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[Kikapu]

By the way, how is that BBF Power sharing thread that I put together which Bir had asked you so nicely to read coming along.??

I read it, its seems that you put some time and effort in to it, and there could be some merit in what you wrote, but this merit would depend on where your so called 'TC zones' are located, total Tc population figures in reference to the so called 'settlers', population and economic safe guards and sustainabilty of the so called TC zones and much more.

I only dealt with the "Power Sharing" issues and not solving the whole problem, but if you want me to, just ask for it.!:roll:

Just for your information, I hated your condesending tone at the start of that thread.

What condescending tone.??? What are you talking about.???

By the way, did you just read only the opening post or did you read all the way through the thread.??

Everything is inter-connected, especially the points that I raised, even you should know that!

I read through some of the pages but not all, is there anything that you feel that I should look out for?

by the question I originally raised was:

what is your ideal solution to the cyprus problem, dont duck it just tell us.

1) If it's going to be a settlement based on True Federation, True Democracy, Human Rights, International Laws and EU Principles which is what I support, hence my views on my BBF thread.

2) If it's going to be a settlement NOT based on the above principles that I have stated, just as what the Annan Plan was, then you are asking the repeat of the 1960s events all over again in the near future.

I support No.1. Which do you support.??

You have only given me two options, where I have given you an open ended invitation to to tell us what you ideal solution would be... thats not very fair is it.

I told you, I take option No.1. Isn't that option good enough for you.?:roll:

[DTA]

By the way, how is that BBF Power sharing thread that I put together which Bir had asked you so nicely to read coming along.??

I read it, its seems that you put some time and effort in to it, and there could be some merit in what you wrote, but this merit would depend on where your so called 'TC zones' are located, total Tc population figures in reference to the so called 'settlers', population and economic safe guards and sustainabilty of the so called TC zones and much more.

I only dealt with the "Power Sharing" issues and not solving the whole problem, but if you want me to, just ask for it.!:roll:

Just for your information, I hated your condesending tone at the start of that thread.

What condescending tone.??? What are you talking about.???

By the way, did you just read only the opening post or did you read all the way through the thread.??

Everything is inter-connected, especially the points that I raised, even you should know that!

I read through some of the pages but not all, is there anything that you feel that I should look out for?

by the question I originally raised was:

what is your ideal solution to the cyprus problem, dont duck it just tell us.

1) If it's going to be a settlement based on True Federation, True Democracy, Human Rights, International Laws and EU Principles which is what I support, hence my views on my BBF thread.

2) If it's going to be a settlement NOT based on the above principles that I have stated, just as what the Annan Plan was, then you are asking the repeat of the 1960s events all over again in the near future.

I support No.1. Which do you support.??

You have only given me two options, where I have given you an open ended invitation to to tell us what you ideal solution would be... thats not very fair is it.

I told you, I take option No.1. Isn't that option good enough for you.?:roll:

Using evocative emmotive words is a cheap trick, the devil is always in the detail, anyone that tries to hide the detail is trying to hide the devil.

[boulio]

whats your ideal solution DTA?
AND WHAT solution can you live with?

you can post a few areas for your solution you can live with is much appreciated.

and if your ideal solution is partition please tell us in what form?land percentage,t/c independence from turkey,relations of the two countries on the island after a agreed partition.

[Kikapu]

By the way, how is that BBF Power sharing thread that I put together which Bir had asked you so nicely to read coming along.??

I read it, its seems that you put some time and effort in to it, and there could be some merit in what you wrote, but this merit would depend on where your so called 'TC zones' are located, total Tc population figures in reference to the so called 'settlers', population and economic safe guards and sustainabilty of the so called TC zones and much more.

I only dealt with the "Power Sharing" issues and not solving the whole problem, but if you want me to, just ask for it.!:roll:

Just for your information, I hated your condesending tone at the start of that thread.

What condescending tone.??? What are you talking about.???

By the way, did you just read only the opening post or did you read all the way through the thread.??

Everything is inter-connected, especially the points that I raised, even you should know that!

I read through some of the pages but not all, is there anything that you feel that I should look out for?

by the question I originally raised was:

what is your ideal solution to the cyprus problem, dont duck it just tell us.

