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[DTA]

Dt things change and if there is no solution then one day the trnc will be recognised. But read my earlier post in the thread this would be my third favoured option, it is just that Kickapoo has decided to discuss that rather than my first two options.

[B25]

Dt things change and if there is no solution then one day the trnc will be recognised. But read my earlier post in the thread this would be my third favoured option, it is just that Kickapoo has decided to discuss that rather than my first two options.

Dream on, if there was ANY basis for recognition you'd have had it by now. You know and we know, it's not possible so STFU about your pseudo recognition.

We are making powerful friends in a daily basis, even your motherland is starting to get nervous. What weapons do the french produce that we may purchase??? better still we would be happy to store them here for them just in case.

Things change and the balance won't always be like this. I am positive that once we strike to oil/gas on the south side, you will see our friend list grow and hows arse is going to be kissed. The only EU oil producing country a??? Who needs the arabs.

We will wait paitiently, see what comes we are a paitient people we have 1000's of years of experience.

I am already teaching my children/grandchildren about the atrocities the turks caused us and I will pass on this info to all the younger generation to tell them to beware of the turk.

Roll on the oil and gas, this is going to be our saviour, not the shit head politicians we have today who only think of their own necks and what they can get out of it, all corrupted bastards.

[DTA]

You teaching them about EOKA B as well?

[YFred]

Dt things change and if there is no solution then one day the trnc will be recognised. But read my earlier post in the thread this would be my third favoured option, it is just that Kickapoo has decided to discuss that rather than my first two options.

Dream on, if there was ANY basis for recognition you'd have had it by now. You know and we know, it's not possible so STFU about your pseudo recognition.

We are making powerful friends in a daily basis, even your motherland is starting to get nervous. What weapons do the french produce that we may purchase??? better still we would be happy to store them here for them just in case.

Things change and the balance won't always be like this. I am positive that once we strike to oil/gas on the south side, you will see our friend list grow and hows arse is going to be kissed. The only EU oil producing country a??? Who needs the arabs.

We will wait paitiently, see what comes we are a paitient people we have 1000's of years of experience.

I am already teaching my children/grandchildren about the atrocities the turks caused us and I will pass on this info to all the younger generation to tell them to beware of the turk.

Roll on the oil and gas, this is going to be our saviour, not the shit head politicians we have today who only think of their own necks and what they can get out of it, all corrupted bastards.

If you get one litre of oil or gas out without the agreement of Turkey, I shall convert to Xristo and be known as Nigoli. Fat chance. If Greece could not get any out, how do you propose to get it out, unless of course it is straight into Turkish tankers.
All you'll get is a mono dahtilo right up your proverbial.

[YFred]

Also the present status quo is not and have neve been a forever option.

If there is no solution then one day the new trnc would be recognised.

If that were to happen, then for sure, neither the new TRNC nor Turkey will ever see the light of the EU as well as war always being an open ended possibility on the island from then on.! The new TRNC will be in the same economic status as Turkey, which is around $6,000 per capita per year as well as the extinction of the TCs as we knew them. We will become the almost extinct tribal people of the "Kikapu's, Kikapoo's, Kickapoo's" of North America. We too will have hiking trails named after us, the ones who one time were in Cyprus, since the north will become nothing but "Little Turkey" then on, so be careful what you wish for, just because you might end up getting it, which then you may not like
it.!

for many tcs this will be better than living under gc rule.
As for you being a free thinker, well you better stRt backing that up with some balnce the because all I see is you attacking anything remotely positive to tc atonomy (and by this I mean real, and sustainable autonomy). Your badge of 'free thinking' that you wear so proudly is nothing more than illusion one that you may have even fooled yourself with, if I saw even a hint of balance and fairness to what you write here then maybe I could respect your free thinking claim but I don't so I can't.

Your chess analogy is fLAWED And used to deflect from the valid counter arguments that I presented you with.

