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The day we were told to go to Hell

Postby paaul12 » Mon Mar 08, 2010 7:24 pm

I thought about putting this in the good news section, but I could not find it :cry:


Ah what a shame the very bad ECHR, and to think just the other month you were all saying how wonderful the EU courts were and the fantastic institutions were, what’s gone wrong in such a short time?

Have a nice day :D :D :D


The day we were told to go to Hell

ANOTHER big myth, peddled by our ultra-smart, bash-patriotic lawyers and politicians collapsed on Friday when the European Court of Human Rights recognised the pseudo Immovable Property Commission (IPC) in the pseudo-state.

This means that the 1000-plus applications made to the ECHR, by Greek Cypriot refugees would have to be submitted to the pseudo-IPC and if the compensation is deemed inadequate an appeal would have to be made to the pseudo High Administrative Court. Only after these domestic remedies have been exhausted would the ECHR have to examine a case.

In short, the big myth about the European solution, based on respect of human rights that could be secured through the courts has been exposed as big sham.

With their ruling, the ECHR judges unceremoniously chucked all the case files of Greek Cypriots, into the recycling bin and ensured they would not have to deal with the Cyprus property issue ever again. Even if an applicant exhausted all domestic remedies and went to the ECHR, I bet the judges would deem the case inadmissible.

And if anyone did not want to go to the pseudo-commission, he or she could wait for a political settlement of the Cyprob, the ECHR said in its ruling, adding that it could not offer solutions to a problem that should have been resolved politically.

It gets worse. The judges also made it clear that a property did not have to be returned to the owner – there could be an exchange or he could be compensated – as the passing of 35 years raised many questions about ownership claims etc.

Our establishment does not claim to have any legal expertise, but none is required to understand the ruling of the Court, which essentially said: “We are fed up of you Greek Cypriots, clogging up the Court with your cases and presuming that the Court has nothing better to do than deal with your pathetic problem, which you refuse to solve because you are too busy playing the uncompromising champions of human rights. Now you know that respect for human rights isn’t all it’s cracked out to be.”



THE DECISION was a fatal blow to the human rights sales pitch loved by our uncompromising, bash-patriotic lawyers, political leaders and Archbishop. What will they now say to the mugs they have been taking for a ride all these years with their hard sell about the European solution based on respect of all human rights?

With the ECHR telling us to go to hell, which court would they recommend we use to solve the Cyprob? Larnaca district court, the Nicosia labour court or the Paphos kangaroo court? We await DIKO’s legal expert Andreas Angelides, the great champion of legalism to tell us what form the legal liberation struggle would now take.

Former ECHR judge, Loucis Loucaides, who, a couple of weeks ago, was insisting on a TV show that it was possible for a solution to be based on respect of human rights, must tell us what we should do now. We need some new, false hope. Incidentally, why did he not give his old chums at the Court a call and urge them not recognise the pseudo-IPC.

What I would like to know is what all those bash-patriotic lawyers, who contributed to the Court’s decision by heroically encouraging hundreds of refugees to file cases against Turkey, would do. Will they return the fees charged to poor refugees now that the cases have been dumped, without even being opened?

It is the human right of refugees to be given back their money, but will their lawyers respect it?

Source: http://www.cyprus-mail.com/opinions/tal ... l/20100307
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Postby Oracle » Mon Mar 08, 2010 7:51 pm

It's a sad reflection on your desperation that you turn to a "journalist" for his opinion on what the ruling actually said.

Firstly: The GCs will STILL have their cases heard, but they just have to file with the IPC first (no length of waiting time specified :D ). That's all. Then they can go back to the ECHR! Regardless! The IPC's offer will NOT be binding and any delay (even 24 hours) will count against it!

Secondly: The ECHR recognises Turkey's (not "TRNC") gesture as one of an occupying power!

This lends weight to the EU to REMOVE this 100% recognised occupying power!

Geddit! :D
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Postby Acikgoz » Mon Mar 08, 2010 8:33 pm

Oracle, you are sad. Your only hope and ambition is negative.

What this does is place the ball squarely in the RoC hands of solve or not. The RoC will get crushed under the weight of a settlement to its courts by TCs looking to get their properties back. If the RoC does not work in kind i.e. set up an equivalent property commission then pretty soon the RoC will not be able to practise what it preaches.

If the economics I read are not sound, then perhaps the RoC can provide the billlions in claims for TC properties lost.

The IPC is there as a remedy, shall we see some more Sofi cases first.

Bitter and twisted. See this for the positive action it is, the probable forcing of both the North and South to begin the lengthy process of settling the land issue towards the long term peace ensuring bi-zonality.

We don't want war for the sake of land. We have shown we are willing to give it up to live securely, but by secure we do not mean under the hateful eye of the GCs. That's why the army won't leave, whatever the EU says until a settlement is reached.
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Postby boulio » Mon Mar 08, 2010 8:39 pm

Obviously the descion was political.However i ask myself what do t/c want?

Infringing on someones property is nothing that the t/c have been "fighting" for all these years.I can understand political and effective participation in a federal govt. and security as well but when i see t/c cheering for someone to not be able to get there property back i really dont understand why the ROC even talks to these people.
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Postby Acikgoz » Mon Mar 08, 2010 8:52 pm

Who's cheering Boulio? Relief for many certainly, but no-one I know want to take the land of someone else, Greek, Turkish, English or Egyptian....
I am willing to switch my land for an equivalent item of value (or less) if it means long term peace for my family and community, I am not and most people I know are not comfortable with the notion of coveting someone else's property.
Possessions are replaceable. The majority of people are willing to accept a Bigger Better Deal, and if you are willing to do that, then unless long term peace is lower on your value system than possessions, you should be happy with exchanging your property.
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Postby Viewpoint » Mon Mar 08, 2010 10:01 pm

The majority of TCs are not against refugees getting their property rights back when will you GCs realize this?
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Postby Sotos » Mon Mar 08, 2010 10:02 pm

According to Republic of Cyprus everybody should get back his own land. It is the Turkish army and the TC criminals who act illegally and prevent this from happening so it is them who violate the human rights of people.
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Postby Sotos » Mon Mar 08, 2010 10:04 pm

Viewpoint wrote:The majority of TCs are not against refugees getting their property rights back when will you GCs realize this?


Why are you acting illegally and criminally then? Why don't you stop the illegalities so everybody can have his own land back? Who are you trying to fool? We all know that you want to ethnically cleanse north Cyprus from the native Cypriots and make it Turkish.
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Postby Acikgoz » Mon Mar 08, 2010 10:18 pm

Oh Sothick, you are as stubborn as you are unwise.
Text is Cyprus, so much property issue, sort it out yourselves as there are issues across the board.
Subtext - Fix this mess so you can all move on - Grow up and stop jerking off the European Courts.
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Postby Viewpoint » Mon Mar 08, 2010 10:26 pm

Sotos wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:The majority of TCs are not against refugees getting their property rights back when will you GCs realize this?


Why are you acting illegally and criminally then? Why don't you stop the illegalities so everybody can have his own land back? Who are you trying to fool? We all know that you want to ethnically cleanse north Cyprus from the native Cypriots and make it Turkish.


Sotos you are the reason why.
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