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[vaughanwilliams]

You’d be hard pressed to find any GCs these days who believe that TCs have good intentions for Cyprus other than the Turkification of it!

The solution is a military one and no matter how much my compatriots may dread it, in time the will all realize that it’s the only option that will yield the desirable results for the indigenous Cypriots.

At the outbreak of war, most if not all illegal Turkish settlers will flee like roaches running from pesticide, thus solving the illegal settler issue. A considerable number of “Turkish Cypriots” will also have to abandon Cyprus as there is no way the already bankrupt “TRNC” can ever recover itself after the first week or two of infrastructure damage as they have zero reserves unlike the RoC. The “TRNC” entity will not survive a war forever putting an end to TC aspirations of a separate state… not that many will stick around to ever ask for one again!

After a war with Cyprus, Turkey’s chances of ever joining the EU will be gone forever and Europe will no longer be able to look at Turkey in the same light again for decades to come.

The RoC can give and take punishment for 2-3 months and that’s plenty of time to alter the current foul Cyprus demographics and geopolitics.

The UN SC will have no option this time but to issue binding resolutions and/or treaties settling the CyProb once and for all thus saving the Cypriot nation from Turkish strangulation.

The Turkification of Cyprus (the REAL Cyprus problem) will be completely thwarted within a month or two or for the duration of the war, and the price for all that would be infrastructure damage and thousands of casualties… all of which can be replenished within 10-15 years, which is a very small price to pay considering what avoidance of war will bring to Cyprus!

Wow, unbelievable!!!!! I cannot believe this guy lol. I take it you'll be starting to recruit for EOKA C and lining up the tanks as we speak. You are a very sad person.

What is much more unbelievable is how Turkey is still to this day, occupying sovereign RoC and EU territory.

Yep, the RoC is under occupation, which means that the RoC is at war.

So blame Turkey for this sad situation, because last time I checked, GR! never harmed anyone with his words, but Turkish troops are preventing him from returning to his village and ancestral home - a war crime against him and his family!

It is you that is a sad person, for not understanding the immense pain Turkey has subjected him to!

"What is much more unbelievable is how Turkey is still to this day, occupying sovereign RoC and EU territory."

You are right, it is "unbelievable".
Care to hazard a guess why your EU hasn't done anything about it, other than making futile statements about the situation?
And this is the organization you want to give the TCs the guarantee that TR currently gives them? If they can't help you, how could they help the TCs once you lads start showing your true intentions?

[Get Real!]

Somehow the international community vindicates RoC and the blame falls squarely on TR.

For you info, there are UN resolutions fully justifying a Cypriot liberation operation.

Hands up everyone who thinks this man needs serious help.

Thwarting your malicious intentions for Cyprus should upset you...

[miltiades]

You’d be hard pressed to find any GCs these days who believe that TCs have good intentions for Cyprus other than the Turkification of it!

The solution is a military one and no matter how much my compatriots may dread it, in time the will all realize that it’s the only option that will yield the desirable results for the indigenous Cypriots.

At the outbreak of war, most if not all illegal Turkish settlers will flee like roaches running from pesticide, thus solving the illegal settler issue. A considerable number of “Turkish Cypriots” will also have to abandon Cyprus as there is no way the already bankrupt “TRNC” can ever recover itself after the first week or two of infrastructure damage as they have zero reserves unlike the RoC. The “TRNC” entity will not survive a war forever putting an end to TC aspirations of a separate state… not that many will stick around to ever ask for one again!

After a war with Cyprus, Turkey’s chances of ever joining the EU will be gone forever and Europe will no longer be able to look at Turkey in the same light again for decades to come.

The RoC can give and take punishment for 2-3 months and that’s plenty of time to alter the current foul Cyprus demographics and geopolitics.

The UN SC will have no option this time but to issue binding resolutions and/or treaties settling the CyProb once and for all thus saving the Cypriot nation from Turkish strangulation.

The Turkification of Cyprus (the REAL Cyprus problem) will be completely thwarted within a month or two or for the duration of the war, and the price for all that would be infrastructure damage and thousands of casualties… all of which can be replenished within 10-15 years, which is a very small price to pay considering what avoidance of war will bring to Cyprus!

Wow, unbelievable!!!!! I cannot believe this guy lol. I take it you'll be starting to recruit for EOKA C and lining up the tanks as we speak. You are a very sad person.