As for war or the threat of war, the new trnc would be protected by turkey obviously, so war by the gc state on the tc state would be simply suiside.

As for the economic future well, by 2020 turkey is predicted to be the 12th biggest economy in the world and even if it plays out like you said (which I don't think it will because eu need to do something over turkeys membership and zmy idea of the new trnc would please turkey enough, give it enough influence but no where the amount of influence it would have as a full member thus keeping the power base of French and german coalition intact) it would not be too bad

In all these plans you still have the minor problem that you cannot have a recognised independent state on sovereign land of the Republic of Cyprus.

Do not worry about little ol roc, when the time comes essek gibi - sandon gharon they will sign.
Watch em and weep.
Gavurui.

[DT.]

Also the present status quo is not and have neve been a forever option.

If there is no solution then one day the new trnc would be recognised.

If that were to happen, then for sure, neither the new TRNC nor Turkey will ever see the light of the EU as well as war always being an open ended possibility on the island from then on.! The new TRNC will be in the same economic status as Turkey, which is around $6,000 per capita per year as well as the extinction of the TCs as we knew them. We will become the almost extinct tribal people of the "Kikapu's, Kikapoo's, Kickapoo's" of North America. We too will have hiking trails named after us, the ones who one time were in Cyprus, since the north will become nothing but "Little Turkey" then on, so be careful what you wish for, just because you might end up getting it, which then you may not like
it.!

for many tcs this will be better than living under gc rule.
As for you being a free thinker, well you better stRt backing that up with some balnce the because all I see is you attacking anything remotely positive to tc atonomy (and by this I mean real, and sustainable autonomy). Your badge of 'free thinking' that you wear so proudly is nothing more than illusion one that you may have even fooled yourself with, if I saw even a hint of balance and fairness to what you write here then maybe I could respect your free thinking claim but I don't so I can't.

Your chess analogy is fLAWED And used to deflect from the valid counter arguments that I presented you with.

As for war or the threat of war, the new trnc would be protected by turkey obviously, so war by the gc state on the tc state would be simply suiside.

As for the economic future well, by 2020 turkey is predicted to be the 12th biggest economy in the world and even if it plays out like you said (which I don't think it will because eu need to do something over turkeys membership and zmy idea of the new trnc would please turkey enough, give it enough influence but no where the amount of influence it would have as a full member thus keeping the power base of French and german coalition intact) it would not be too bad

In all these plans you still have the minor problem that you cannot have a recognised independent state on sovereign land of the Republic of Cyprus.

Do not worry about little ol roc, when the time comes essek gibi - sandon gharon they will sign.
Watch em and weep.
Gavurui.

re poushto tourkoui..dream on.

[vaughanwilliams]

Dt things change and if there is no solution then one day the trnc will be recognised. But read my earlier post in the thread this would be my third favoured option, it is just that Kickapoo has decided to discuss that rather than my first two options.

Dream on, if there was ANY basis for recognition you'd have had it by now. You know and we know, it's not possible so STFU about your pseudo recognition.

We are making powerful friends in a daily basis, even your motherland is starting to get nervous. What weapons do the french produce that we may purchase??? better still we would be happy to store them here for them just in case.

Things change and the balance won't always be like this. I am positive that once we strike to oil/gas on the south side, you will see our friend list grow and hows arse is going to be kissed. The only EU oil producing country a??? Who needs the arabs.

We will wait paitiently, see what comes we are a paitient people we have 1000's of years of experience.

I am already teaching my children/grandchildren about the atrocities the turks caused us and I will pass on this info to all the younger generation to tell them to beware of the turk.

Roll on the oil and gas, this is going to be our saviour, not the shit head politicians we have today who only think of their own necks and what they can get out of it, all corrupted bastards.

Not by a long chalk.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_oi ... tes#Europe
Please check your facts before making wild/silly statements.

[Kikapu]

Also the present status quo is not and have neve been a forever option.

If there is no solution then one day the new trnc would be recognised.

