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ECHR Decision, what does it mean?

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Postby Get Real! » Mon Mar 08, 2010 6:00 pm

DTA wrote:
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Solveit wrote:Keep dreaming about your utopian world. You need to take heed of your own forum 'handle' and 'Get Real!'

If I shouldn’t be yearning for international justice then my fellow compatriots from 50 years ago were VERY STUPID for not annihilating the "Turkish Cypriots" when they could've!

Do you see how this comes round and bites you on the bum?


They tried to but they couldnt do it.

You're dead wrong. Even Donktosh was arrested but he was later released when they could've just stuffed a slug up his brainless fat head! In retrospect it was a mistake releasing the fat clown…
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Postby DTA » Mon Mar 08, 2010 6:02 pm

Get Real! wrote:
DTA wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
Solveit wrote:Keep dreaming about your utopian world. You need to take heed of your own forum 'handle' and 'Get Real!'

If I shouldn’t be yearning for international justice then my fellow compatriots from 50 years ago were VERY STUPID for not annihilating the "Turkish Cypriots" when they could've!

Do you see how this comes round and bites you on the bum?


They tried to but they couldnt do it.

You're dead wrong. Even Donktosh was arrested but he was later released when they could've just stuffed a slug up his brainless fat head! In retrospect it was a mistake releasing the fat clown…


The fact that Dentas was released does not mean that the GC did not try to wipe out the TCs did it?
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Postby Jerry » Mon Mar 08, 2010 6:03 pm

This decision of the ECHR has the effect of legalising what Turkey did in 1974. Turkey can now, in effect, buy north Cyprus. Turkey claimed: -

“They noted that restitution would not be feasible in all cases, or immediately, as had been acknowledged in the Annan Plan. There had been considerable land transactions in the northern area over the years and the Convention rights of third parties also had to be protected. The new Law was designed to establish a fair balance between these conflicting rights. Providing for restitution without regard to the present occupants might also endanger public order and peace in both communities on the island”
And the ECHR agreed: - “Yet it would be unrealistic to expect that as a result of these cases the Court should, or could, directly order the Turkish Government to ensure that these applicants obtain access to, and full possession of, their properties, irrespective of who is now living there or whether the property is allegedly in a militarily sensitive zone or used for vital public purposes.”

This means that the carpetbaggers and illegal immigrants have little or no fear of losing “their property”. Turkey’s waiting game has paid off. The EHCR has totally accepted the proposals of the IPC; there is not one instance in the entire judgment where it questions IPC proposals.

It gets worse, applications to the IPC have to be submitted by 21st December 2011, there is no mention as to whether this deadline will ever be, or the ECHR expects it to be, extended. Applicants who refuse the decision of the IPC cannot then go to the ECHR until they have exhausted all local remedies – that means an appeal to the “High Administrative Court” of the “trnc”. Such an appeal could involve additional cost, take years and almost certainly deliver an unfavourable verdict.

As Bill has said the UK (and presumably other EU members) are obliged to enforce the judgments of member States but we have yet to see the outcome of the Orams appeal to the ECHR regarding the fairness of the ROC trial. Another Apostolides type win (Weedons ?) could counter the effects of this ECHR judgment but Candounas made it quite clear that the biggest problem with bringing cases against the likes of Orams was identifying defendants that had EU assets in the first place. The easiest path to follow is the IPC for a mere 100Turkish Lira instead of thousands of £s in lawyer fees.

I believe that, unfettered by the realistic threat of litigation and with Turkey picking up the tab, the first noticeable effect of this judgment will be increased activity and prices of the sale of our property in the north. This will cause much resentment amongst GCs with the result that inter-communal relations and contacts will deteriorate. One of the CY44 carpetbaggers has already warned his fellow thieves to take care in the ROC from now on.