I have made my aspiration very clear... it is to save the Cypriot nation (MY NATION) from the certain Turkish strangulation, otherwise known as the Turkification of Cyprus.

Now let’s hear YOUR aspiration and how it all fits with Turkey’s illegal policy against Cyprus…

I wonder how many other Cypriots support your stupid ideas !!!
You are a nutter mate , not a bloody Cypriot at all but a first class nutter !!
How many thousands do you say will be killed and dismissively you go on to say ....they can be replenished in a few years.
GR , you are a bigger fool than I took you for. Does anyone else on this forum support this idiots assertion that war is the only option ?
What a Plonker !

[Paphitis]

You’d be hard pressed to find any GCs these days who believe that TCs have good intentions for Cyprus other than the Turkification of it!

The solution is a military one and no matter how much my compatriots may dread it, in time the will all realize that it’s the only option that will yield the desirable results for the indigenous Cypriots.

At the outbreak of war, most if not all illegal Turkish settlers will flee like roaches running from pesticide, thus solving the illegal settler issue. A considerable number of “Turkish Cypriots” will also have to abandon Cyprus as there is no way the already bankrupt “TRNC” can ever recover itself after the first week or two of infrastructure damage as they have zero reserves unlike the RoC. The “TRNC” entity will not survive a war forever putting an end to TC aspirations of a separate state… not that many will stick around to ever ask for one again!

After a war with Cyprus, Turkey’s chances of ever joining the EU will be gone forever and Europe will no longer be able to look at Turkey in the same light again for decades to come.

The RoC can give and take punishment for 2-3 months and that’s plenty of time to alter the current foul Cyprus demographics and geopolitics.

The UN SC will have no option this time but to issue binding resolutions and/or treaties settling the CyProb once and for all thus saving the Cypriot nation from Turkish strangulation.

The Turkification of Cyprus (the REAL Cyprus problem) will be completely thwarted within a month or two or for the duration of the war, and the price for all that would be infrastructure damage and thousands of casualties… all of which can be replenished within 10-15 years, which is a very small price to pay considering what avoidance of war will bring to Cyprus!

Wow, unbelievable!!!!! I cannot believe this guy lol. I take it you'll be starting to recruit for EOKA C and lining up the tanks as we speak. You are a very sad person.

What is much more unbelievable is how Turkey is still to this day, occupying sovereign RoC and EU territory.

Yep, the RoC is under occupation, which means that the RoC is at war.

So blame Turkey for this sad situation, because last time I checked, GR! never harmed anyone with his words, but Turkish troops are preventing him from returning to his village and ancestral home - a war crime against him and his family!

It is you that is a sad person, for not understanding the immense pain Turkey has subjected him to!

"What is much more unbelievable is how Turkey is still to this day, occupying sovereign RoC and EU territory."

You are right, it is "unbelievable".
Care to hazard a guess why your EU hasn't done anything about it, other than making futile statements about the situation?
And this is the organization you want to give the TCs the guarantee that TR currently gives them? If they can't help you, how could they help the TCs once you lads start showing your true intentions?

It is not entirely true that the EU has done absolutely nothing about it so far.

Chapters have been frozen, which means that Turkey's EU accession is on hold, thanks to the RoC's veto.

That is quite enough at this stage.

As for Turkey's Treaty of Guarantee, you will need to understand that GCs will never be able to live with such a thing hanging over their heads, because that would be very insensitive to their very own security concerns considering the fact that this "Guarantee" has resulted in many being ethnically cleansed, raped, tortured and killed. Turkey's intentions with regards to Cyprus are most insincere, whereas the GCs are a peaceful lot who just want to return back to the homes they were evicted from. They want their land back, which you stole and plundered!

[vaughanwilliams]

Somehow the international community vindicates RoC and the blame falls squarely on TR.

For you info, there are UN resolutions fully justifying a Cypriot liberation operation.

Hands up everyone who thinks this man needs serious help.

Thwarting your malicious intentions for Cyprus should upset you...

I'd love to read even one of them. They may justify nearly everything, including the kitchen sink, but war?
Get some therapy, mate.

[Paphitis]

Somehow the international community vindicates RoC and the blame falls squarely on TR.

For you info, there are UN resolutions fully justifying a Cypriot liberation operation.

