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[erolz3]

You'll have to clarify this Erol with examples because I can't imagine how someone has had their property "returned" in the occupied territory!

You can lol all you like but the fact remain the same. You can goto the IPC website and see exactly where restituion has been the agrred settlement in cases to date just as you can see where comensation in money or exchange land has been. Its all there and publicaly viewable.

And what's all this about "categories"??? You have much to disclose here Erol!

Read the ECHR ruling on the IPC. Its all there in black and white. There can be no blanket return of all property to all who want such. Return of property or not depends on the status of a given property. If return will cause new undue hardships then compensation and only compensation is a valid legal and justified means of redress. This is what the ECHR has said.

It’s most entertaining that Turkey has illegally invaded and occupied 37% of Cyprus and here we are today listening to “Turkish Cypriots” blaming Cyprus of invading and occupying Cyprus!

It actually has nothing to do with if you are an 'occupying power' or a 'legitimate government'. Whatever you are the ECHR is concerned with the denial of peoples human rights. Neither an 'occupying power' or a 'legitimate government' can denies peoples rights to their property. The RoC has been doing this just as Turkey has and the ECHR is concerned with the denail of the indviduals rights and not what the status of the 'deniee' may be.

[Get Real!]

You'll have to clarify this Erol with examples because I can't imagine how someone has had their property "returned" in the occupied territory!

You can lol all you like but the fact remain the same. You can goto the IPC website and see exactly where restituion has been the agrred settlement in cases to date just as you can see where comensation in money or exchange land has been. Its all there and publicaly viewable.

And what's all this about "categories"??? You have much to disclose here Erol!

Read the ECHR ruling on the IPC. Its all there in black and white. There can be no blanket return of all property to all who want such. Return of property or not depends on the status of a given property. If return will cause new undue hardships then compensation and only compensation is a valid legal and justified means of redress. This is what the ECHR has said.

It’s most entertaining that Turkey has illegally invaded and occupied 37% of Cyprus and here we are today listening to “Turkish Cypriots” blaming Cyprus of invading and occupying Cyprus!

It actually has nothing to do with if you are an 'occupying power' or a 'legitimate government'. Whatever you are the ECHR is concerned with the denial of peoples human rights. Neither an 'occupying power' or a 'legitimate government' can denies peoples rights to their property. The RoC has been doing this just as Turkey has and the ECHR is concerned with the denail of the indviduals rights and not what the status of the 'deniee' may be.

Why don’t you give us a link to this website and direct us to the exact location where it claims that a Greek Cypriot has had their property "returned" in the occupied territory!

Actually, this is worthy of a dedicated thread don't you think?

[erolz3]

Why don’t you give us a link to this website and direct us to the exact location where it claims that a Greek Cypriot has had their property "returned" in the occupied territory!

Actually, this is worthy of a dedicated thread don't you think?

Its not that hard to find but for you GR

http://www.kuzeykibristmk.org/english/istatistik.html

[boulio]

not much of return of land heavily compensation and at what price and many withdrawls

[Piratis]

These “mechanisms” you talk about are only good for those who no longer care about owning their property and just want to sell it and cash in!

This is just not true GR. The IPC can and has returned property where it can under its terms of operation. If your property is of a category that can be returned than the IPC will return it. If it is not in that category not only will the IPC not return it but neither will the ECHR.

This is an absurd conclusion. If this was the case then there wouldn't be a need for a ECHR, since all cases could be settled fairly at the local level.

Turkey is one of the countries with the most convictions at the ECHR (even for cases not related to Cyprus), something which clearly shows that the Turkish courts are not able to offer justice even to their own citizens, let alone to do this to their hated enemies.

Furthermore, when Cyprus is liberated neither the "IPC" nor ECHR will be needed to decide what can be returned and what can not. And until that happens our refugees can be compensated for the loss of use of their properties by suing TCs and foreigners for trespass in the courts of Cyprus.

[aussieturk]

Furthermore, when Cyprus is liberated neither the "IPC" nor ECHR will be needed to decide what can be returned and what can not. And until that happens our refugees can be compensated for the loss of use of their properties by suing TCs and foreigners for trespass in the courts of Cyprus.

and vica versa

[erolz3]

This is an absurd conclusion. If this was the case then there wouldn't be a need for a ECHR, since all cases could be settled fairly at the local level.

Indeed this is the situation for property in the North. It can be settled via a local remedy. The ECHR only role now is to ensure that hsi local remedy continues to be sufficent to meet the requirments on Turkey with regards to indivduals human rights re property.

Furthermore, when Cyprus is liberated neither the "IPC" nor ECHR will be needed to decide what can be returned and what can not. And until that happens our refugees can be compensated for the loss of use of their properties by suing TCs and foreigners for trespass in the courts of Cyprus.

It is your choice if you wish to wait for some mythical 'liberation' of Cyprus and in the mean time seek what monies you can from trespass cases in the RoC courts against users of property and not Turkey vs gaining back your property now if possible or taking compensation now or later if not. Will you provide the same choice for TC with property in the South ? Every indication is that eventualy you will be forced to do so but you will delay and provaricate as much as possible untill then, much as Turkey has done.

The numbers of people who have settled via the IPC is indeed so far very low compared to those who are eligable to claim, but still significantly higher so far than the number who have taken the route of waiting for 'liberation' whilst seeking monies for trespass in the mean time, which currently stand at 1 person.

[Gasman]

Why don’t you give us a link to this website and direct us to the exact location where it claims that a Greek Cypriot has had their property "returned" in the occupied territory!

I am amazed that anyone who holds such strong views and has so much to say on the subject of GC property in the North and this Immovable Property Commission has never even looked at their website (nor, it seems, even aware that it exists)!

Even without someone 'giving you the link' you could have found it yourself at any time by just googling 'Immovable Property Commission'. It will appear right up at the top of the page.

I'd have thought you'd be checking it daily. Especially if you want to refute any matters relating to it!

[Acikgoz]

GCs have been praying that the EU can not only give them the whole island on a unitary basis, but have Turkey pay for the priviledge.

The whole island belongs to the RoC so what are you on about?

The land is supposed to belong to the "people of Cyprus", not the RoC nor the "GCs" that's why there is a partition now - surely that should be your basis as a pleader of human rights with relation to property.

Pipi, you can sit there and deny TCs suffering as you forced them out of their govt and continued to isolate them even back in the 60s.
Lying cheating GC.

[Malapapa]

Sorry, Malapapa, but this all sounds like complying with the occupier.

He’s really pushing hard with “guarantors” all the time that it makes one wonder where he’s really coming from!

It's the Bonnie and Clyde show again...