If that were to happen, then for sure, neither the new TRNC nor Turkey will ever see the light of the EU as well as war always being an open ended possibility on the island from then on.! The new TRNC will be in the same economic status as Turkey, which is around $6,000 per capita per year as well as the extinction of the TCs as we knew them. We will become the almost extinct tribal people of the "Kikapu's, Kikapoo's, Kickapoo's" of North America. We too will have hiking trails named after us, the ones who one time were in Cyprus, since the north will become nothing but "Little Turkey" then on, so be careful what you wish for, just because you might end up getting it, which then you may not like
it.!

for many tcs this will be better than living under gc rule.
As for you being a free thinker, well you better stRt backing that up with some balnce the because all I see is you attacking anything remotely positive to tc atonomy (and by this I mean real, and sustainable autonomy). Your badge of 'free thinking' that you wear so proudly is nothing more than illusion one that you may have even fooled yourself with, if I saw even a hint of balance and fairness to what you write here then maybe I could respect your free thinking claim but I don't so I can't.

Your chess analogy is fLAWED And used to deflect from the valid counter arguments that I presented you with.

As for war or the threat of war, the new trnc would be protected by turkey obviously, so war by the gc state on the tc state would be simply suiside.

As for the economic future well, by 2020 turkey is predicted to be the 12th biggest economy in the world and even if it plays out like you said (which I don't think it will because eu need to do something over turkeys membership and zmy idea of the new trnc would please turkey enough, give it enough influence but no where the amount of influence it would have as a full member thus keeping the power base of French and german coalition intact) it would not be too bad

for many tcs this will be better than living under gc rule.

How would that be so in the BBF plan I gave you.??

As for you being a free thinker, well you better stRt backing that up with some balnce the because all I see is you attacking anything remotely positive to tc atonomy (and by this I mean real, and sustainable autonomy).

What autonomy.?? If you mean autonomy as in each state has in any True Federation as in the USA, I do support it, and since you have read my BBF plan, that's what it states, does it not.! If you mean autonomy as in north state acting like an independent sovereign nation built on land that belongs to 200,000 GCs who have been ethnically cleaned that can sign treaties with foreign nations, then I do not support it. That is not a unified Cyprus but a partitioned Cyprus, just as what the Annan Plan was that all the NeoPartitionists loved. Are you one of those NeoPartitionist, DTA.?? So tells us what you mean by "real sustainable autonomy".?

As for my free thinking, it is just that. It does not need to conform to your ideals as to what my free thinking is or does. It does not need to conforms to your beliefs in order to be accepted by you. Who the hell do you think you are anyway.?? Just what "positives" to the TCs do I attack.?? Please tell us. I "attack" only what are Undemocratic, violations of Human Rights and International Laws. Wouldn't you if you were a free thinker.??

Your badge of 'free thinking' that you wear so proudly is nothing more than illusion one that you may have even fooled yourself with, if I saw even a hint of balance and fairness to what you write here then maybe I could respect your free thinking claim but I don't so I can't.

Why do I need to write anything to be so called "balanced". I'm giving you my opinions, as well as making comments and editorialising others posts in the way I see them. It does not need your approval or your consent how I interpret them. They are my views. Take it or leave it. I don't tell you how to write or to be "balanced", do I.?? I do not need to make excuses to all wrongs done in Cyprus so to give the impression that I'm being "balanced". When was the last time you wrote anything that was "balanced".??

Your chess analogy is fLAWED And used to deflect from the valid counter arguments that I presented you with.

OK, so you don't know what the hell I was talking about in that case, just because perhaps you do not play chess or not that well, or/and not having any foresights.!

As for war or the threat of war, the new trnc would be protected by turkey obviously, so war by the gc state on the tc state would be simply suiside.

So you don't care if in the case of unfair partition that there will always be war in the future of the island as long as you think you will have Turkey to kick some ass. And what if Turkey was not there to kick some ass, because someone bigger might kick Turkey's ass instead. Where would that leave you.??

