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[Oracle]

The RoC has not done anything wrong!

It is not the one occupying another's land.

The RoC is not the one who forced people out of their properties at gunpoint.

So the RoC does not need to set up anything like an IPC. The IPC is the vehicle of Turkey as an occupying force! Not as a legitimate government.

I'd rather the RoC administered the way compensation and restitution was paid out to displaced Cypriots, rather than it be an inadequate vehicle and delay tactic of Turkey.

Why? It's not the official policy of the RoC to permanently deprive people of their homes!

I should think not.

Better if the RoC distanced itself away from these TCs' self-abandoned homes. It's up to the TCs to come back and carry on living in them. They have no reason not to. So why should a government look after someone's vacant home?

The reason it's different for Turkey (as the ECHRs has confirmed) is that they are illegally occupying Cyprus pending a settlement. It's their call! So they have to compensate those they are deliberately, under threat of violence, keeping from their properties. This does not apply to the actions of the RoC!

The RoC and Cypriots must take control of this whole situation in my view or Turkey will delay, obfuscate, wherever possible compensate for rather than restore people's rights to their property. And the process will drag on for years - and then years longer if people choose to appeal to the ECHR. Many won't and will choose to cut their losses. This will suit Turkey but not Cyprus.

No, Malapa, NO! You have missed the whole point.

No. O, NO! Not at all. Owners of property should have the first say as to what is done to it, not Turkey through the IPC. This is the president's position.

Turkey shouldn't be occupying Cyprus, full stop. That it is, and recognised as such through the possession of this IPC (useless as it is), is something we cannot do anything about. It is part of the arsenal; as are the troops and the Settlers and as such ALL are illegal accessories of the occupation. But, just as you cannot deny the presence of the troops (which do not answer to the legitimate RoC President) you cannot deny this IPC (which is not under RoC administration, but Turkish) imposed on us (like the troops) as the victims of this occupation.

I think the next step is to remove this whole package!

[Malapapa]

No. O, NO! Not at all. Owners of property should have the first say as to what is done to it, not Turkey through the IPC. This is the president's position.

Turkey shouldn't be occupying Cyprus, full stop. That it is, and recognised as such through the possession of this IPC (useless as it is), is something we cannot do anything about. It is part of the arsenal; as are the troops and the Settlers and as such ALL are illegal accessories of the occupation. But, just as you cannot deny the presence of the troops (which do not answer to the legitimate RoC President) you cannot deny this IPC (which is not under RoC administration, but Turkish) imposed on us (like the troops) as the victims of this occupation.

I think the next step is to remove this whole package!

Meanwhile, Turkey has had to acknowledge the principle of compensating and (where possible) restoring properties to displaced Cypriots, by way of a local property commission. So I'm saying, the Cypriot government should declare this (Turkish-administered) commission invalid and inappropriate (for obvious reasons - as stated by the ECHR itself), and replace with an island-wide commission, administered locally by Cypriots, to handle all property claims fairly and offer restitution wherever possible, either now or as soon as there's a solution.

I suggest Turkey (and the other two so-called guarantors; plus US, UN, EU and NATO countries - all supposedly desperate for a settlement) pay into a refugee compensation fund to meet all such property claims and help bring about such a settlement.

[Oracle]

No. O, NO! Not at all. Owners of property should have the first say as to what is done to it, not Turkey through the IPC. This is the president's position.

Turkey shouldn't be occupying Cyprus, full stop. That it is, and recognised as such through the possession of this IPC (useless as it is), is something we cannot do anything about. It is part of the arsenal; as are the troops and the Settlers and as such ALL are illegal accessories of the occupation. But, just as you cannot deny the presence of the troops (which do not answer to the legitimate RoC President) you cannot deny this IPC (which is not under RoC administration, but Turkish) imposed on us (like the troops) as the victims of this occupation.

I think the next step is to remove this whole package!

