get your facts right and quit suggesting stupidities!

[YFred]

The RoC should serve its people by taking the preposterous ECHR decision to the ECJ without further delay…

http://europa.eu/institutions/inst/justice/index_en.htm

I think you have been eating too many hamburgers. Isn't ECJ some sort of mad cow disease? Where is Oracle when you need her?

[Paphitis]

If they want restitution and only resitituion and IPC deems such is not possible they can apeal that decision in the TRNC hight corut.

This is where you've started to talk through your arse!

1. The IPC is a Turkish institution not Turkish Cypriot!

2. In European law and indeed that of the rest the world, there is no such thing as the "TRNC" let alone its "high court" so get your facts right and quit suggesting stupidities!

Well picked up!

The "IPC" is Turkish. No "trnc" authority would be deemed as a suitable 'local remedy' since it is not recognized.

And on the positive side, the mere fact that Turkey has set up the "IPC" is an acknowledgment that the "trnc" is a non entity. The sword cuts both ways it seems.