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[Malapapa]

You can not refuse to recognise and register a transaction that has the willing consent of all parties involved just because you do not like the transaction.

Can someone answer my question above? Has the Cypriot Land Registry recognised previous transactions made by Turkey through its IPC on Cyprus? There have been a number already. Have they all been declared null and void?

[Sotos]

The only authority which can make any land transaction official in Cyprus is the Land Registry of the Republic of Cyprus. If Republic of Cyprus does not recognize those transactions then they are null and void.

This is total nonsense. The only thing that would be achieved by the RoC refusing to recognise these transactions is that it will end up in front of the ECHR be told that it has to recognise them and pay compensation to those it refused to recognised the transaction for. The RoC knows this.

You can pass any laws you like, but if you deny indivduals human rights you will end up at the ECHR and lose. You can not refuse to recognise and register a transaction that has the willing consent of all parties involved just because you do not like the transaction.

The rights of no human will be refused. Such transactions can not be approved by the Land Registry so if Turkey gives money to our refugee those money will count only as compensation for the loss of use of the property of our refugee and the refugee will still keep his property. So whose human rights are violated? Nobodies. So how can the ECHR deal with something that does not involve Human Rights violation?

[Sotos]

You can not refuse to recognise and register a transaction that has the willing consent of all parties involved just because you do not like the transaction.

Can someone answer my question above? Has the Cypriot Land Registry recognised previous transactions made by Turkey through its IPC on Cyprus? There have been a number already. Have they all been declared null and void?

I am not sure but each case is a separate case for the Land Registry. Also the laws that govern the land registry can be amended at any point accordingly.

[B25]

I know a few people in the Ammochostos LR, since alot of the properties may come from that district, I will put a word in their ear. perhaps a fire, flood in the room full of these applications for transfer. There are many ways to skin a cat. the Turks think they have it sewn up, think again, the dawn of a new era has arisen.

Now I am feeling much better

[erolz3]

The only authority which can make any land transaction official in Cyprus is the Land Registry of the Republic of Cyprus. If Republic of Cyprus does not recognize those transactions then they are null and void.

This is total nonsense. The only thing that would be achieved by the RoC refusing to recognise these transactions is that it will end up in front of the ECHR be told that it has to recognise them and pay compensation to those it refused to recognised the transaction for. The RoC knows this.

You can pass any laws you like, but if you deny indivduals human rights you will end up at the ECHR and lose. You can not refuse to recognise and register a transaction that has the willing consent of all parties involved just because you do not like the transaction.

The rights of no human will be refused. Such transactions can not be approved by the Land Registry so if Turkey gives money to our refugee those money will count only as compensation for the loss of use of the property of our refugee and the refugee will still keep his property. So whose human rights are violated? Nobodies. So how can the ECHR deal with something that does not involve Human Rights violation?

Are you sane? If you refuse to let me sell what is mine for political reasons, by declaring the sale 'null and void' because you refused to register that sale, of course you are denying me my rights. The RoC knows this even if you do not. It knows that under its laws only it can reassign ownership of TC property in the North just as it knows these laws would not stand any challenge to them in the ECHR. To deny my the ability to sell what is mine ,whatever the mechanism of denial is, is an infringment of my human rights.

[erolz3]

You can not refuse to recognise and register a transaction that has the willing consent of all parties involved just because you do not like the transaction.

Can someone answer my question above? Has the Cypriot Land Registry recognised previous transactions made by Turkey through its IPC on Cyprus? There have been a number already. Have they all been declared null and void?

I do not know if the cypriot land registry has recognised these sales or not. What I do know is that they remain legal and that if the land registry or any other body seeks to use any mechaism to deny those who have taken land in exchange from the IPC for that which they lost from being to do with that land as they freely wish, including selling it, then that body will face the ECHR and be found to be infringing that persons rights.

The RoC can not place unfair requirments on TC that seek to gain their own land, even though these requirments are within RoC law. The RoC can not stop TC doing with their own land what they wish including selling it, even though the RoC law says onlyt the property guardian can allow such a sale and not the property owner. These laws are meaningless in as far as they deny peoples rights. So to is 'refusing to recognise' a sale that the ECHR has itself deemed as legal a denail of that persons rights.

[erolz3]

I am not sure but each case is a separate case for the Land Registry. Also the laws that govern the land registry can be amended at any point accordingly.

Are you serious ? lol

The ECHR deems a sale a legal and fair means of redress for loss of a GC and yopu think you can just cahange the law in the RoC to make this sale 'illegal' and the ECHR will see that as compatible with the human rights of the person who sold ???

Unblievable. !

Talk about 'abuse of power' of being the sole legitimate governement ! Hey it dont matter what those dirty Turks do, we can just make any laws we like with no regard for anyones rights to stick it to em and the ECHR so everything is fine.

And you wonder why we are so concerned about political equality in a future settlement ?

[Get Real!]

Are you sane? If you refuse to let me sell what is mine for political reasons, by declaring the sale 'null and void' because you refused to register that sale, of course you are denying me my rights. The RoC knows this even if you do not. It knows that under its laws only it can reassign ownership of TC property in the North just as it knows these laws would not stand any challenge to them in the ECHR. To deny my the ability to sell what is mine ,whatever the mechanism of denial is, is an infringment of my human rights.

Such a sale could NOT have been declared “null & void” if approval for that sale was rejected in the first place!

Erol, you’ve started to go really funny lately… it seems that you’re under the impression that citizens are above governments but they’re not!

I’ll remind you that governments the world around have expropriation laws even, stripping a citizen of their land/property at will in return for a sum of money, so what chance does a citizen have of selling real estate without their approval?

[Get Real!]

The RoC can not place unfair requirments on TC that seek to gain their own land, even though these requirments are within RoC law.

You're getting funnier by the post...

You are quite happy when Turkey places restrictions for the last 35 years on Greek Cypriot refugees accessing their property, but not so the other way round?

You know this latest ECHR decision may well end up teaching “Turkish Cypriots“ the greatest lesson they’ve ever had!

[Vincehugo]

The RoC can not place unfair requirments on TC that seek to gain their own land, even though these requirments are within RoC law.

You're getting funnier by the post...

You are quite happy when Turkey places restrictions for the last 35 years on Greek Cypriot refugees accessing their property, but not so the other way round?

You know this latest ECHR decision may well end up teaching “Turkish Cypriots“ the greatest lesson they’ve ever had!

It's most definitely you who is getting funnier. Wake up and smell the (Turkish) coffee.

How accessible have TC properties in the South been for the last 35 years?

And what is this great lesson the TC's will be taught?