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[Kikapu]

One thing the RoC can do if they wish to do so, is to buy the GCs land in the north directly from the GCs who may want to sell it to Turkey with the IPC. If the IPC is offering today's depressed land prices in the north to the GCs, then the RoC can offer them 10% premium of the IPC's offer and buy the land themselves. The only reason the GCs would go to the IPC is either to get their land back or to get money from Turkey for not being able to use their land. As for selling it, why not sell it to the RoC or to any other GC in the RoC. I would think a move like this would put the IPC out of business in a hurry.

Firstly there are GC who wanted restitution of their property, wnet to the IPC and got it. Sure for those that want compensation in cash money then an offer from the RoC to pay them more for it than the market rate the IPC will give them is attractive, though they do not get any money for compensation for loss of use via this route. If that were to happend it would not worry the IPC , or Turkey for that matter one bit for the IPC is not a 'business'. Its function is to provide a local means of redress so that Turkey is deemed to have met the conditions of the judgments gainst it at the ECHR. As long as that means exists it serves its purpose if people choose to use that means or not. If they choose not to its certainly cheaper for Turkey.

Erol, what I'm saying is, the GC's can go to the IPC to do 2 things only.

1) to get their land back

2) get compensation from Turkey for not being able to use their land since 1974

If the GCs were to sell their land to the RoC, sure it will be cheaper to Turkey, but at the same time, Turkey won't be able to buy cheap land from the GCs either. Instead, it can be bought by the RoC just so to ensure there is pleanty of GC owned land in the north in order to make the claim true, that the north is occupied by Turkey and that most of the land in the north belongs to the GCs.

You are truly clever I think you should tell them to do so... I can't see a downside at all....

oh.... except for ... You know what you figure that out yourself.

I don't know what you are on about, DTA.?

By the way, how is that BBF Power sharing thread that I put together which Bir had asked you so nicely to read coming along.??

[YFred]

B25, nothing could be more convenient for Turkey/TRNC if the responsibility for obstruction of individuals attaining restitution of their property rights was move to the GC govt. Suddenly 1,400 problems disappear.

Cracking post Acikgoz

B25, an 'instructor' in WHAT exactly? The ROC institute of stupid ideas? Ever thought of entering GC politics?

Instructor in 31. But he is so crap at even that, his number is not right.

[DTA]

One thing the RoC can do if they wish to do so, is to buy the GCs land in the north directly from the GCs who may want to sell it to Turkey with the IPC. If the IPC is offering today's depressed land prices in the north to the GCs, then the RoC can offer them 10% premium of the IPC's offer and buy the land themselves. The only reason the GCs would go to the IPC is either to get their land back or to get money from Turkey for not being able to use their land. As for selling it, why not sell it to the RoC or to any other GC in the RoC. I would think a move like this would put the IPC out of business in a hurry.

Firstly there are GC who wanted restitution of their property, wnet to the IPC and got it. Sure for those that want compensation in cash money then an offer from the RoC to pay them more for it than the market rate the IPC will give them is attractive, though they do not get any money for compensation for loss of use via this route. If that were to happend it would not worry the IPC , or Turkey for that matter one bit for the IPC is not a 'business'. Its function is to provide a local means of redress so that Turkey is deemed to have met the conditions of the judgments gainst it at the ECHR. As long as that means exists it serves its purpose if people choose to use that means or not. If they choose not to its certainly cheaper for Turkey.

Erol, what I'm saying is, the GC's can go to the IPC to do 2 things only.

1) to get their land back

2) get compensation from Turkey for not being able to use their land since 1974

If the GCs were to sell their land to the RoC, sure it will be cheaper to Turkey, but at the same time, Turkey won't be able to buy cheap land from the GCs either. Instead, it can be bought by the RoC just so to ensure there is pleanty of GC owned land in the north in order to make the claim true, that the north is occupied by Turkey and that most of the land in the north belongs to the GCs.

You are truly clever I think you should tell them to do so... I can't see a downside at all....

oh.... except for ... You know what you figure that out yourself.

I don't know what you are on about, DTA.?

By the way, how is that BBF Power sharing thread that I put together which Bir had asked you so nicely to read coming along.??

I read it, its seems that you put some time and effort in to it, and there could be some merit in what you wrote, but this merit would depend on where your so called 'TC zones' are located, total Tc population figures in reference to the so called 'settlers', population and economic safe guards and sustainabilty of the so called TC zones and much more.

Just for your information, I hated your condesending tone at the start of that thread.

[erolz3]

You created all the human rights violations which we are now trying to solve.

Yeah because the interior minister sending a band of ethnic armed paramilitary thugs to my uncles place of work to murder him with impunity from ever having to face prosecution for such acts was no violation of anyones human rights was, for he was only a TC !

But we will not solve them your way.

No you will not accept the solutions of the ECHR because you do nto want fair and just settlement. You want much more than that.

You don't allow the GCs to freely enjoy their properties and you are trying to force them to sell them to you!! This is a forced sale. Republic of Cyprus should protect its citizens from the Turkish invaders.