1) If it's going to be a settlement based on True Federation, True Democracy, Human Rights, International Laws and EU Principles which is what I support, hence my views on my BBF thread.

2) If it's going to be a settlement NOT based on the above principles that I have stated, just as what the Annan Plan was, then you are asking the repeat of the 1960s events all over again in the near future.

I support No.1. Which do you support.??

You have only given me two options, where I have given you an open ended invitation to to tell us what you ideal solution would be... thats not very fair is it.

I told you, I take option No.1. Isn't that option good enough for you.?:roll:

Using evocative emmotive words is a cheap trick, the devil is always in the detail, anyone that tries to hide the detail is trying to hide the devil.

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=21685

I gave you 28 pages of it. That's hardly called "trying to hide the details", can it.??

[DTA]

whats your ideal solution DTA?
AND WHAT solution can you live with?

you can post a few areas for your solution you can live with is much appreciated.

and if your ideal solution is partition please tell us in what form?land percentage,t/c independence from turkey,relations of the two countries on the island after a agreed partition.

My ideal solution would probably be something that not many TC or GC would touch:

in its most basic form:

I would like to see the long term strategy of both sides of the Island to merge their turkish and greek heritage even to extend of mixing of the two languages and this being taught in schools as the Cypriot language.

I would like to see the two religions working together to find the (vast amounts of) common ground between them and then this being mixed together as well.

I would like cyprus to be a place where nationalism on any side does not exist.

I would like cyprus to be an example of how two 'ancient enemies' can live together as one people and eventually merge together.

Failing that

I would want a solution that ensures us as equal partners in every sense of the word in a cypriot state, and protections to ensure that we remain equal partners, along the lines of BBF or BBC

Failing that I would want partition:

I would be willing to give up Morphou and Marash and the buffer zone to achieve this, all GC refugees who want to would have the right to return to their land in the TC state this would be staggerd though, and obviously have all the same rights as other TCS we would become part of the EU as well.

How bout you?

[boulio]

idealy a unitary state were everyones individual rights are protected.effective participation of all cypriots in the state.a fully integrated member of the EU.

ONE THAT I CAN LIVE WITH:

bbf with two states with about a 75/25 ratio in land.t/c in the north majority but not exclucivity.run local affairs.on the federal level active t/c participation again.t/c can be enshirned with some blocking mechansim to be pre determined.

[DTA]

idealy a unitary state were everyones individual rights are protected.effective participation of all cypriots in the state.a fully integrated member of the EU.

ONE THAT I CAN LIVE WITH:

bbf with two states with about a 75/25 ratio in land.t/c in the north majority but not exclucivity.run local affairs.on the federal level active t/c participation again.t/c can be enshirned with some blocking mechansim to be pre determined.

I dont think that we would be a million miles apart with your 2nd proposal,
the settlers issue has to be addressed - which maybe difficult - around 30% of land would be good (but that depends on what land) - security is a huge one for both of us, as is compensation for the few that obviously will not be in their particular desired zone and have to/feel compelled to move.

what did you think of my 'crazy' first idea?

[boulio]

the problem with your idea is "equal parters".political equality does not mean 50/50 split at all organs of the govt.and the 30% of land would mean as was always implied in previous agreements (1977 1978)that if the t/c state would be 29% all refugees would return.

[Kikapu]

Failing that I would want partition:

I would be willing to give up Morphou and Marash and the buffer zone to achieve this, all GC refugees who want to would have the right to return to their land in the TC state this would be staggerd though, and obviously have all the same rights as other TCS we would become part of the EU as well.

How bout you?

First of all, Turkey will not allow plain partition to form two separate states, but lets say they did, that would not mean that the TRNC as a separate country will be in the EU and neither would Turkey. Why do you think that the RoC would first agree to a partition against it's will, then go ahead and allow the new TRNC and Turkey to become EU members. Surely there has to be a price paid for the new TRNC and Turkey for having achieved partition.?

Secondly, do you also accept, that all the TCs who are now all RoC and EU citizens will need to give up that citizenship. You will no longer be a EU citizen and that you would abdicate your rights as a citizen of the RoC and the EU.! You will also have no rights to the oil fields in the southern waters of the RoC.!

Are these condition acceptable to you in wanting a partition as a last resort.??

[SKI-preo]

Kyrenia always cops it.