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You can assign rights to property which can later be registered, legallys there nothing the land registry office can do as long as there is a binding contract between the seller and buyer.

[erolz3]

One thing the RoC can do if they wish to do so, is to buy the GCs land in the north directly from the GCs who may want to sell it to Turkey with the IPC. If the IPC is offering today's depressed land prices in the north to the GCs, then the RoC can offer them 10% premium of the IPC's offer and buy the land themselves. The only reason the GCs would go to the IPC is either to get their land back or to get money from Turkey for not being able to use their land. As for selling it, why not sell it to the RoC or to any other GC in the RoC. I would think a move like this would put the IPC out of business in a hurry.

Firstly there are GC who wanted restitution of their property, wnet to the IPC and got it. Sure for those that want compensation in cash money then an offer from the RoC to pay them more for it than the market rate the IPC will give them is attractive, though they do not get any money for compensation for loss of use via this route. If that were to happend it would not worry the IPC , or Turkey for that matter one bit for the IPC is not a 'business'. Its function is to provide a local means of redress so that Turkey is deemed to have met the conditions of the judgments gainst it at the ECHR. As long as that means exists it serves its purpose if people choose to use that means or not. If they choose not to its certainly cheaper for Turkey.

[Kikapu]

A GC goes to the IPC. He agrees a sum in cash for denial of use of his property and he agrees and exchange of property for the property itself, with him forgoing his property in the North and takin instead some in the South.

And why should this GC go to the Turkish “IPC” to facilitate Turkey’s partition?

It has already happend. This is a real example. The plain and simple truth is if the RoC were to stop this perosn enjoying their use of the property in the south that the IPC awarded them (and that includes selling it) then they will simply end up in front of the ECHR and loose.

Erol, does the IPC have a direct authority from the TC owner of his land in the south to be given to a GC without the TC owner signing the sale of his land himself with the Land Registry in the RoC. How does the RoC know that the TC is selling his land on his own free will and not at the point of a gun to his head.?? Or is it the case of the "trnc" that does not exist according to the ECHR has the TCs deeds for his land in the south for the illegal exchange that was made for the GC land in the north is who is giving the TCs land to the GC and not the TC owner himself.??

[Sotos]

Erol you don't know what the hell you are talking about. There are rules and laws of what you can sell, to whom you can sell, how much you can sell and what procedure you have to follow in order to make the sale. This is the case in all real countries like Cyprus. Maybe you don't know this because you live in some pseudo state. So I don't blame you.

Yes there are rules and regulations for registering a sale. However these can not be used to stop people from doing what they wish with their property for some political agenda. To use them in that way would be to use them to deny indivduals rights to do with their property as they wish.

As for your jibes about not knowing about rules and regulations for registering and buying and selling property, I was born in the UK and lived there for 35+ years. I know very well how a real country handles property sales and I know how the RoC handles them, with the 100,000s of properties sold without deeds being issued yet to people 10s of years after the sale. I know of the people in the legitimate RoC who bought property only to find it mortgaged by the developer and builder. I would not get on your high horse about how 'real countires' handle property sales because the RoC mess is nothing to be shouting about and thats before yopu even look at disputed property as a result of 74.

You know why those people didn't get their title deeds? Because some Property Developers didn't do everything according to the laws and rules of Cyprus. So you gave a real example of what happens when the laws are not followed. No title deed! Maybe in Cyprus we have a problem with dishonest Property Developers but the Land Registry is following the laws to the letter.

[Viewpoint]

A GC goes to the IPC. He agrees a sum in cash for denial of use of his property and he agrees and exchange of property for the property itself, with him forgoing his property in the North and takin instead some in the South.

And why should this GC go to the Turkish “IPC” to facilitate Turkey’s partition?

It has already happend. This is a real example. The plain and simple truth is if the RoC were to stop this perosn enjoying their use of the property in the south that the IPC awarded them (and that includes selling it) then they will simply end up in front of the ECHR and loose.

Erol, does the IPC have a direct authority from the TC owner of his land in the south to be given to a GC without the TC owner signing the sale of his land himself with the Land Registry in the RoC. How does the RoC know that the TC is selling his land on his own free will and not at the point of a gun to his head.?? Or is it the case of the "trnc" that does not exist according to the ECHR has the TCs deeds for his land in the south for the illegal exchange that was made for the GC land in the north is who is giving the TCs land to the GC and not the TC owner himself.??

Legal experts have devised a way of getting owners to sign over their rights to the property in question. These documents cannot be contested by the south at a latter stage as all parties are in full agreement to the transaction.

[Kikapu]

A GC goes to the IPC. He agrees a sum in cash for denial of use of his property and he agrees and exchange of property for the property itself, with him forgoing his property in the North and takin instead some in the South.

And why should this GC go to the Turkish “IPC” to facilitate Turkey’s partition?

It has already happend. This is a real example. The plain and simple truth is if the RoC were to stop this perosn enjoying their use of the property in the south that the IPC awarded them (and that includes selling it) then they will simply end up in front of the ECHR and loose.

Erol, does the IPC have a direct authority from the TC owner of his land in the south to be given to a GC without the TC owner signing the sale of his land himself with the Land Registry in the RoC. How does the RoC know that the TC is selling his land on his own free will and not at the point of a gun to his head.?? Or is it the case of the "trnc" that does not exist according to the ECHR has the TCs deeds for his land in the south for the illegal exchange that was made for the GC land in the north is who is giving the TCs land to the GC and not the TC owner himself.??

