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[Malapapa]

Oracle, Get Real, Mala,

Why do you insist on ignoring the obvious - how will RoC compensate Turkish Cypriot claims?

Why do you insist on ignoring what I write?

I suggest Turkey (and the other two so-called guarantors; plus US, UN, EU and NATO countries - all supposedly desperate for a settlement) pay into a refugee compensation fund to meet all such property claims and help bring about such a settlement.

Where is the evidence of the funds to be made available for TCs for land usurped since the 60s!

What are guarantors for, if not to put up funds when things go wrong?

[Malapapa]

Read the ECHR ruling on the IPC. Its all there in black and white. There can be no blanket return of all property to all who want such. Return of property or not depends on the status of a given property. If return will cause new undue hardships then compensation and only compensation is a valid legal and justified means of redress. This is what the ECHR has said.

And the ECHR has given the green light to Turkey, who it acknowledges to be the illegal occupier, to decide on this; Turkey, who since 1974 has clearly embarked on a policy of ethnic cleansing and Turkification of the north, including bringing in its own citizens to settle there by the tens of thousands in breach of international law. Are you in any doubt that it has decided and will continue to decide in favour of its own citizens, rather than in favour of Cypriot citizens?

[vaughanwilliams]

The Court maintained its view that pending resolution of the illegal occupation of northern Cyprus, it was crucial that individuals nonetheless continued to receive protection of their rights on a daily basis.

Even if the applicants did not live as such under the control of the “TRNC”, if there was an effective remedy available for their complaints there, the rule of exhaustion applied. This did not put in doubt the fact that the government of the Republic of Cyprus remained the sole legitimate government of Cyprus. The Court reiterated that an appropriate domestic body, with access to the relevant information, was clearly the more appropriate forum for deciding on complex matters of property ownership and valuation and assessing financial compensation, notwithstanding the time and efforts required from the applicants to exhaust domestic remedies.

No one has been able to answer my question at the beginning of this thread.

What is to stop the sole legitimate government of the whole of Cyprus to declare the IPC invalid as an appropriate domestic body, pending approval of the IPCs individual members, policies, procedures, terms of reference and principles by which it awards compensation and/or restitution. Approval could then be made by, say, the Cypriot attorney general, in consultation with the President and leader of the TC community.

Perhaps an island wide IPC could then be set up, to which all displaced Cypriots can apply and where the principles are consistent for all the island. The invader will be removed from the equation (beyond of course paying for the damage it has caused, together with commensurate contributions from the other two guarantor powers who let Cyprus down).

If the roc set up such a body I would agree with you. However if you think they would like to then you are far more naive than I thought possible. They would like it all to go through the roc courts which is in their hands, but allas the EU has finally seen the light and the little games played down south.

No the courts are not in the government hands. But the terms of an island wide IPC, administering all property cases and claims could be administered by the Cypriot attorney general and the terms of reference approved by the president and the TC leader (but not Turkey which would be acting in its own interest but not the Cypriot people, especially not the island's displaced people, north and south).

Stop kidding yoursel. You really should not believe your own propaganda. If the courts are not controlled by the government, how is it that they block all the TC courtcases and tell them to wait for the settlement, whilst they progress the GC cases to EU courts. Please will you stop being so childish.

This is a chance to change all that. An island wide IPC.

It's not a bad idea at all.
My only question is: Why has it taken until now for you to suggest it?
Can it be you now feel the advantage you had and were happy to use, slipping away?

[Malapapa]

This is a chance to change all that. An island wide IPC.

It's not a bad idea at all.
My only question is: Why has it taken until now for you to suggest it?
Can it be you now feel the advantage you had and were happy to use, slipping away?

What advantage exactly? There are hundreds of thousands of Cypriots who have been prevented from enjoying their homes for decades after the events of 1974. I don't see that as an advantage. Many have carpetbaggers like you living in their homes who can still be pursued for trespass; and quite rightly too.

Meanwhile, however, Cypriots must ensure that a local property commission puts Cypriot citizens first when deciding on compensation and resitution, not foreign settlers - especially not those from so-called guarantor powers Turkey and Britain.

This is in the best interests of all Cypriots - who all stand to lose otherwise.

[vaughanwilliams]

This is a chance to change all that. An island wide IPC.

It's not a bad idea at all.
My only question is: Why has it taken until now for you to suggest it?
Can it be you now feel the advantage you had and were happy to use, slipping away?

What advantage exactly? There are hundreds of thousands of Cypriots who have been prevented from enjoying their homes for decades after the events of 1974. I don't see that as an advantage. Many have carpetbaggers like you living in their homes who can still be pursued for trespass; and quite rightly too.

Meanwhile, however, Cypriots must ensure that a local property commission puts Cypriot citizens first when deciding on compensation and resitution, not foreign settlers - especially not those from so-called guarantor powers Turkey and Britain.

This is in the best interests of all Cypriots - who all stand to lose otherwise.

A typical dogmatic answer and one that avoids the question - why has it taken you until now to suggest it?
You obviously saw some advantage in the the status quo and are only now suggesting a "Cypriot" IPC as a desperate last throw at holding on to some semblence of control.

[Malapapa]

This is a chance to change all that. An island wide IPC.

It's not a bad idea at all.
My only question is: Why has it taken until now for you to suggest it?
Can it be you now feel the advantage you had and were happy to use, slipping away?

What advantage exactly? There are hundreds of thousands of Cypriots who have been prevented from enjoying their homes for decades after theevents of 1974. I don't see that as an advantage. Many have carpetbaggers like you living in their homes who can still be pursued for trespass; and quite rightly too.

Meanwhile, however, Cypriots must ensure that a local property commission puts Cypriot citizens first when deciding on compensation and resitution, not foreign settlers - especially not those from so-called guarantor powers Turkey and Britain.

This is in the best interests of all Cypriots - who all stand to lose otherwise.

A typical dogmatic answer and one that avoids the question - why has it taken you until now to suggest it?

Events dear boy, events.

You obviously saw some advantage in the the status quo

Don't judge me by your immoral standards. You bought stolen property on the cheap because you sought to take advantage of the status quo.

and are only now suggesting a "Cypriot" IPC as a desperate last throw at holding on to some semblence of control.

I don't see any advantage in a status quo that prevents justice in Cyprus and properties being restored to their rightful owners; as you do. I am trying to turn an unfortunate, though perhaps inevitable decision of the ECHR into something that puts Cypriot citizens, rather than Turkey, first. And I'm pretty sure it's what the ECHR would want (reading between the lines).

[SKI-preo]

Does anyone have a link to profiles of the members of the "IPC" bench? Is every single "judge" a brainwashed Turk/Turkish Cypriot?

What is their background? Is there a legitimate judiciary or are political hack appointments told by the Turkish Army to avoid grants of Restitution?

Cyprus Settlement= Restitution or Napalm.

[B25]

Does anyone have a link to profiles of the members of the "IPC" bench? Is every single "judge" a brainwashed Turk/Turkish Cypriot?

What is their background? Is there a legitimate judiciary or are political hack appointments told by the Turkish Army to avoid grants of Restitution?

Cyprus Settlement= Restitution or Napalm.

SKI, its ok, when the ECJ made its ruling we were slated for bias because if a single Greek judge. Now what are they going to say when the whole panel is made up of F turks???

Seems what good for the goose is not for the gander.

Typical Turkish shit yet again. I re-iterate those ECHR judges have opened a hornets nest and if the spineless RoC government cannot see and act on this then they also need shooting.

The invader becomes the judge, jury and executioner, whatever next??

[halil]

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