As for the economic future well, by 2020 turkey is predicted to be the 12th biggest economy in the world and even if it plays out like you said (which I don't think it will because eu need to do something over turkeys membership and zmy idea of the new trnc would please turkey enough, give it enough influence but no where the amount of influence it would have as a full member thus keeping the power base of French and german coalition intact) it would not be too bad

Turkey being 12th biggest economy by 2020 from being around 18th now is hardly any benefit when the income per capita of the Turks would mean not that much better than what it is today, given their alarming population increase. Turkey has been running a trade deficit every month, which means they are buying more than they are selling, which means incomes of the Turks remain stagnant. You need to sell goods "home grow" and not home made for companies that are foreign owned giving the Turkish workers "slave wages". Look at the links below and see for yourself. I expect things to be worse now than what Turkey's GDP based in US dollars was in 2008 that the charts show for the per capita income since the Turkish Lira has lost about 25% of it's value against the dollar since that time. Lets not even talk about the non existence of the economy of the "trnc", since the last report Halil gave us few days ago showed the trade deficit was around 1,500% (negative) who does not have a trade embargo with 70+ million Turks in Turkey.

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/Economi ... Symbol=TRY

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/Economi ... symbol=TRY

[DTA]

Also the present status quo is not and have neve been a forever option.

If there is no solution then one day the new trnc would be recognised.

If that were to happen, then for sure, neither the new TRNC nor Turkey will ever see the light of the EU as well as war always being an open ended possibility on the island from then on.! The new TRNC will be in the same economic status as Turkey, which is around $6,000 per capita per year as well as the extinction of the TCs as we knew them. We will become the almost extinct tribal people of the "Kikapu's, Kikapoo's, Kickapoo's" of North America. We too will have hiking trails named after us, the ones who one time were in Cyprus, since the north will become nothing but "Little Turkey" then on, so be careful what you wish for, just because you might end up getting it, which then you may not like
it.!

for many tcs this will be better than living under gc rule.
As for you being a free thinker, well you better stRt backing that up with some balnce the because all I see is you attacking anything remotely positive to tc atonomy (and by this I mean real, and sustainable autonomy). Your badge of 'free thinking' that you wear so proudly is nothing more than illusion one that you may have even fooled yourself with, if I saw even a hint of balance and fairness to what you write here then maybe I could respect your free thinking claim but I don't so I can't.

Your chess analogy is fLAWED And used to deflect from the valid counter arguments that I presented you with.

As for war or the threat of war, the new trnc would be protected by turkey obviously, so war by the gc state on the tc state would be simply suiside.

As for the economic future well, by 2020 turkey is predicted to be the 12th biggest economy in the world and even if it plays out like you said (which I don't think it will because eu need to do something over turkeys membership and zmy idea of the new trnc would please turkey enough, give it enough influence but no where the amount of influence it would have as a full member thus keeping the power base of French and german coalition intact) it would not be too bad

for many tcs this will be better than living under gc rule.

How would that be so in the BBF plan I gave you.??

As for you being a free thinker, well you better stRt backing that up with some balnce the because all I see is you attacking anything remotely positive to tc atonomy (and by this I mean real, and sustainable autonomy).

What autonomy.?? If you mean autonomy as in each state has in any True Federation as in the USA, I do support it, and since you have read my BBF plan, that's what it states, does it not.! If you mean autonomy as in north state acting like an independent sovereign nation built on land that belongs to 200,000 GCs who have been ethnically cleaned that can sign treaties with foreign nations, then I do not support it. That is not a unified Cyprus but a partitioned Cyprus, just as what the Annan Plan was that all the NeoPartitionists loved. Are you one of those NeoPartitionist, DTA.?? So tells us what you mean by "real sustainable autonomy".?