This decision has made me very angry, it legalises the theft of land. I see it as a punishment for the actions of a few dozen fascists (from both sides). It’s international injustices like this that spawned the PLO and Al Qaeda. If Cypriots were as poor as the Palestinians in Gaza, with little or nothing to lose, this ECHR decision could have been the starting pistol for another international terrorist movement. If I were a few years younger I’d join “EOKA C” tomorrow.
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Postby Get Real! » Mon Mar 08, 2010 6:06 pm

DTA wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
DTA wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
Solveit wrote:Keep dreaming about your utopian world. You need to take heed of your own forum 'handle' and 'Get Real!'

If I shouldn’t be yearning for international justice then my fellow compatriots from 50 years ago were VERY STUPID for not annihilating the "Turkish Cypriots" when they could've!

Do you see how this comes round and bites you on the bum?


They tried to but they couldnt do it.

You're dead wrong. Even Donktosh was arrested but he was later released when they could've just stuffed a slug up his brainless fat head! In retrospect it was a mistake releasing the fat clown…


The fact that Dentas was released does not mean that the GC did not try to wipe out the TCs did it?

Rubbish! Their aim was always to contain the TCs not wipe them out.
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Postby Piratis » Mon Mar 08, 2010 6:08 pm

DTA wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
DTA wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
Solveit wrote:Keep dreaming about your utopian world. You need to take heed of your own forum 'handle' and 'Get Real!'

If I shouldn’t be yearning for international justice then my fellow compatriots from 50 years ago were VERY STUPID for not annihilating the "Turkish Cypriots" when they could've!

Do you see how this comes round and bites you on the bum?


They tried to but they couldnt do it.

You're dead wrong. Even Donktosh was arrested but he was later released when they could've just stuffed a slug up his brainless fat head! In retrospect it was a mistake releasing the fat clown…


The fact that Dentas was released does not mean that the GC did not try to wipe out the TCs did it?


And what shows that?

All evidence shows that it is the Turks who tried to wipe out the Cypriot people. In their first invasion they killed over 20.000 Cypriots, and during the occupation that followed the Cypriot population was further reduced by mane more 1000s (who were replaced with Turkish Settlers)

With the second invasion in 1974 the Turks killed 1000s and ethnically cleansed 100s of thousands of Cypriots.

So these are the facts of what actually happened, not your imaginary theories and lame excuses.
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Postby EricSeans » Mon Mar 08, 2010 6:14 pm

paliometoxo wrote:
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paliometoxo wrote:some fresh tc blood with hatred for gcs? we tried to killl them off and they did nothing wrong and the rest of it?


I dont think that the majority of the outsiders and onlookers have hate for the GC's more a case of pity really Pity that a tribe of proffessional victims could live in such an insular, truth dodging, state of permanent denial. You sit on your self generated moral high ground spouting crap and through blatant acts of childish petulance get all the big boys to do your dirty work. Anyone caught even talking to the unholy North is met with tantrums and and tears with you waving your big EU stick around but only from behind your mummy's apron strings.
Time to wise up now the world has tired of your games and inflexible attitude to comprimise. They have seen how you have continued to behave in this changing world and how you have held on to your arrogant and petulant attitude. The message from club EU is clear get it sorted we are bored with you and you are not important, and whilst you try to convince yourself this ruling is not important let me remind you how your ruling party regards it

"THE government and all political parties yesterday expressed their deep disappointment over the European Court of Human Rights’ decision to recognise the Immovable Property Commission (IPC) in the occupied areas as an effective domestic remedy of Turkey"

In closing it makes me laugh so much to hear you blame the Fatherland for the finacial woes of the Greeks not their lasy ways and the lies they told to get into the EU. Always somebodies elses fault!!!


i thought he was a tc, i guess i was wrong, sure does talk like a hard liner turk or maybe tc though..

so if hes a foreigner hes listened to lots of hard liner tc or turk stories and made up his mind about gcs


Palio, check out some of the posters on CY44. They come out with garbage like that having funded their ill-gotten gains through the sale of elderly relative's ex-council houses in Essex and the like. Their version of history and political analysis is a mixture of what the estate agents in Kyrenia told them and propaganda from their low-life buddies. They care more about their war booty than the ordinary Turkish Cypriots. They live in a moral vacuum and represent the worst type of Brit.
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Postby Malapapa » Mon Mar 08, 2010 6:16 pm

Gasman wrote:Seems to me that the EU, the ECJ, the ECHR, and any other super powers are sick to the back teeth of the 'Cyprus Problem' and seem to be telling them to 'sort it out between themselves'.