Hands up everyone who thinks this man needs serious help.

Thwarting your malicious intentions for Cyprus should upset you...

I'd love to read even one of them. They may justify nearly everything, including the kitchen sink, but war?
Get some therapy, mate.

The war is already under way. Turkey bought it to our shores with its invasion in 74!

[vaughanwilliams]

You’d be hard pressed to find any GCs these days who believe that TCs have good intentions for Cyprus other than the Turkification of it!

The solution is a military one and no matter how much my compatriots may dread it, in time the will all realize that it’s the only option that will yield the desirable results for the indigenous Cypriots.

At the outbreak of war, most if not all illegal Turkish settlers will flee like roaches running from pesticide, thus solving the illegal settler issue. A considerable number of “Turkish Cypriots” will also have to abandon Cyprus as there is no way the already bankrupt “TRNC” can ever recover itself after the first week or two of infrastructure damage as they have zero reserves unlike the RoC. The “TRNC” entity will not survive a war forever putting an end to TC aspirations of a separate state… not that many will stick around to ever ask for one again!

After a war with Cyprus, Turkey’s chances of ever joining the EU will be gone forever and Europe will no longer be able to look at Turkey in the same light again for decades to come.

The RoC can give and take punishment for 2-3 months and that’s plenty of time to alter the current foul Cyprus demographics and geopolitics.

The UN SC will have no option this time but to issue binding resolutions and/or treaties settling the CyProb once and for all thus saving the Cypriot nation from Turkish strangulation.

The Turkification of Cyprus (the REAL Cyprus problem) will be completely thwarted within a month or two or for the duration of the war, and the price for all that would be infrastructure damage and thousands of casualties… all of which can be replenished within 10-15 years, which is a very small price to pay considering what avoidance of war will bring to Cyprus!

Wow, unbelievable!!!!! I cannot believe this guy lol. I take it you'll be starting to recruit for EOKA C and lining up the tanks as we speak. You are a very sad person.

What is much more unbelievable is how Turkey is still to this day, occupying sovereign RoC and EU territory.

Yep, the RoC is under occupation, which means that the RoC is at war.

So blame Turkey for this sad situation, because last time I checked, GR! never harmed anyone with his words, but Turkish troops are preventing him from returning to his village and ancestral home - a war crime against him and his family!

It is you that is a sad person, for not understanding the immense pain Turkey has subjected him to!

"What is much more unbelievable is how Turkey is still to this day, occupying sovereign RoC and EU territory."

You are right, it is "unbelievable".
Care to hazard a guess why your EU hasn't done anything about it, other than making futile statements about the situation?
And this is the organization you want to give the TCs the guarantee that TR currently gives them? If they can't help you, how could they help the TCs once you lads start showing your true intentions?

It is not entirely true that the EU has done absolutely nothing about it so far.

Chapters have been frozen, which means that Turkey's EU accession is on hold, thanks to the RoC's veto.

That is quite enough at this stage.

As for Turkey's Treaty of Guarantee, you will need to understand that GCs will never be able to live with such a thing hanging over their heads, because that would be very insensitive to their very own security concerns considering the fact that this "Guarantee" has resulted in many being ethnically cleansed, raped, tortured and killed. Turkey's intentions with regards to Cyprus are most insincere, whereas the GCs are a peaceful lot who just want to return back to the homes they were evicted from. They want their land back, which you stole and plundered!

Freezing of chapters comes under futile statements, in my book.
TR intervened in 1974. What did EU do then? Zip.
You joined EU in 2004. What did EU do then? Zip.

The TCs don't need TR to guarantee the status quo in the whole of Cyprus, just the bit they live in would do.

BTW - I never stole nor plundered anybodys land, old lad.

[Kikapu]

Kifeas of course the RoC remains the sole legitimate government of all of cyprus to everyone except Turkey, however unjust that may actually be and regardless of how much the default gratning of that recongition from the 64 UN resolution has actualy exasperated the problems in Cyprus from that period. Of course the RoC can have and does have laws re tresspass and the ECHR will not deny it the right to have such. However I am still of the view that there are aspects of the these types of cases that impinge on any other form of redress, like the IPC. The issue of 'double dipping' - is seeking to gain redress for loss of use on a single propterty and a given time period twice, is one area where these two different 'routes' inevitiably 'touch'.