As for my free thinking, it is just that. It does not need to conform to your ideals as to what my free thinking is or does. It does not need to conforms to your beliefs in order to be accepted by you. Who the hell do you think you are anyway.?? Just what "positives" to the TCs do I attack.?? Please tell us. I "attack" only what are Undemocratic, violations of Human Rights and International Laws. Wouldn't you if you were a free thinker.??

Your badge of 'free thinking' that you wear so proudly is nothing more than illusion one that you may have even fooled yourself with, if I saw even a hint of balance and fairness to what you write here then maybe I could respect your free thinking claim but I don't so I can't.

Why do I need to write anything to be so called "balanced". I'm giving you my opinions, as well as making comments and editorialising others posts in the way I see them. It does not need your approval or your consent how I interpret them. They are my views. Take it or leave it. I don't tell you how to write or to be "balanced", do I.?? I do not need to make excuses to all wrongs done in Cyprus so to give the impression that I'm being "balanced". When was the last time you wrote anything that was "balanced".??

Your chess analogy is fLAWED And used to deflect from the valid counter arguments that I presented you with.

OK, so you don't know what the hell I was talking about in that case, just because perhaps you do not play chess or not that well, or/and not having any foresights.!

As for war or the threat of war, the new trnc would be protected by turkey obviously, so war by the gc state on the tc state would be simply suiside.

So you don't care if in the case of unfair partition that there will always be war in the future of the island as long as you think you will have Turkey to kick some ass. And what if Turkey was not there to kick some ass, because someone bigger might kick Turkey's ass instead. Where would that leave you.??

As for the economic future well, by 2020 turkey is predicted to be the 12th biggest economy in the world and even if it plays out like you said (which I don't think it will because eu need to do something over turkeys membership and zmy idea of the new trnc would please turkey enough, give it enough influence but no where the amount of influence it would have as a full member thus keeping the power base of French and german coalition intact) it would not be too bad

Turkey being 12th biggest economy by 2020 from being around 18th now is hardly any benefit when the income per capita of the Turks would mean not that much better than what it is today, given their alarming population increase. Turkey has been running a trade deficit every month, which means they are buying more than they are selling, which means incomes of the Turks remain stagnant. You need to sell goods "home grow" and not home made for companies that are foreign owned giving the Turkish workers "slave wages". Look at the links below and see for yourself. I expect things to be worse now than what Turkey's GDP based in US dollars was in 2008 that the charts show for the per capita income since the Turkish Lira has lost about 25% of it's value against the dollar since that time. Lets not even talk about the non existence of the economy of the "trnc", since the last report Halil gave us few days ago showed the trade deficit was around 1,500% (negative) who does not have a trade embargo with 70+ million Turks in Turkey.

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/Economi ... Symbol=TRY

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/Economi ... symbol=TRY

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for many tcs this will be better than living under gc rule.


How would that be so in the BBF plan I gave you.??

As I have mentioned before your plan needs expansion to explain loads of issue for example sustainable economics in the 'TC zones' that you would set up, the size of the 'TC zones' so called 'settlers' staying etc etc at this moment it is far to simplistic.

What autonomy.??

A true and sustainable one.

If you mean autonomy as in north state acting like an independent sovereign nation built on land that belongs to 200,000 GCs who have been ethnically cleaned that can sign treaties with foreign nations, then I do not support it.

In my plan of a new TRNC (and remember this was my third choice in regards to a solution to the cyprus problem- but you seem to have forgotten that point) All refugees that want to return to the New TRNC will be allowed to do so either to their original lands or as close as possible all the rest would be compensate via the framework of the IPC. This is basically what the latest ruling by the ECHR means anyway (minus the new TRNC of course)

That is not a unified Cyprus but a partitioned Cyprus, just as what the Annan Plan was that all the NeoPartitionists loved. Are you one of those NeoPartitionist, DTA.??

remember 3rd choice?