Legal experts have devised a way of getting owners to sign over their rights to the property in question. These documents cannot be contested by the south at a latter stage as all parties are in full agreement to the transaction.

They may be "legal" in the "trnc", which does not exists as far as the ECHR and the RoC is concerned, so why would such agreements be recognised by the RoC at later date..?? What if they tell you, "sorry pal, but these agreements does not meet the RoC's regulations and rules". Then what.?

[B25]

A GC goes to the IPC. He agrees a sum in cash for denial of use of his property and he agrees and exchange of property for the property itself, with him forgoing his property in the North and takin instead some in the South.

And why should this GC go to the Turkish “IPC” to facilitate Turkey’s partition?

It has already happend. This is a real example. The plain and simple truth is if the RoC were to stop this perosn enjoying their use of the property in the south that the IPC awarded them (and that includes selling it) then they will simply end up in front of the ECHR and loose.

Err, how many times has turkey been before the ECHR????? How much notice did she take of all the rulings???

Yes you got it, jack shit, so why should the RoC care or even be worried. We will just site that we will obey when the turks obey theirs.

Looks like this decision is not as clear cut after all and if the spineless RoC government were to get their finger out of their missis arse and do something about it we may all just be ok.

Dream on buddy.

[Viewpoint]

A GC goes to the IPC. He agrees a sum in cash for denial of use of his property and he agrees and exchange of property for the property itself, with him forgoing his property in the North and takin instead some in the South.

And why should this GC go to the Turkish “IPC” to facilitate Turkey’s partition?

It has already happend. This is a real example. The plain and simple truth is if the RoC were to stop this perosn enjoying their use of the property in the south that the IPC awarded them (and that includes selling it) then they will simply end up in front of the ECHR and loose.

Erol, does the IPC have a direct authority from the TC owner of his land in the south to be given to a GC without the TC owner signing the sale of his land himself with the Land Registry in the RoC. How does the RoC know that the TC is selling his land on his own free will and not at the point of a gun to his head.?? Or is it the case of the "trnc" that does not exist according to the ECHR has the TCs deeds for his land in the south for the illegal exchange that was made for the GC land in the north is who is giving the TCs land to the GC and not the TC owner himself.??

Legal experts have devised a way of getting owners to sign over their rights to the property in question. These documents cannot be contested by the south at a latter stage as all parties are in full agreement to the transaction.

They may be "legal" with and in the "trnc", which does not exists as far as the ECHR and the RoC is concerned, so why would such agreements be recognised by the RoC at later date..?? What if they tell you, "sorry pal, but these agreements does not meet the RoC's regulations and rules". Then what.?

Man you obvioulsy have no confidence these are international experts who contributed to the documentation people sign at the IPC, once lodged with the south they will not be able to refuse them. Please also consider all the buying and selling of land that has gone on in the TRNC over the past 36 years, so you think they will all be null and void? No the transactions especially on undiputed land will have to be accepted into the overall system if ever a solution is found.

[B25]

A GC goes to the IPC. He agrees a sum in cash for denial of use of his property and he agrees and exchange of property for the property itself, with him forgoing his property in the North and takin instead some in the South.

And why should this GC go to the Turkish “IPC” to facilitate Turkey’s partition?

It has already happend. This is a real example. The plain and simple truth is if the RoC were to stop this perosn enjoying their use of the property in the south that the IPC awarded them (and that includes selling it) then they will simply end up in front of the ECHR and loose.

Erol, does the IPC have a direct authority from the TC owner of his land in the south to be given to a GC without the TC owner signing the sale of his land himself with the Land Registry in the RoC. How does the RoC know that the TC is selling his land on his own free will and not at the point of a gun to his head.?? Or is it the case of the "trnc" that does not exist according to the ECHR has the TCs deeds for his land in the south for the illegal exchange that was made for the GC land in the north is who is giving the TCs land to the GC and not the TC owner himself.??

Legal experts have devised a way of getting owners to sign over their rights to the property in question. These documents cannot be contested by the south at a latter stage as all parties are in full agreement to the transaction.

They may be "legal" with and in the "trnc", which does not exists as far as the ECHR and the RoC is concerned, so why would such agreements be recognised by the RoC at later date..?? What if they tell you, "sorry pal, but these agreements does not meet the RoC's regulations and rules". Then what.?

Man you obvioulsy have no confidence these are international experts who contributed to the documentation people sign at the IPC, once lodged with the south they will not be able to refuse them. Please also consider all the buying and selling of land that has gone on in the TRNC over the past 36 years, so you think they will all be null and void? No the transactions especially on undiputed land will have to be accepted into the overall system if ever a solution is found.

OK heres one for you. When the ECJ ruled against the orams, what did the trashcan do, immediately passed a law to arrest anyone going over to issue writs to the carpetbaggers, right.

Si we should also pass a law arresting persons who go to the IPC and then come to the LR with papers in an attampt to register the sale.

Is that fair, goose and gander spring to mind??? Answer me, what do you think??

[Acikgoz]

B25, nothing could be more convenient for Turkey/TRNC if the responsibility for obstruction of individuals attaining restitution of their property rights was move to the GC govt. Suddenly 1,400 problems disappear.