I know you view is that 'fair' monetary compensation should not be market value at the time compensation is agreed, but on a value much higher based on what the value might be if there had been no conflict on the island or if the land was in the south. I know this is your view but I think it is totaly unrealistic. On a pratical level and on a fairness level. If you want compensation now, then you have to accept to take it todays market prices. If you believe that in some future period of time its value will be susbstatinaly greater, then fine wait until that time and then seek your compensation. To say that you want comensation today at the price the commindity may be worth in the future that is speculatively considerbaly higher is just unrealistic.

The fact is today like for like property in the north is worth less than the equivalent in the south, as determined by market forces. The IPC is setteling cases today, at todays prices for those that wish to do so. The point is therefore that today whilst the amount of 'lost' land post 74 between GC and TC in area is a difference of x %, the value of that land in monetary terms is less than x% because like for like land in the north is less valuable today than in the south.

All in all, what you say is accurate, Erol, as far as value of property today in the north vs. property values in the south. I believe this alone will deter many GCs from applying to the IPC to get ONLY compensation but instead, they would be more inclined to apply to get their land back. If the north had intentions of buying the GCs land Dönüm by Dönüm in order to try and make the north strictly a "Turkish Land" through purchase alone, then they will fail to do so since what they will offer for the GC land will not be to the expectation of the GC owners, hence they will refuse such an offer in general, specially on today's values in the north. The GCs may in fact offer to buy more land belonging to the TCs in the north if it were allowed. The IPC cannot force the GCs to accept compensation ONLY and neither is the ECHR. If then their land is not returned as demanded, then they can once again

a) flood the ECHR courts for the return of their land from Turkey

or

b) go through the RoC courts to claim compensation from present users of their land in the north, regardless of who they may be, TCs of foreigners, and if they should be the TCs with land in the south, then look for the RoC courts to allow the maximum payment awards made to the GCs, in which case, the RoC may do a "forced sale" of the more valued TC properties in the south to compensate high awards made to the GCs.

You will find, that this decision by the ECHR will make the GCs less compassionate about not using the Orams ruling on the TCs as they may once thought to only use it against the foreigners, specially if the talks should fail, in which case, the more Turkey and the TCs would insist on guarantorship which would block any settlement, the more the GCs will be emboldened to get compensation from the already TCs properties in the south through the RoC courts. I would advice the TCs not to celebrate too much on this ECHR decision as being a victory for the north, because it is not really, since the GCs are not forced to recognise the present occupiers of their properties in the north as the legitimate owners, but that their (present occupiers) situation would also needs to be looked at withing the ECHR, but the RoC courts and the legal government does not need to follow the ECHR in the event of a settlement, which then, all the laws would rest with the Federal government along with the north and south state governments.

[Get Real!]

Somehow the international community vindicates RoC and the blame falls squarely on TR.

For you info, there are UN resolutions fully justifying a Cypriot liberation operation.

Hands up everyone who thinks this man needs serious help.

Thwarting your malicious intentions for Cyprus should upset you...

I'd love to read even one of them. They may justify nearly everything, including the kitchen sink, but war?
Get some therapy, mate.

You must be very stupid! Cyprus is a sovereign UN member state and as such has the right to self defense and the execution of UN resolution 353...

1.Calls upon all States to respect the sovereignty, independence and territorial integrity of Cyprus.

3.Demands an immediate end to foreign military intervention in the Republic of Cyprus…

4. Requests the withdrawal without delay from the Republic of Cyprus of foreign military personnel present…

http://www.un.int/cyprus/scr353.htm

Now you tell us where YOUR country (Britain I assume) attained the right to invade Iraq lying thousands of miles away from British shores!

[vaughanwilliams]

Somehow the international community vindicates RoC and the blame falls squarely on TR.

For you info, there are UN resolutions fully justifying a Cypriot liberation operation.

Hands up everyone who thinks this man needs serious help.

Thwarting your malicious intentions for Cyprus should upset you...

I'd love to read even one of them. They may justify nearly everything, including the kitchen sink, but war?
Get some therapy, mate.

The war is already under way. Turkey bought it to our shores with its invasion in 74!

Only in as much as there is a condition of cease-fire since 1974. If you want to kick it off again, I wouldn't want to be in your shoes. The EU/UN would let you make absolute twats of yourself while TR took you to the f*cking cleaners.