Meanwhile, Turkey has had to acknowledge the principle of compensating and (where possible) restoring properties to displaced Cypriots, by way of a local property commission. So I'm saying, the Cypriot government should declare this (Turkish-administered) commission invalid and inappropriate (for obvious reasons - as stated by the ECHR itself), and replace with an island-wide commission, administered locally by Cypriots, to handle all property claims fairly and offer restitution wherever possible, either now or as soon as there's a solution.

I suggest Turkey (and the other two so-called guarantors; plus US, UN, EU and NATO countries - all supposedly desperate for a settlement) pay into a refugee compensation fund to meet all such property claims and help bring about such a settlement.

Sorry, Malapapa, but this all sounds like complying with the occupier.

[Acikgoz]

Oracle, Get Real, Mala,

Why do you insist on ignoring the obvious - how will RoC compensate Turkish Cypriot claims?

Where is the evidence of the funds to be made available for TCs for land usurped since the 60s!

GCs have been praying that the EU can not only give them the whole island on a unitary basis, but have Turkey pay for the priviledge.

When you accept the RoC illegally usurped the Cyprus constitution and weigh that against your claims can you be taken seriously by people that know the problem better than those you continue to lobby with half-truths and mis-information.

[Piratis]

Oracle, Get Real, Mala,

Why do you insist on ignoring the obvious - how will RoC compensate Turkish Cypriot claims?

Where is the evidence of the funds to be made available for TCs for land usurped since the 60s!

GCs have been praying that the EU can not only give them the whole island on a unitary basis, but have Turkey pay for the priviledge.

When you accept the RoC illegally usurped the Cyprus constitution and weigh that against your claims can you be taken seriously by people that know the problem better than those you continue to lobby with half-truths and mis-information.

Stop the lies Acikgoz. No land was usurped from the TCs.

In June 1958 the TCs started burning the homes and shops and massacuring innocent GCs, and a conflict started which continued in the 60s.

The aim of the Turks from the 50s until today was the partition of Cyprus. To matterialize their aim two things were required: (1) To concentrate the TCs in specific territories, and (2) to ethnically cleanse the GCs from those territories.

Kucuk had proposed the partition of Cyprus in this way from the 50s, and Denktash continued working on it in the 60s. Here is what Denktash said in 1964: "We wish to establish a federal administration in Cyprus. In order to achieve this, it is necessary to move a portion of the Turks from one place to another place and to concentrate our people in certain parts of the island"

Some TC land is used today by GC refugees because you ethnically cleansed them from their own homes.

When you abandon your criminal aim of Turkifying half of Cyprus, and allow all people to return to their own homes (which means GCs will be the majority all over the island again) then this problem will be solved. Until then the blame for this problem lies squarely on you, since it is you who want to change the demographics of the island by criminal means. If it was up to us everybody would have his own land back tomorrow.

[Get Real!]

Why do you insist on ignoring the obvious - how will RoC compensate Turkish Cypriot claims?

The RoC doesn’t need to compensate anyone quite simply because unlike Turkey, the RoC is not occupying anyone’s land or property.

Now, if a “Turkish Cypriot” has found that their property has been used by someone else then they can always approach the Turkish Cypriot properties Management Service to find out how/why etc.

http://www.moi.gov.cy/moi/citizenschart ... enDocument

We must’ve said this a million times by now but some of you are hard at learning.

Where is the evidence of the funds to be made available for TCs for land usurped since the 60s!

Unsurped? Now you're starting to go stupid again...

GCs have been praying that the EU can not only give them the whole island on a unitary basis, but have Turkey pay for the priviledge.

The whole island belongs to the RoC so what are you on about?

When you accept the RoC illegally usurped the Cyprus constitution and weigh that against your claims can you be taken seriously by people that know the problem better than those you continue to lobby with half-truths and mis-information.

And if I don't accept your stupidities what then?

Overall, your post is pretty dumb and demonstrates that if anything it's your brain that was usurped.

[Get Real!]

Sorry, Malapapa, but this all sounds like complying with the occupier.