So tells us what you mean by "real sustainable autonomy".?

explained already

As for my free thinking, it is just that. It does not need to conform to your ideals as to what my free thinking is or does. It does not need to conforms to your beliefs in order to be accepted by you. Who the hell do you think you are anyway.?? Just what "positives" to the TCs do I attack.?? Please tell us. I "attack" only what are Undemocratic, violations of Human Rights and International Laws. Wouldn't you if you were a free thinker.??

Dude if you believe that you are so deluded that may be we should stop communicating, because you would be on the verge of being mentally unstable and I will start to feel bad.

seriously dude what are you talking about? you are so blinkered in favour of the view of the GCs that I actually thought you were one (and I was not taking the piss).

PS the Human rights court of europe made a rulling recently but you weren't talking about respecting laws of human rights then were you?

if you cant see that you are bias, and you truly believe that you are an independant free thinker, seriously seek help, because you are dellusional and I dont mean this in a disrespectful way it is just the persona that you display here.

Why do I need to write anything to be so called "balanced". I'm giving you my opinions, as well as making comments and editorialising others posts in the way I see them.

but you only from what I have seen make comments that support the GC position and although I have obviously not read all your post I make an educated guess that this is almost an exclusive truth.

When was the last time you wrote anything that was "balanced".??

Maybe I am delluded as well But I think about 90% of my post have either been balanced or have a good reason for not being so, ie have been wound up by you or other GCs and retaliated.

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Your chess analogy is fLAWED And used to deflect from the valid counter arguments that I presented you with.

OK, so you don't know what the hell I was talking about in that case, just because perhaps you do not play chess or not that well, or/and not having any foresights.!

I haven't played chess in a very long time maybe 15 years and I must have only in my life played less than 50 games if that, but I very much held my own with people that were my elders or that had being playing it much more consistantly than me, I have maybe lost 5 -15 games. So I would say that I am not exactly below average. SO you are worng again.

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As for war or the threat of war, the new trnc would be protected by turkey obviously, so war by the gc state on the tc state would be simply suiside.


So you don't care if in the case of unfair partition that there will always be war in the future of the island as long as you think you will have Turkey to kick some ass. And what if Turkey was not there to kick some ass, because someone b]igger might kick Turkey's ass instead. Where would that leave you.??

I am talking about the situation of today and the forseeable future and you are talking make believe.

Russia is the only country with any (although tiny) links to Cyprus (similar ish religion) that would be a threat to Turkey, and unlike many other big countries russians have pedegree of war of equal to England and Turkeys. BUT if Turkey and Russia were to go to war it would be catastrophic for both countries and cyprus is just not that important to russia.

Further more You were the one bringing up war... I dont like the idea of war myself.

Turkey being 12th biggest economy by 2020 from being around 18th now is hardly any benefit when the income per capita of the Turks would mean not that much better than what it is today, given their alarming population increase. Turkey has been running a trade deficit every month, which means they are buying more than they are selling, which means incomes of the Turks remain stagnant. You need to sell goods "home grow" and not home made for companies that are foreign owned giving the Turkish workers "slave wages". Look at the links below and see for yourself. I expect things to be worse now than what Turkey's GDP based in US dollars was in 2008 that the charts show for the per capita income since the Turkish Lira has lost about 25% of it's value against the dollar since that time. Lets not even talk about the non existence of the economy of the "trnc", since the last report Halil gave us few days ago showed the trade deficit was around 1,500% (negative) who does not have a trade embargo with 70+ million Turks in Turkey.

Turkey is modernising, but you bring up some very good points, BUt look to China and india and you will see shocking similarities between were they were 5/10 years ago and where turkey is now.

As for the TRNC economy yes it is a joke, but the fact that you talk of not having a embargoe with 70 million turks is a further example of your myopic view.

It is a mess without a doubt- but you expect TRNC to be able compete with Turkey in terms of agriculture and tourism (that is two main natural resources that North cyprus has..... but Turkey has more of both and is a world leader in both.

But without a doubt Turkey should have invested in the private sector of cyprus rather than inflating the Public sector to the levels that I think surpase our mainland greek friends.