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[BigDutch]

ECHR doesn't recognise the 'TRNC' but has now stated that the Turkish IPC is the local solution for GC property issues. Turkey has 'accepted responsibility' and as such de-recognised the 'TRNC'. ECHR confirms RoC is the sole legal authority on island of Cyprus.

Do visitors into the occupied areas still need to complete a VISA and show identity documents to visit the IPC ? If someone who wants to visit IPC doesn't recognise the 'TRNC' either and thus refuses to show identification or complete a 'visa' to cross into the occupied area, but the Turkish 'crossing point' officials do not allow this person to pass, then surely Turkey is thus making the IPC unusable and as such will be found to be unsuitable and the decision reversed ?

[Acikgoz]

Posts like this just demonstrate that solving problems aren't the goals of many. It is just this bs that caused the ECHR to take the direction it had.

Given the UN Sec Gen came to the north as do GCs every day and various politicians from all over Europe, do you really believe a court will take into account such a ridiculous argument.

For a Dutchman I'd say you are at the more simple end of the spectrum, the ones I know are some of the most practical pluralistic and forward thinking people around. Maybe you've just been in Cyprus too long.

[yorgozlu]

ECHR doesn't recognise the 'TRNC' but has now stated that the Turkish IPC is the local solution for GC property issues. Turkey has 'accepted responsibility' and as such de-recognised the 'TRNC'. ECHR confirms RoC is the sole legal authority on island of Cyprus.

Do visitors into the occupied areas still need to complete a VISA and show identity documents to visit the IPC ? If someone who wants to visit IPC doesn't recognise the 'TRNC' either and thus refuses to show identification or complete a 'visa' to cross into the occupied area, but the Turkish 'crossing point' officials do not allow this person to pass, then surely Turkey is thus making the IPC unusable and as such will be found to be unsuitable and the decision reversed ?

Try entering any country without producing ID never mind just TRNC.Not being recognised doesn't mean WE dont exist.However,those little visa papers has to be filled by everyone,including us TCs.
Like it or lump it is what springs to my mind for someone who isin't even Cypriot (judging by the user name)

[BigDutch]

I note the conclusions you have both reached.

I am surprised if 'VIPs' such as the UNSG and 'politicians' have to present documentation to pass ? Anyway, its not these aforementioned that i`m concerned about, as for the majority they don't have similar background to the people that are actually potential applicants to the IPC. A lot of GC's have fundamental issues with showing documentation and visa application to visit their own properties and as such do not 'cross over' in to the occupied areas.

The Loizidou vs Turkey case where many failed attempts were made to access immovable property could be noted as anyone crossing over could rightly refuse to recognise any 'TRNC' documentation, the ECHR doesn't why should a GC ? If the 'crossing point' process is amended then this 'problem' is removed. With development from the UN why not put the IPC application centre in the buffer zone (next to that UNDP hut near Ledra Palace?!) then no documentation presentation or visa is required ? After the initial application everything else can be done elsewhere with results delivered by fax/email or collected from the aforementioned centre.

Its a valid concern that needs consideration before assuming everything will work fine with regards to the IPC as a potential IPC applicant may feel their human rights are being infringed just to make an appearance at the IPC.

'Like it or lump it' - discussion at its best.

[Gasman]

A lot of GC's have fundamental issues with showing documentation and visa application to visit their own properties and as such do not 'cross over' in to the occupied areas.

Yes, I know some who fall into that category. But quite a few of those haven't EVER been to the North, before or after 1974. I know some who own land over there and who have never seen it. And some who own land there who were not in Cyprus before 1974, had moved to South Africa years before that, and who had no interest in the land they had had passed down to them until quite recently!

I have issues with quite a lot of red tape concerning stuff I want to do but cannot do unless I comply (nothing to do with Cyprob) but accept that, if I want to do it - I will have to comply.

I know Brits who swore blind they would NEVER carry an EU passport (Cypriots seem unique in their rejoicing at belonging to the EU!) - but they do carry one now or they wouldn't be able to travel.

It's up to the individual themself if they want to overcomplicate an already complicated issue or deny themselves the right to do something because of their principles.

I've said this before - I know a lot of GCs who SWORE they would leave their beloved Cyprus if the Communist Christofias won the last elections. They are all still here.

[yorgozlu]

If someone who wants to visit IPC doesn't recognise the 'TRNC' either and thus refuses to show identification or complete a 'visa' to cross into the occupied area, but the Turkish 'crossing point' officials do not allow this person to pass, then surely Turkey is thus making the IPC unusable and as such will be found to be unsuitable and the decision reversed ?


Comments like above or discussion in someone elses point of view or even 'stetaments' in my view are only going to get replies like "like it or lump it".
Perhaps,you could have choosen your wording a bit better.
I personaly do not see the fuss over this as you do not get your passport stamped and eventualy you'd have to produce an ID at the IPC office to prove yourself.
So,whats the big deal?

[Tim Drayton]

Do applications to the IPC require a personal visit? (genuine question!)

[BigDutch]

Shall the application be made in person? (Can I apply via e-mail, fax, etc.?)

The application may be lodged through a proxy. All applications that are duly prepared are put in process upon its lodging with the Commission. The applications cannot be lodged by way of e-mail or fax.

The above is quoted from the FAQ in what I understand to be the website maintained by the Turkish IPC : http://www.kuzeykibristmk.org/

Making my OP null and void !!