He’s really pushing hard with “guarantors” all the time that it makes one wonder where he’s really coming from!

[erolz3]

These “mechanisms” you talk about are only good for those who no longer care about owning their property and just want to sell it and cash in!

This is just not true GR. The IPC can and has returned property where it can under its terms of operation. If your property is of a category that can be returned than the IPC will return it. If it is not in that category not only will the IPC not return it but neither will the ECHR.

It’s also worthwhile to mention that this Sofi was living overseas and that’s why the RoC made an exception to the 6 month rule, but I can’t see that exception being granted to Cyprus residents.

Almost certainly the RoC will eventualy ammend its laws to stop denying the rights of TC of this category only (those living abroad in 74). It will continue to deny the rights of other TC to their property until their cases are days from judgment at the ECHR and then it will again try and settle before that judgment is made against the RoC and pledge to change its laws in that regard as well. Sooner or later it will have to stop denying the rights of TC with regard to their property in the South, just has turkey has had to do with regard to GC property in the north. The longer it takes the more compensation will eventualy have to be paid for this denial of TC rights. There is no escape for the RoC with regard to denying the rights of TC to their property in the South, just delaying tactics until the inevtiable, just as has been the case with Turkey and GC property in the North.

[Get Real!]

These “mechanisms” you talk about are only good for those who no longer care about owning their property and just want to sell it and cash in!

This is just not true GR. The IPC can and has returned property where it can under its terms of operation. If your property is of a category that can be returned than the IPC will return it. If it is not in that category not only will the IPC not return it but neither will the ECHR.

You'll have to clarify this Erol with examples because I can't imagine how someone has had their property "returned" in the occupied territory! And what's all this about "categories"??? You have much to disclose here Erol!

It’s also worthwhile to mention that this Sofi was living overseas and that’s why the RoC made an exception to the 6 month rule, but I can’t see that exception being granted to Cyprus residents.

Almost certainly the RoC will eventualy ammend its laws to stop denying the rights of TC of this category only (those living abroad in 74). It will continue to deny the rights of other TC to their property until their cases are days from judgment at the ECHR and then it will again try and settle before that judgment is made against the RoC and pledge to change its laws in that regard as well. Sooner or later it will have to stop denying the rights of TC with regard to their property in the South, just has turkey has had to do with regard to GC property in the north. The longer it takes the more compensation will eventualy have to be paid for this denial of TC rights. There is no escape for the RoC with regard to denying the rights of TC to their property in the South, just delaying tactics until the inevtiable, just as has been the case with Turkey and GC property in the North.

That's your interpretation of it.

It’s most entertaining that Turkey has illegally invaded and occupied 37% of Cyprus and here we are today listening to “Turkish Cypriots” blaming Cyprus of invading and occupying Cyprus!

[erolz3]

The RoC doesn’t need to compensate anyone quite simply because unlike Turkey, the RoC is not occupying anyone’s land or property.

The RoC has denied TC their rights to property by its unjustifed laws requiring residency for 6 months before being able to start the process of gaining back property. It still is. Everyone knows this. Sofi knew it, the ECHR knows it and the RoC knows it which is why they paid compensation to her for this denial of her rights.

Now, if a “Turkish Cypriot” has found that their property has been used by someone else then they can always approach the Turkish Cypriot properties Management Service to find out how/why etc.

First they are required to live in the RoC for 6 months. Then they can start the legal process to obtain their property back. The last case where this happend it took the owner 10 years in RoC courts and cost large amounts and then he eventualy got return but no compensation for denial of use prior to that. No TC with property in the south will do this now. These requirements represent a denail of the property owners rights by the RoC. The RoC has recognised this in regard to TC living abroad in 74. It will eventualy be forced to recognise it for all TC with property in the south. TC in such a case not only have the right to have their property returned or where it can not be compensated for it but also the right to compensation for the RoC denial of their rights to property previously. This is what Sofi got and it was it validly due to all TC with property in the south.