If they cannot agree about the 'property' how the hell can they come to any arrangement acceptable to both about the whole solution?

I very much doubt that any international court wants to be faced with dealing with these tens of thousands of property cases. I'd go so far as to say they probably consider they have much more important stuff to deal with.


Would you consider this, if it was your rights that had been violated, for 35 years?
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Postby DTA » Mon Mar 08, 2010 6:21 pm

Piratis wrote:
DTA wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
DTA wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
Solveit wrote:Keep dreaming about your utopian world. You need to take heed of your own forum 'handle' and 'Get Real!'

If I shouldn’t be yearning for international justice then my fellow compatriots from 50 years ago were VERY STUPID for not annihilating the "Turkish Cypriots" when they could've!

Do you see how this comes round and bites you on the bum?


They tried to but they couldnt do it.

You're dead wrong. Even Donktosh was arrested but he was later released when they could've just stuffed a slug up his brainless fat head! In retrospect it was a mistake releasing the fat clown…


The fact that Dentas was released does not mean that the GC did not try to wipe out the TCs did it?


And what shows that?



I deleted most of your post because it is not relevant to what we are talking about (see context that GR said)

To answer your question here are just five examples:

1.The murdering and complete wiping out of entire TC villages
2.The frequent attacks on TC enclaves.
3.The Iphidos plan (although in fairness I have never seen the document)
4 Nico Sampson admission that if it was not for the Turkish army, he would have wiped out all the Tc from the island.
5. numerous third party accounts of GC killing innocent (non combative) Tcs

That should be enough for you to get along with.
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Postby Acikgoz » Mon Mar 08, 2010 6:40 pm

Most intereting from this case is that it is the first time we are seeing a true thought to the negotiations.

The involved and knowledgeable were aware that without a push to the GC side the negotiations would amount to nothing. I believe things on the negotiations will now move rather rapidly.

RoC is now being called up on its position as the stalking horse for the EU. If the RoC want's a solution that is Federal, that will allow the impediment to Turkey entering the EU, then they will have to cease the opportunity. If they want to hold off then seccession will be the obvious outcome. The terms of the seccession will no doubt be tempered by the terms of Turkey's path towards Europe.

It is effectively put-up or shut-up time. I see a referendum in the not too distant future.

Personally I am really disappointed by the treat of war that some GCs are advocating. Do they really hold a piece of soil more valuable than the lives of innocent people? We had war before with blood on the hands of all parties.
I am happy to see the Turkish Cypriots, even after the Orams decision, never came out with such inhumane views.
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Postby B25 » Mon Mar 08, 2010 6:53 pm

Acikgoz wrote:Most intereting from this case is that it is the first time we are seeing a true thought to the negotiations.

The involved and knowledgeable were aware that without a push to the GC side the negotiations would amount to nothing. I believe things on the negotiations will now move rather rapidly.

RoC is now being called up on its position as the stalking horse for the EU. If the RoC want's a solution that is Federal, that will allow the impediment to Turkey entering the EU, then they will have to cease the opportunity. If they want to hold off then seccession will be the obvious outcome. The terms of the seccession will no doubt be tempered by the terms of Turkey's path towards Europe.

It is effectively put-up or shut-up time. I see a referendum in the not too distant future.

Personally I am really disappointed by the treat of war that some GCs are advocating. Do they really hold a piece of soil more valuable than the lives of innocent people? We had war before with blood on the hands of all parties.
I am happy to see the Turkish Cypriots, even after the Orams decision, never came out with such inhumane views.


we may think amd wish it, but you guys actually do it. Thats why we are at war, technically speaking.

Who invaded who here??? You need to get your facts right mate.

The ECHR has messed up big time and between them and the ECJ they have just about made the whole of the EU system a laughing stock with no one to take them seriously.

I guess higher powers were at play here, after all we can be seen to be upsetting the F invader can we??
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