GC who have had their property in the North return to them are free to come and use it as they wish. If they are stopped the ECHR will see that they are compensated for their loss of this right and it is stopped in the future for others. You remember the ECHR dont you ?

[Solveit]

Sotos, thick or what.

The GC goes to IPC, they offer exchange for TC land and he is happy.... with us so far?

The TC owner of said land is happy too.. still with me?

The ROC land registry then MUST ACTION THE TRANSFER OF TITLE for the TC land in the ROC.. get it.

The land registry IS NOT the owner of the land, just the administrative authority that registers titles whenever they change hands between owners. SIMPLE.

[Solveit]

Did you not read this part in the ECHR ruling?

DID YOU??? If you did you clearly did not understand it

[Sotos]

You created all the human rights violations which we are now trying to solve.

Yeah because the interior minister sending a band of ethnic armed paramilitary thugs to my uncles place of work to murder him with impunity from ever having to face prosecution for such acts was no violation of anyones human rights was, for he was only a TC !

And my uncle and 15 and a half year old cousin were murdered by TCs for no other reason that he was a GC. They were abused when going to Nicosia by TC terrorists like you. I don't like to use personal stories but since you started ...

But we will not solve them your way.

No you will not accept the solutions of the ECHR because you do nto want fair and just settlement. You want much more than that.

What is fair is for the liberation of Cyprus from Turkish occupation but you violate UN resolutions and you continue to occupy our country illegally.

You don't allow the GCs to freely enjoy their properties and you are trying to force them to sell them to you!! This is a forced sale. Republic of Cyprus should protect its citizens from the Turkish invaders.

GC who have had their property in the North return to them are free to come and use it as they wish. If they are stopped the ECHR will see that they are compensated for their loss of this right and it is stopped in the future for others. You remember the ECHR dont you ?

The ECHR is not the one who is illegally occupying our country violating our human rights. It is you invading Turks that do!! Now you want to force us to sell them to you at cheap prices by not allowing us to freely enjoy them!

[Sotos]

Did you not read this part in the ECHR ruling?

DID YOU??? If you did you clearly did not understand it

I did read it and it says that your occupation of north Cyprus is illegal. Did you read the laws of Republic of Cyprus?

[PushDaddy]

A Great victory for the TRNC in the European courts. On the 1st of March 2010 the European Court of Human Rights (ECHR) accepted that the ‘Independent Property Commission’ (IPC) set up by Turkey and TRNC in 2005 is able to provide an effective solution for Greek Cypriots to either to be repatriated with their land or alternatively receive compensation should the land be occupied.



Greek Cypriots (GC) have consistently tried to disregard the IPC board claiming it is biased and does not provide an effective solution to the land issues in Cyprus. Hence a court action was lodged with the ECHR against Turkey by 8 Greek Cypriot applicants who upheld that they had been prevented from enjoying their property following the invasion and that there was no effective remedy in respect of their rights. The chamber hearing was held in November 2009.

My heart bleeds for all the Ex-British-Born-Again- Greek-Cypriots who have insulted and verbally abused British buyers in the North !
Unless you owned land in the North ( thats the North of Cyprus ,now the TRNC not Northern England!) this dispute has nothing to do with you.It is for Cypriots to decide. And no my property is not on GC owned land so therefore I have done nothing wrong, morally or legally. Hope you can say the same about your land in the South !!!

PIG and proud of it !

Pride Integrity Guts Staying !!!

Oink Oink !!

The Greek Cypriot government have made it difficult for their citizens to apply to the board for compensation, essentially condemning them for doing so. In essence it was felt this would undermine their argument that there is an effective solution for land issues in the Northern Cyprus. TRNC and Turkey however have been pushing for the ECHR to accept the IPC as an effective solution to the land issue. So far 433 cases have been filed with the IPC of these 85 cases have been concluded, the vast majority by means of friendly settlement. In more than 70 cases, compensation had been awarded and some 361,493m2 of land had been returned and approximately 47 million Euros in compensation paid.



After reviewing the evidence the decision was made by the Grand Chamber of the ECHR that the IPC did provide an effective framework for the remedy of existing land issues. They did not find the board subjective or find that the sums awarded by the IPC fell short of being reasonable. The Court also stressed that this ruling should not to be interpreted as an obligation to make use of the IPC and that refugees could choose to wait for a comprehensive political solution. However, if applicants wished to lodge an application before the ECHR, its admissibility would be decided in line with the principles laid out in today's ruling - essentially, all local remedies including the IPC in North Cyprus, must have been exhausted first before application to the EU courts. This is a major coup for TRNC as there is now have an effective remedy which has been ratified by the ECHR for Greek Cypriot complaints regarding land issues. In addition home owners concerned about their deeds in TRNC can now feel comforted in the knowledge that there is an effective body to deal with any claims against their property. It is now widely expected that the 1400 cases which are pending with the ECHR will be referred to the IPC .



To read the full ECHR decision go to: http://www.echr.coe.int

[PushDaddy]

And why are you all calling yourself professor,instructor, VIP ?????

Cant you just be who you are ?

I am a Lecturer and have qualifications from a Uk University.

Bloody well earn the title like I had to !!!!!