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[SKI-preo]

I personally do not care where I get justice from as long as it is indeed justice. Does the commission have a website in Greek? Are claimants self represented or are they entitled to legal representation?If we are entitled to representation are we limited to Turkish speaking lawyers or are the hearings bilingual. The forum has been described as a"commission" not a "court" so does this mean it lacks jurisdiction to make binding rulings and is this a way of sidestepping a legal analysis of the conduct of the Turkish Army.I have several properties maybe I want to sell some keep some can this be done through this bordello? What happens if my entire town insists on restitution. the ridiculous situation will arise if we are restituted where we will be a 100% Greek Cypriot town with no voting rights or the entitlement to run candidates in elections. So many questions. From what I have read the commission has pumped the decisions through reasonably fast up until now. What happens now that the commission has no incentive to move quickly?

[Kifeas]

What this actually means for all the gc that lost land, is that you have a legally recognised effective way of either getting the return of your land compensation for it, exchange or a mixture of all three,

this is great for gc refugees, don't buy in to the nationalist bullshit - why should you suffer and be deprived of what is yours while the politicians serve their own purposes and can't agree to anything after 35 years of talks.

If there was anything like this in the south I would definately take the issue of my familys property up with them

DTA, do you seriously believe this nonsense, especially after yesterday's ruling? Have you seen some of the "settlements" this "IPC" has come up with so far, mainly because those that applied to it were cases of economically devastated and desperate individuals inclined to have accept just about anything that would have been made available to them? Do you seriously believe that Turkey will ever dig into its pocket so deep and take out the several tens of billions of Euros that are required in order to properly and adequately compensate the GCs? The best "settlement" I heard from this "IPC" so far was some £600k for 7 donums of prime land, right on the seaside of Lapithos, a piece of property which you need 2.5 - 3 million euros to buy anywhere similar in the south.

[YFred]

What this actually means for all the gc that lost land, is that you have a legally recognised effective way of either getting the return of your land compensation for it, exchange or a mixture of all three,

this is great for gc refugees, don't buy in to the nationalist bullshit - why should you suffer and be deprived of what is yours while the politicians serve their own purposes and can't agree to anything after 35 years of talks.

If there was anything like this in the south I would definately take the issue of my familys property up with them

DTA, do you seriously believe this nonsense, especially after yesterday's ruling? Have you seen some of the "settlements" this "IPC" has come up with so far, mainly because those that applied to it were cases of economically devastated and desperate individuals inclined to have accept just about anything that would have been made available to them? Do you seriously believe that Turkey will ever dig into its pocket so deep and take out the several tens of billions of Euros that are required in order to properly and adequately compensate the GCs?

Is it better that they have had nothing at all and are unlikely to get anything in the short medium or the long term?
Get a hold of reality, it is slipping us all by.

[YFred]

I personally do not care where I get justice from as long as it is indeed justice. Does the commission have a website in Greek? Are claimants self represented or are they entitled to legal representation?If we are entitled to representation are we limited to Turkish speaking lawyers or are the hearings bilingual. The forum has been described as a"commission" not a "court" so does this mean it lacks jurisdiction to make binding rulings and is this a way of sidestepping a legal analysis of the conduct of the Turkish Army.I have several properties maybe I want to sell some keep some can this be done through this bordello? What happens if my entire town insists on restitution. the ridiculous situation will arise if we are restituted where we will be a 100% Greek Cypriot town with no voting rights or the entitlement to run candidates in elections. So many questions. From what I have read the commission has pumped the decisions through reasonably fast up until now. What happens now that the commission has no incentive to move quickly?

Just looked at it. Unfortunately it is only in English and Turkish. What have you got to lose. Especially if it is recognised as the first course of action. You can always take it higher if unsatisfied.
Is there a property commision in the south?

http://www.kuzeykibristmk.org/english/iletisim.html

[Kifeas]

Even in case anyone would have been in doubt that the ECtHR ruling was a purely politically motivated one, Mt. Talat has already given it out. In comments he made on Turkish NTV news network, he admitted he called president Gul, as soon as the ruling came out, and thanked him for the personal "initiatives" he took in order for this victorious ruling to become a reality. Since when a court decision requires the personal initiative and influence of the president of the defendant country, in order to turn victorious? What are these "personal initiatives" that president Gul took? Why doesn't Talat let us know?

[SKI-preo]

The examples below are interesting:

http://www.kuzeykibristmk.org/dokuman/Bitenler.pdf

Up until now the most desperate refugees have sought compensation but a handful have sought restitution. As less desperate refugees who do not particularly need compensation purely seek restitution we will see bizarre situations where the carpet baggers living in the houses of the more desperate refugee will be our neighbors. I look forward to spending time with my new neighbors. . I expect that one of my properties which has only been used as a holiday house by a retired Turkish officer on some occasions is likely to be returned to me. In which case my neighbor will be this obese foreign farmakomouna and her 2 thousand feral cats. I will bring my Vietnamese Cookbook. I suppose I have had worse neighbors. I once lived across from satanist "vampires".

[YFred]

Even in case anyone would have been in doubt that the ECtHR ruling was a purely politically motivated one, Mt. Talat has already given it out. In comments he made on Turkish NTV news network, he admitted he called president Gul, as soon as the ruling came out, and thanked him for the personal "initiatives" he took in order for this victorious ruling to become a reality. Since when a court decision requires the personal initiative and influence of the president of the defendant country, in order to turn victorious? What are these "personal initiatives" that president Gul took? Why doesn't Talat let us know?

You mean to tell me ECHR can be politically controlled? How?

[Paphitis]

The fact is that Turkey admitted that the IPC is a Turkish remedy and not a "trnc" remedy. Therefore since the IPC is a Turkish governmental mechanism then the admittance that the effective administration in the north is Turkey follows due to the illegal occupation.

As Achilleas Demetriades stated last night, Turkey has effectively reversed its recognition of the "trnc" last night and addmitted it is the authority for people to go to due to Turkey's actions of invasion and occupation of property.

As far as the ECHR is concerned, the "trnc" is no longer a pseudostate but an occupation regime ran by Turkey.

I think a few phone calls to Mr. Achilleas Dimitriades will be made on Monday!

It will be interesting to see what his advice will be about my in laws pending ECHR case. Will he advise them to exhaust the IPC avenue or not?

[DTA]

Ski preo there seems to be decent compensation from that list, Unless I completely misunderstood it? What do you think DT

[Viewpoint]

Is there a commission in the south we can apply to to get our properties back?