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[Malapapa]

The only authority which can make any land transaction official in Cyprus is the Land Registry of the Republic of Cyprus. If Republic of Cyprus does not recognize those transactions then they are null and void.

Hi Soto, do you know whether the Land Registry has recognised previous transactions made by Turkey through its IPC on Cyprus? There have been quite a few already. Are they all null and void?

[Sotos]

Here is what the Attorney General said:

ενώ σε ερώτηση για το τι θα γίνει σε περιπτώσεις ανταλλαγών περιουσιών (πέραν εκείνης του Τύμβιου) είπε πως αν η Δημοκρατία δεν τις υιοθετήσει τότε το θέμα θα μπορεί να εγερθεί από την Τουρκία στο ΣτΕ.

Basically if RoC does not approve the transactions the case could go to CoE. But in the end of the day none can force Republic of Cyprus to approve any transactions since Republic of Cyprus has sovereignty over the whole Cyprus. The only thing that Turkey can do legally without the approval of RoC is to offer compensation for the loss of use. Any land transaction in Cyprus such as sale or exchange needs to be approved by the Land Registry of Cyprus in order to become legal and official.

[B25]

Here is what the Attorney General said:

ενώ σε ερώτηση για το τι θα γίνει σε περιπτώσεις ανταλλαγών περιουσιών (πέραν εκείνης του Τύμβιου) είπε πως αν η Δημοκρατία δεν τις υιοθετήσει τότε το θέμα θα μπορεί να εγερθεί από την Τουρκία στο ΣτΕ.

Basically if RoC does not approve the transactions the case could go to CoE. But in the end of the day none can force Republic of Cyprus to approve any transactions since Republic of Cyprus has sovereignty over the whole Cyprus. The only thing that Turkey can do legally without the approval of RoC is to offer compensation for the loss of use. Any land transaction in Cyprus such as sale or exchange needs to be approved by the Land Registry of Cyprus in order to become legal and official.

Bravo, now I will begin petitioning the Land registry not to accept these cases from the IPC. We shall see how far they will go before the ECHR realises that it has well and truly fucked up.

Thanks soto, you made my day.

[Acikgoz]

Mopy, of course this is a step that is in the best interests of Cypriots. This is a step towards a settlement, either a BBF or partition, our only two options.

If there is a contractual agreement made in accordance with the ECHR, who are you spoliers Mopy, Gropy and Soapy that you are going to try and overturn. Do you not think a persons property rights would be protected by denying them sale of said property if that is their choice?!

[Sotos]

Mopy, of course this is a step that is in the best interests of Cypriots. This is a step towards a settlement, either a BBF or partition, our only two options.

If there is a contractual agreement made in accordance with the ECHR, who are you spoliers Mopy, Gropy and Soapy that you are going to try and overturn. Do you not think a persons property rights would be protected by denying them sale of said property if that is their choice?!

Any such sale would be made under conditions created illegally by the invader which deprive the refugee from the ability to freely enjoy his property and therefore forcing him to sell it off. The Republic of Cyprus will not accept such transaction. Turkey could pay money to the refugee but that money will count only as compensation for the loss of use while any other agreement that the refugee was forced to make, such as to give up his property, will be invalid and not be approved by the Republic of Cyprus.

[Sotos]

This is a step towards a settlement, either a BBF or partition, our only two options.

The only option is the liberation of Cyprus from the Turkish invaders.

[Malapapa]

Mopy, of course this is a step that is in the best interests of Cypriots. This is a step towards a settlement, either a BBF or partition, our only two options.

If there is a contractual agreement made in accordance with the ECHR, who are you spoliers Mopy, Gropy and Soapy that you are going to try and overturn. Do you not think a persons property rights would be protected by denying them sale of said property if that is their choice?!

Not sure who you're referring to but I think this post means you must be Dopey...

[Acikgoz]

I love Dopey, thanks for the pic.

Soapy, are you 12 years old? Just because the RoC is recognised, does not mean it can halt mutually agreed legally enforceable contracts in the EU courts.

[erolz3]

The only authority which can make any land transaction official in Cyprus is the Land Registry of the Republic of Cyprus. If Republic of Cyprus does not recognize those transactions then they are null and void.

This is total nonsense. The only thing that would be achieved by the RoC refusing to recognise these transactions is that it will end up in front of the ECHR be told that it has to recognise them and pay compensation to those it refused to recognised the transaction for. The RoC knows this.

You can pass any laws you like, but if you deny indivduals human rights you will end up at the ECHR and lose. You can not refuse to recognise and register a transaction that has the willing consent of all parties involved just because you do not like the transaction.

[erolz3]

I'll ask again. Do you believe judgements will be made in the interests of Cyprus and its citizens (including, ultimately, TCs who also have property claims in the south) or Turkey and its interests; esp. where human rights interests of say settlers can be shown to conflict with those of legitimate Cypriot citizens? Or where Turkey deems there is a security issue, pertaining to its army parked in the north?

I believe the determinations made by the IPC will be fair just and legaly valid and if they are not the ECHR will rectify things until they are. As such I think the IPC is good for GC who lost property and good for Cyprus and Cypriots as a whole.

As I have already said I do not care WHO makes the determinations, as long as they are fair and the ECHR acts as final arbiter of that. Mikey Mouse can make them for all I care. The important thing is that cypriots have a means of redress for their losses - that is good for Cyprus. This is the case re GC property and sooner or later the RoC will be forced to make it the case for TC who lost property. When that happens I will not scream and wail about who makes the determinations from your side if the ECHR has given its blessing to that body.